Hebert19 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 First off. It's not a real rebuild...but I mean do we need major changes. Josh will get us in playoffs by himself so nothing is a real rebuild. I think it's a "rebuild " 1. Poyer goes 2. Do not extend Oliver. Let him earn it. 3. Cut or trade brown. He is terrible. 4. Franchise Edmunds. 5. Fire dorsey promote Brady. 6. Fire Frasier. 7. Let Singletary walk 8. Trade tre? This one I'm not sold on but in a different D I'd like to see benford and Elam. 9. Draft oline 10. Draft wr 11. Draft safety 12. Trade diggs? Again. This one is debatable but I think everything needs to be on table. 13. Re sign bease if he wants to come back. 14. Cut McKenzie. Seems like a rebuild. While making playoffs. 3 3 1 1 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trock Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) These all sound reasonable. I’d keep Diggs though unless he continues his constant complaining. Edited January 23, 2023 by Trock 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 I don’t want Edmunds and certainly not for the money a tag would cost. I’ll replace him with a 1st or 2nd round pick and the new physical face of my defense going forward 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Yeah it’s sort of a rebuild. Probably not popular but I think you may try to keep Motor for cheap if possible so that you don’t have another gaping hole. Serviceable is better than the mess we have at both lines and safety. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Hebert19 said: First off. It's not a real rebuild...but I mean do we need major changes. Josh will get us in playoffs by himself so nothing is a real rebuild. I think it's a "rebuild " 1. Poyer goes - Agree 2. Do not extend Oliver. Let him earn it. 3. Cut or trade brown. He is terrible. 4. Franchise Edmunds. 5. Fire dorsey promote Brady. 6. Fire Frasier. 7. Let Singletary walk 8. Trade tre? This one I'm not sold on but in a different D I'd like to see benford and Elam. 9. Draft oline 10. Draft wr 11. Draft safety 12. Trade diggs? Again. This one is debatable but I think everything needs to be on table. 13. Re sign bease if he wants to come back. 14. Cut McKenzie. Seems like a rebuild. While making playoffs. 1. agree 2. sure 3. Sure 4. No 5. Yep 6. Sure - It’s McD Defense though 7. yep 8. No 9. YES should have been doing this forever 10. YES see 9. 11. Sure after 3rd round 12. No 13. HELL NO 14. Sure my comments to your numbered list. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: I don’t want Edmunds and certainly not for the money a tag would cost. I’ll replace him with a 1st or 2nd round pick and the new physical face of my defense going forward Oh god. If we draft defense in the first round again, the servers for this forum are going to explode like the Death Star. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: 7. Let Singletary walk I like Singletary as a complementary RB but Cook is also complementary at best. It’s probably easier to replace what Singletary brings, he’s too small to consistently be a 1st/2nd down back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Rebuild? Cmon. This team is a few adjustments away from being a championship team 1 1 1 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Just now, Roundybout said: Oh god. If we draft defense in the first round again, the servers for this forum are going to explode like the Death Star. Got to fix it. The defense has been horrible all season. Needs to get fixed. Idgaf what we did in the 2020 draft…if you don’t have the thing right, you can’t just stop trying. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 It’s a “try again”. We had A LOT working against us this year. Beane will make some moves over the off season and reload for another shot next season. 2 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 It's a re tool This team and coaching staff I believe will look different for the first time in a while Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 10 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: First off. It's not a real rebuild...but I mean do we need major changes. Josh will get us in playoffs by himself so nothing is a real rebuild. I think it's a "rebuild " 1. Poyer goes 2. Do not extend Oliver. Let him earn it. 3. Cut or trade brown. He is terrible. 4. Franchise Edmunds. 5. Fire dorsey promote Brady. 6. Fire Frasier. 7. Let Singletary walk 8. Trade tre? This one I'm not sold on but in a different D I'd like to see benford and Elam. 9. Draft oline 10. Draft wr 11. Draft safety 12. Trade diggs? Again. This one is debatable but I think everything needs to be on table. 13. Re sign bease if he wants to come back. 14. Cut McKenzie. Seems like a rebuild. While making playoffs. Jesus Christ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 after today it’s hard to argue the team is just a few pieces away from these top tier teams. It’s disappointing but they need a significant reboot, and they need to look long and hard at some of the big contracts and if those guys are living up to them. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Rebuild? LOL 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schoolhouserock Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 I wonder what Morse is thinking. have to consider the potential for him to call it a career. That would be a huge hit to an already weak O-line. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 They need a big time retool. The leaders on this team are going to look really different next year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) We need a new interior O line. Boettger could help. Bates may be better at C. But we need significant upgrades either through FA or draft. Let Kromer tell you who he needs. Edited January 23, 2023 by oldmanfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 16 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: First off. It's not a real rebuild...but I mean do we need major changes. Josh will get us in playoffs by himself so nothing is a real rebuild. I think it's a "rebuild " 1. Poyer goes 2. Do not extend Oliver. Let him earn it. 3. Cut or trade brown. He is terrible. 4. Franchise Edmunds. 5. Fire dorsey promote Brady. 6. Fire Frasier. 7. Let Singletary walk 8. Trade tre? This one I'm not sold on but in a different D I'd like to see benford and Elam. 9. Draft oline 10. Draft wr 11. Draft safety 12. Trade diggs? Again. This one is debatable but I think everything needs to be on table. 13. Re sign bease if he wants to come back. 14. Cut McKenzie. Seems like a rebuild. While making playoffs. This sounds crazy to me. Check out our record over the last 3 years. We don't need, and will not have, a "Rebuild." We'll have plenty of tweaks but all teams do from year to year. The "Super Bowl Era Bills" were nothing close to the same rosters year to year to year. There will be changes and some changes need to be made. I'm in favor of replacing either or both coordinators; I think both are easy upgrades...but we probably won't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) Another year like this and Josh will be putting his house up for sale. He’s not gonna stick around for this. He should have a list of demands and if they aren’t met, hit the road after next season. He doesn’t owe us anything. Edited January 23, 2023 by Governor 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 New D coordinator, re-sign Edmunds while getting younger on D, spend all extra money on offensive talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalftimeAdjustment Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 It's a bit of a rebuild I am afraid. We have needs at almost every position. Here are our core players (excl ST): Allen Diggs Dawkins Morse (if he keeps playing) Knox Rousseau Milano Hyde (if he recovers fully) We have a few areas where we are OK with potential like RB, and Taron Johnson at slot CB. Elam hopefully continues to improve. The rest of the team is up for competition. That is too many holes to fill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Not a rebuild but you could say a major tweak is necessary For coaches: Fire Frazier and Dorsey. Both are not good enough Players: Deep assessment on Poyer and White, If they are both done (as it has appeared lately) then cut Cut Brown, Singletary last chance to Oliver, Davis Dont touch Diggs, dont even think about it. Draft Oline, trade for oline, Sign Oline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurlyBurly51 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Nextmanup said: I'm in favor of replacing either or both coordinators; I think both are easy upgrades...but we probably won't. Frazier should’ve been gone after 13 seconds, a year too late and it cost us today 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Ballin Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Screw Cole Beasley. Shoot his butt out of here. He's no difference maker. We were just desperate in signing him, but he doesn't change the needle in anyway. His best years are well passed him. Beasley got his 1 TD to get his closure in Buffalo. Let him go. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvbillsfan Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Just reload Draft offense early I’d prefer oline but I get wr And please keep Diggs. Just throw him the dang ball consistently. He’s a monster. I’d prefer a new defensive coordinator. Frazier is ok but we can’t keep getting gashed but upper tier teams when we invest so heavily in athletes on the defensive side Let those guys be animals. We use a first round pick on a corner who flashed all season and we don’t say “Hey go get in Chase’s grill” Thats on coaching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, Bandito said: What adjustments? I agree they aren't a horrible team but they really aren't capitalizing on their window. The NFL = Not For Long Look at the Titans. Their window is closed and they made the AFC title game two years ago. The Bills window isn't closed but it is close to it Take a long hard look at offensive and defensive play calling and decide whether it can be fixed with the current coaches or if it's time for a change (I'm pretty certain they'll do this anyway). Go heavy offense in the draft, o line and wr's. Re sign veteran players at reasonable cost if possible. Case and point, this team doesnt need a massive overhaul. There is a ton of talent on this team. They just need some upgrades, and maybe some upgrades on the coaching staff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Cap says it’s try again. 3 minutes ago, Governor said: Another year like this and Josh will be putting his house up for sale. He’s not gonna stick around for this. He should have a list of demands and if they aren’t met, hit the road after next season. He doesn’t owe us anything. He hasn’t completed building it yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoudyBills Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 12 minutes ago, Bandito said: What adjustments? I agree they aren't a horrible team but they really aren't capitalizing on their window. The NFL = Not For Long Look at the Titans. Their window is closed and they made the AFC title game two years ago. The Bills window isn't closed but it is close to it I would argue the Bengals just slammed it shut. The Bills are going to have to fight for the AFCE for the foreseeable future let alone a superbowl. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnycage46 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 19 minutes ago, Steptide said: Rebuild? Cmon. This team is a few adjustments away from being a championship team If by few you mean completely new offensive and defensive lines, new safeties, better corners, an actual pass rusher, a new/better OC, a change in conservative/scared defensive philosophy, 3 new WRs...then I totally agree with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 25 minutes ago, Trock said: These all sound reasonable. I’d keep Diggs though unless he continues his constant complaining. Or listen to his complaints and solve the problems he is pointing out. Just now, Johnnycage46 said: If by few you mean completely new offensive and defensive lines, new safeties, better corners, an actual pass rusher, a new/better OC, a change in conservative/scared defensive philosophy, 3 new WRs...then I totally agree with you. we made the final 8 last year and the final 8 this year. Among the final 8 teams we are not the youngest, and we have the worst salary cap situation. We are not a couple of tweaks away. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauleeeWalnuts Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 I think we are closer to a rebuild than a championship. They’ve had the door shut on them the last three seasons, all while regressing each year. Hard to face reality but I think they blew their shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 19 minutes ago, Steptide said: Rebuild? Cmon. This team is a few adjustments away from being a championship team bought that three years ago, and two years ago and last year… eventually you need enough self awareness to realize something bigger needs to change. how many bills would’ve started for that cinci team today? They were better at almost every position. Maybe punter? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Johnnycage46 said: If by few you mean completely new offensive and defensive lines, new safeties, better corners, an actual pass rusher, a new/better OC, a change in conservative/scared defensive philosophy, 3 new WRs...then I totally agree with you. Yes, yes and yes? Though I don't agree we need 3 new wr's. We need a solid number 2. Diggs, a solid 2, Davis and Shakir and maybe a veteran. And we need Hyde back with a better safety, or Poyer if we can re sign him Edited January 23, 2023 by Steptide Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Not sure how much we’d get for White at this point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 10 minutes ago, Governor said: Another year like this and Josh will be putting his house up for sale. He’s not gonna stick around for this. He should have a list of demands and if they aren’t met, hit the road after next season. He doesn’t owe us anything. I was thinking this too. based on abuse he takes in guess he’s got 2-4 years left anyway 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 OL via draft and free agency #2 WR #1/2 TE Replace Poyer DB depth replace Frazier and Dorsey See what resources are left for rb, dl, lb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 30 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Oh god. If we draft defense in the first round again, the servers for this forum are going to explode like the Death Star. As they should 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 9 minutes ago, Governor said: Another year like this and Josh will be putting his house up for sale. He’s not gonna stick around for this. He should have a list of demands and if they aren’t met, hit the road after next season. He doesn’t owe us anything. He hasn’t completed building it yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trock Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 7 minutes ago, Chaos said: Or listen to his complaints and solve the problems he is pointing out. we made the final 8 last year and the final 8 this year. Among the final 8 teams we are not the youngest, and we have the worst salary cap situation. We are not a couple of tweaks away. He’s becoming a primadonna. He doesn’t see the full picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Not a remake, but a pretty big retool. Predictions: 1. Morse retires, and they let Saffold and Bates go. Draft a C and sign a FA guard. Boettger takes the LG spot. 2. Poyer goes. Oliver is not extended. Singletary comes back because there isn’t a big market for RBs. 3. Draft two O linemen and a S the first 3 rounds. Shakir becomes the # 2 to Diggs. 4. Edmunds is signed, and Frazier moves on. We get a DC with a more aggressive mentality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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