RichRiderBills Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Couple of thoughts: I'm most worried about Bengals pass rush getting to Allen. In a perfect world with an open minded OC this would be a Motor Cook Hines game. Baltimore ran all over them, and while those big backs moved bodies and got extra yards, Ravens left even more yards on the field as the holes were huge. Gus and Dobbins could not hit them fast enough and neither guy has breakaway speed. So in short; run the damn ball. We have to have better plans to drive the field. Plz, give me a few more screens and WR passes. Unleash running Allen. It is the time. Ball control, clock discipline, mistakes all need to get under control. O line really needs to pick it up. Gut check time. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Bills need to be physical on offense and defense. Ravens ran it at Hendrickson so much that the Bengals had to pull him unless it was an obvious passing down. We need to control the clock on offense and be real physical with their WR’s. This is an Elam game. Lawson also needs to play way more than Epenesa. Id also consider not playing nickel and putting an extra LB on field, but not sure how you solve for keeping Taron on the field. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: Bills need to be physical on offense and defense. Ravens ran it at Hendrickson so much that the Bengals had to pull him unless it was an obvious passing down. We need to control the clock on offense and be real physical with their WR’s. This is an Elam game. Lawson also needs to play way more than Epenesa. Id also consider not playing nickel and putting an extra LB on field, but not sure how you solve for keeping Taron on the field. Bengals normally play 3 WRs. We need to play nickel 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichRiderBills Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Bengals lost 2 more starters this game on OL and looked a lot different when their LT left. Looked like a serious knee injury. Gotta get pass rush home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Just now, RichRiderBills said: Couple of thoughts: I'm most worried about Bengals pass rush getting to Allen. In a perfect world with an open minded OC this would be a Motor Cook Hines game. Baltimore ran all over them, and while those big backs moved bodies and got extra yards, Ravens left even more yards on the field as the holes were huge. Gus and Dobbins could not hit them fast enough and neither guy has breakaway speed. So in short; run the damn ball. We have to have better plans to drive the field. Plz, give me a few more screens and WR passes. Unleash running Allen. It is the time. Ball control, clock discipline, mistakes all need to get under control. O line really needs to pick it up. Gut check time. Bengals pass rush is not as good as the Fins. However, if we play like we did yesterday against them it is a simpleconcept to get Josh. simply line up and attack the point of drop back josh will be at and you will meet him there. run stunts to defeat common schemes and keep the bills OL on their heels. the bills need to come out and not be afraid to run the ball but absolutely must match points early. the run game will wear down their D and we cannot let their dl wear down our weakened OL. bills can and must be looking to have 70 yards in the first half running without Allen. if they can do this and then unleash josh in the second half they'll be fine. the plan to drive the field must be orchestrated as an entire scheme and not just simple single series plan. it needs to be a culmination of setting up for success. something dorsey doesn't do well. the screens and such i do not fear will work because the bengals are fairly aggressive by default. i'd as soon fake the screen and play actions to get them to over committ. they are aggressive on defense but not disciplined. this aggression wins matchups and gets in the heads of others but their d is overrated. i'd not unleash allen. the bengals are a dirty cheap shot team without souls. the ol needs to be sympatico. needs to be ready to punch, hit, kick, stomp. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 5 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: Bills need to be physical on offense and defense. Ravens ran it at Hendrickson so much that the Bengals had to pull him unless it was an obvious passing down. We need to control the clock on offense and be real physical with their WR’s. This is an Elam game. Lawson also needs to play way more than Epenesa. Id also consider not playing nickel and putting an extra LB on field, but not sure how you solve for keeping Taron on the field. I think the Bills will address the physicality. It was obvious during the MNF game at Cinci that the Bengals plan was to come out and punch the Bills in the mouth. They were physical at every level of Defense and offense in the short time they played., it was borderline over the edge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 25 minutes ago, freddyjj said: Was for the MNF game on 1/2 that was cancelled. the points still stand. read the article and the assessments of the AFC people quoted about both teams. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Okay have not read 17 pages, but will add my thoughts. Neither team was impressive yesterday. Huntley not very good and we all saw the Miami game. Burrow from what I saw didn't wow. Both teams know they need to play much better and Buffalo is home. Happy it isn't a 1:00 pm game as for some reason, those were amongst the Bills worst all season (including all 3 losses). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 The key to beating Allen is making him uncomfortable,,, and he had several uncomfortable moments in the pocket yesterday.. Miami caved in the pocket and clogged up the middle running lanes on several occasions. It was a really nice job by Miami's D. They caused chaos around Allen. Most teams won't blitz Josh because he often burns them badly. But Miami said screw it and brought the heat often and it worked enough to be a major reason why Miami stayed in the game..... because it caused mistakes and incompletions. It will be interesting if Cincinnati tries to copy what Miami did. But lets keep in Mind Buffalo still scored 34,,,and that was including a missed 4th down conversion in FG range on the first drive. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GottaRun Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Is there a reason why we don't use Singletary and Cook on the same drives? Seems to me that Singletary, Cook, and Allen would make a 3 headed monster and it would be harder to figure out who was about to run the ball. Singletary is decent at blocking. Or have we tried this and not had any success? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 13 minutes ago, RichRiderBills said: Unleash running Allen. It is the time. Ball control, clock discipline, mistakes all need to get under control. O line really needs to pick it up. Gut check time. I totally agree it's time for Josh to run like crazy; every game is time for him to rush like crazy. I've been saying for 5 years and it's still true: the most dangerous thing we do is a Josh Allen running play. O line will not "pick it up" with a quick gut check. They are very much league average and we all know about how well they play. They'll have a rough day. It's funny that after the Demar game, we find ourselves right back to where we were...only with a change of stadium. 10 hours ago, Big Blitz said: Going to need to score 40. That’s it. That’s the plan. I agree we'll need to score a TON, but that's not the key to this one. We need to keep the self-inflicted wounds to ZERO for this one, and we haven't done that in like 8 or 9 games now. I lost count. You know, the kind that we suffered all day yesterday and that almost let Miami win a game in which they were dominated on the stat sheet. More of that next week and we're done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew21PA Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 50 minutes ago, K-9 said: I got the feeling Baltimore conceded Chase and dared Cinci to beat them with anybody else. Good observation about stopping their run game, too. That is paramount. Yeah I think I’d dare them to beat you with Higgins i mean that’s bold too but I’d take out their best weapon…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 From browsing the Bengals board, those posters think Buffalo's defense sucks and can be exploited. Can't say i blame for thinking that way. Hopefully the Bills D steps up to the challenge of a really accurate QB coming here with dangerous WR's. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 4 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: I totally agree it's time for Josh to run like crazy; every game is time for him to rush like crazy. I've been saying for 5 years and it's still true: the most dangerous thing we do is a Josh Allen running play. O line will not "pick it up" with a quick gut check. They are very much league average and we all know about how well they play. They'll have a rough day. It's funny that after the Demar game, we find ourselves right back to where we were...only with a change of stadium. I agree, but did anybody else feel like Josh just wasn't himself physically yesterday? He appeared a bit tentative and slow to roll out and also to take off. He also got caught several times by the spy. Spies never are effective against him. I read an article that mentioned that he was on the injury report this week with an ankle injury. That might explain it. Anyone else feel he was limited? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Almost all of our WRs made big plays yesterday. I think the weapons we have are incredibly underrated. I think we can fire with anyone, the thing that’s bothered me all year was our defense. We are going to have to make every possession count because stops won’t come easy. This team has to stop screwing around with Corner. Elam has long since been the better guy and Dane Jackson is basically terrible at this point. He may want to switch to S because he’s not it at CB. It sucks that it took injury for this coach to get Elam out there but he needs to be out there full go. It needs to be 27/24/7 out there Sunday or we are going to get scorched. I have no concerns about the offense. They score 30 on bad days….fix the defense and start sending pressure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew21PA Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 1 minute ago, zow2 said: From browsing the Bengals board, those posters think Buffalo's defense sucks and can be exploited. Can't say i blame for thinking that way. Hopefully the Bills D steps up to the challenge of a really accurate QB coming here with dangerous WR's. They are just as cocky as Joe burrow and mixon really hope that arrogance underplays the bills and we have a solid game 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyobills89 Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 We are still only 2 weeks removed from Hamlins injury. I think 1 more week of normal week will help. Got the wild card game out the way, back to a normal week. We will see a different team out there next week. Playoff game though so it's going to be a battle. Can't wait. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew21PA Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Just now, JMM said: I agree, but did anybody else feel like Josh just wasn't himself physically yesterday? He appeared a bit tentative and slow to roll out and also to take off. He also got caught several times by the spy. Spies never are effective against him. I read an article that mentioned that he was on the injury report this week with an ankle injury. That might explain it. Anyone else feel he was limited? Feel they collectively took their foot off the gas after going up 17 I feel Miami said screw it “engage8” the rest of the time what do we have to losr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfandBills Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, Drew21PA said: Feel they collectively took their foot off the gas after going up 17 I feel Miami said screw it “engage8” the rest of the time what do we have to losr If Shakir makes that catch this board is totally different yesterday and today. Everything snowballed from that moment on 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNYfan Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 3 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: And legal experts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew21PA Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 1 minute ago, GolfandBills said: If Shakir makes that catch this board is totally different yesterday and today. Everything snowballed from that moment on Yes incredibly different yeak he threw 2 picks but Dan he threw 400!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillzFreak Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Just now, Drew21PA said: They are just as cocky as Joe burrow and mixon really hope that arrogance underplays the bills and we have a solid game Wow fans on there teams message board being cocky what a new concept. I've gotten used to the opposite around here, always looking for a flaw, always over analyzing every play. Hearing week after week how this team sucks and we won't win. But after winning 8 games in a row, I'm feeling like Bengals fans to be honest. Bring it on baby!!!!. This isn't the jungle the Bills run the show here. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 31 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: Bills need to be physical on offense and defense. Ravens ran it at Hendrickson so much that the Bengals had to pull him unless it was an obvious passing down. We need to control the clock on offense and be real physical with their WR’s. This is an Elam game. Lawson also needs to play way more than Epenesa. Id also consider not playing nickel and putting an extra LB on field, but not sure how you solve for keeping Taron on the field. No chance 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, GolfandBills said: If Shakir makes that catch this board is totally different yesterday and today. Everything snowballed from that moment on Shakir and the Knox end zone review. That game went from 21-0 to 17-17 in a blink... and i did blink unlike Von Miller! I still think Knox had control of that football a millisecond before it scraped a few blades of grass...which makes it a legal catch. I was surprised they overturned it. Romo and the ref in the booth were dying for it to be overturned so Miami could stay in the game a bit longer, and they sure did. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Since1981 Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Fins clogged center and it messed up Josh. Fins gave them long ball but Bills couldn’t connect reliably. A pitch to Hines may have helped etc. needed plays to get outside the hashes or 7 yr slants that never were tried 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 6 minutes ago, GolfandBills said: If Shakir makes that catch this board is totally different yesterday and today. Everything snowballed from that moment on I would argue that it started snowballing when Knox dropped that pass in the EZ. Then after the FG Bass kicked out of bounds giving the Fins a short field. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 20 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: I totally agree it's time for Josh to run like crazy; every game is time for him to rush like crazy. I've been saying for 5 years and it's still true: the most dangerous thing we do is a Josh Allen running play. O line will not "pick it up" with a quick gut check. They are very much league average and we all know about how well they play. They'll have a rough day. It's funny that after the Demar game, we find ourselves right back to where we were...only with a change of stadium. I agree we'll need to score a TON, but that's not the key to this one. We need to keep the self-inflicted wounds to ZERO for this one, and we haven't done that in like 8 or 9 games now. I lost count. You know, the kind that we suffered all day yesterday and that almost let Miami win a game in which they were dominated on the stat sheet. More of that next week and we're done. It’s funny that people still don’t know his name 2 minutes ago, zow2 said: Shakir and the Knox end zone review. That game went from 21-0 to 17-17 in a blink... and i did blink unlike Von Miller! I still think Knox had control of that football a millisecond before it scraped a few blades of grass...which makes it a legal catch. I was surprised they overturned it. Romo and the ref in the booth were dying for it to be overturned so Miami could stay in the game a bit longer, and they sure did. Didn’t look like a catch to me. 1 minute ago, FrenchConnection said: I would argue that it started snowballing when Knox dropped that pass in the EZ. Then after the FG Bass kicked out of bounds giving the Fins a short field. I agree that it was the shakir drop where everything snowballed. Glad the kid made up for it on the big 3rd down catch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 9 minutes ago, CNYfan said: And legal experts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 10 hours ago, Big Turk said: Based on the Bengals scoring 17 on O today? Amazing how people make every team out to be some offensive juggernaut against us, teams score points seemingly. plus, Cincy was pushing it against us in the Mon night game. winder if Hyde is back, although Marlowe looked good against a 7th round rookie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 16, 2023 Author Share Posted January 16, 2023 1 minute ago, RyanC883 said: against us, teams score points seemingly. plus, Cincy was pushing it against us in the Mon night game. winder if Hyde is back, although Marlowe looked good against a 7th round rookie Defensive DVOA rankings for the Bills by quarter: 1st: 23rd 2nd: 1st 3rd: 6th 4th: 6th Bills tend to adjust well once they see teams tendencies. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 How do you not bet Cinci hard at +5?!? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 I'm not one of those people who's down on the Bills right now but -5.0 seems like a lot. I think the line is reflecting the Bengals' injury problems on OL but we haven't really shown a front four that takes advantage of that. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew21PA Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: against us, teams score points seemingly. plus, Cincy was pushing it against us in the Mon night game. winder if Hyde is back, although Marlowe looked good against a 7th round rookie I’m noticing cinci tends to cool off so…yeah they did - games I’ve watched I was always surprised how cinci is like Buffalo falls apart in the middle quarters maybe I’m wrong but they let people hang around like Buffalo does for whatever reason 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 O line injuries mean little when Frazier backs off on 3rd and long, Groot disappears, and Oliver has one sack where he was unblocked. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 5 minutes ago, zow2 said: Shakir and the Knox end zone review. That game went from 21-0 to 17-17 in a blink... and i did blink unlike Von Miller! I still think Knox had control of that football a millisecond before it scraped a few blades of grass...which makes it a legal catch. I was surprised they overturned it. Romo and the ref in the booth were dying for it to be overturned so Miami could stay in the game a bit longer, and they sure did. The question I like to ask myself is if the score was different and say the Bills were down 14-0, would the officials have let the call on the field stand? I think yes, because I do think there is an element of refereeing where when in doubt, the officials act to keep the game closer (at least subconsciously). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 6 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: against us, teams score points seemingly. plus, Cincy was pushing it against us in the Mon night game. winder if Hyde is back, although Marlowe looked good against a 7th round rookie Yesterday was only the second time that the Bills defense has given up 30 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Stare Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Joe Burrow going to be the most misspelled name on the board all week. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 10 hours ago, DapperCam said: Could be the game of the year. I expect a shootout! Expect the Bengals to come with a heavy dose of Perine and Mixon early. The Bengals are gonna want to open the middle of the field for slants and run after the catch to help their porous offensive line. The Bills defensive line will need a big game tackling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 16, 2023 Author Share Posted January 16, 2023 50 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: Bills need to be physical on offense and defense. Ravens ran it at Hendrickson so much that the Bengals had to pull him unless it was an obvious passing down. We need to control the clock on offense and be real physical with their WR’s. This is an Elam game. Lawson also needs to play way more than Epenesa. Id also consider not playing nickel and putting an extra LB on field, but not sure how you solve for keeping Taron on the field. Why? The Bengals are not a good running team. Worse than the Bills. 5 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said: Yesterday was only the second time that the Bills defense has given up 30 points. The defense did not give up 30 points, they gave up 24. Miami scored a TD on defense. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob71 Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 not scared of Burrow and his sun sensitive eyes. JA could stare at the sun all day and be fine, and then throw a football and hit the sun 3 1 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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