We're on to Cincinnati(Bengals coming to OP). Sunday 1/22 at 3pm. Opening Line Bills -5

[Warriorspikes51]

7 minutes ago, wjag said:

Should be an interesting game plan this week.  I don't get the sense that Cincy modifies their offensive game plan week-to-week.  Hopefully Buffalo facing Hill and Waddle twice in four weeks have paid some coverage dividends.  The DLINE needs to get home.  Would really love to see a ball control, clock eating set of drives from Buffalo.  Practice this week, because if it works, you are going to need it again the following week.

The Bengals run D isn't that great is it?  I think we moved the ball against them well on the ground during week 17

[Goin Breakdown]

1 hour ago, Green Lightning said:

The great equalizer is turnovers. Josh has 19 this year, most of any QB. It can't always be bombs away. Situational football at times calls for keeping a drive alive and eating clock. A few long drives ala the Rams game would be most welcome against Burrow & Co. 

I like this take. I keep hearing today that you can't look at past games to determine future games. This is true, but what's also true is Josh has been turning over the ball....a lot. It's not even debatable. Why they went away from the fast pass game they had at the beginning is beyond me. Cook is open a lot and often overlooked. I thought this is why we got this guy. 

[thenorthremembers]

You can pressure Burrow, you can send 4 he is going to get his.  The best defense against any team with a good QB is to outscore them.

[sonyab1974]

Oh boy I don't know if I can handle this on Sunday!! Unless this will be therapeutic!!! I wonder if Demar will be there to watch them!

[Billever76]

1 hour ago, Success said:

If we still had Von, I wouldn't be too worried about this game.  Cincy has a tough situation w/ that O-line right now.  As it is, we should still be able to create a lot of pressure. 

 

I don't think Allen really turned into a pumpkin yesterday - the picks really weren't his fault, and the way the rush was on the fumble, he didn't even have time to tuck the ball back in.  Obviously, we have to clean up the mistakes, but I don't expect a repeat of yesterday or anything close to it. And I think the Bengals will have challenges stopping both our run game and the pass attack.

 

In a way, I'm glad it worked out this way.  I want to see how we match up w/ that team.  This will likely be the 1st of many times we'll see them in January.

 

 

 

Yea a blatant helmet to helmet hit on allen not called on that fumble return...if that was mahomes or Brady there would be 100 flags on the field 

5 minutes ago, Goin Breakdown said:

I like this take. I keep hearing today that you can't look at past games to determine future games. This is true, but what's also true is Josh has been turning over the ball....a lot. It's not even debatable. Why they went away from the fast pass game they had at the beginning is beyond me. Cook is open a lot and often overlooked. I thought this is why we got this guy. 

Josh first int was a bad read by smoke....his 2nd was Beasley getting mauled with dpi and no call.....his fumble he was hit helmet to helmet and again no flag

......so as bad as it seems Allen was with turnovers yesterday only 1 of them should have stood if the game was called fair...two of his 3 turnovers yesterday were entirely not his fault

[Seventeen]

1 hour ago, MILFHUNTER#518 said:

Genny screamers are the worst.

 

Not when you're a poor college kid

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

17 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

The Bengals run D isn't that great is it?  I think we moved the ball against them well on the ground during week 17

Yea I’m confused why people are assuming we would’ve lost that game…we were steamrolling their defensive line and their offensive line was holding for dear life on the other side 

[Goin Breakdown]

10 minutes ago, Billever76 said:

Yea a blatant helmet to helmet hit on allen not called on that fumble return...if that was mahomes or Brady there would be 100 flags on the field 

Josh first int was a bad read by smoke....his 2nd was Beasley getting mauled with dpi and no call.....his fumble he was hit helmet to helmet and again no flag

......so as bad as it seems Allen was with turnovers yesterday only 1 of them should have stood if the game was called fair...two of his 3 turnovers yesterday were entirely not his fault

Dang didn't see the helmet to helmet live. Refs yesterday. Ughh. Yeah Romo was saying that smoke ran the top of the route wrong. And Beasley is for sure not on josh. I was a little disappointed in 2 long shots to gabe in a row rather than taking something else the D was giving you. At that point in the game, putting a drive together would have been better imo. Funny thing is if any of those big plays worked......

[Southern_Bills]

4 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Yea I’m confused why people are assuming we would’ve lost that game…we were steamrolling their defensive line and their offensive line was holding for dear life on the other side 

 

To make any assumption of winner/loser 9-10 minutes into an NFL game is absolutely absurd.

 

I mean if the Chargers/Jags game was called off even 5 minutes into the 2nd who would you pick as the winner?

 

They play all 4 quarters for a reason.

[CaliBills]

5 minutes ago, Goin Breakdown said:

Dang didn't see the helmet to helmet live. Refs yesterday. Ughh. Yeah Romo was saying that smoke ran the top of the route wrong. And Beasley is for sure not on josh. I was a little disappointed in 2 long shots to gabe in a row rather than taking something else the D was giving you. At that point in the game, putting a drive together would have been better imo. Funny thing is if any of those big plays worked......

 

yeah, if you watch the video (I posted it in Post Gameday Thread) you definitely hear and see Josh's head get knocked back pretty damn hard.  

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, starrymessenger said:

Have to think that the comments on the improved Bengals O-line are dated now that three of their starting players are down and probably out. Capps and their LT were good to go Jan 2 when the piece was written. I wonder how much that would change their analysis. 

 

 

that O-line was never good

[YoloinOhio]

 

[BeavercreekBillsFan]

1 hour ago, Bermuda Triangle said:

So you think it's a foregone conclusion that the Bengals will do something next Sunday that they've done only 3 out of 17 games this season?

Yes I do, it’s a bad matchup for us. Really bad. 

Edited January 16, 2023 by BeavercreekBillsFan

[What a Tuel]

 

6 minutes ago, Southern_Bills said:

 

To make any assumption of winner/loser 9-10 minutes into an NFL game is absolutely absurd.

 

I mean if the Chargers/Jags game was called off even 5 minutes into the 2nd who would you pick as the winner?

 

They play all 4 quarters for a reason.

 

Yeah. Even our game. We steamrolled the Dolphins right. First quarter 14-0. Bills 182 yards Dolphins 14 yards. Game over right? 

 

Its just such a silly notion to think that could be indicative of an entire game.

 

 

Edited January 16, 2023 by What a Tuel

[Big Turk]

Looks like Jonah Williams is not playing...Zac Taylor confirmed it's a dislocated kneecap and both him and their starting guard Cappa were termed week to week...in McD land that means out for the next game.

[Ya Digg?]

4 minutes ago, BeavercreekBillsFan said:

Yes I do, it’s a bad matchup for us. Really bad. 

So do you also think it’s a foregone conclusion the Bills will also score 35+? 

[CoffeeDrip]

3 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

Looks like Jonah Williams is not playing...Zac Taylor confirmed it's a dislocated kneecap and both him and their starting guard Cappa were termed week to week...in McD land that means out for the next game.

But is it the same in Taylor land? 

[Goin Breakdown]

8 minutes ago, CaliBills said:

 

yeah, if you watch the video (I posted it in Post Gameday Thread) you definitely hear and see Josh's head get knocked back pretty damn hard.  

Messed up. And dolphin fans have been complaining about the refs lol

[starrymessenger]

10 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

that O-line was never good

They tried to fix it off-season. Based on their performance until mid-season their moves appeared to have failed, but they jelled after that and were playing well. I think that's why some of the football pros in the article had good things to say about it. If Williams, Cappa and Collins are out they are personnel-wise probably in worse shape than they were last year, when they were awful.

Edited January 16, 2023 by starrymessenger

[JerseyBills]

1 hour ago, Scott7975 said:

 

I swear there was a thing going around all week that no wildcard team with a spread as big as the Bills has ever won or hasnt won since the 70's or something stupid.  Regardless if true or not these types of things are meaningless.

There was. Teams in the WC that are 10+ point favorites were 11-0

 

13-0 after SF and Buf

 

I agree the stat that was mentioned is ridiculous.  About giving up 30+ . We out gained them by almost 200 yards, just a bunch of dumb mistakes they took advantage of , that can definitely get cleaned up

Edited January 16, 2023 by JerseyBills

[Big Turk]

8 minutes ago, CoffeeDrip said:

But is it the same in Taylor land? 

 

I would find it hard to believe a player could player 7 days after dislocating a kneecap. Considered a 3-6 week recovery time.

 

Apparently it's the second time this year he has had the same injury.

Edited January 16, 2023 by Big Turk

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

30 minutes ago, BeavercreekBillsFan said:

Yes I do, it’s a bad matchup for us. Really bad. 

I don’t see it honestly…especially with their oline banged up.  At worst it’s 50/50 and I’d lean towards the home team.  On this board we have made it a habit to give our division opponents absolutely zero credit but Miami has a bunch of talent in the front 7.  I don’t think any other team could or would emulate Miami’s gameplan from yesterday.  It was literally the opposite of how I’d play the bills but their only chance was if they forced some turnovers and we were off on the deep throws 

21 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

There was. Teams in the WC that are 10+ point favorites were 11-0

 

13-0 after SF and Buf

 

I agree the stat that was mentioned is ridiculous.  About giving up 30+ . We out gained them by almost 200 yards, just a bunch of dumb mistakes they took advantage of , that can definitely get cleaned up

Idk what it was but that sun heading to the west end zone seemed to be messin up everybody…couple uncharacteristic drops from Miami headed that way and shakir dropped a ball that hit him straight between the numbers and brown lost that ball in the air that ended up getting picked 

 

if you made that exact game a night game I’m curious what the score would’ve been 😂

Edited January 16, 2023 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Virgil]

I wonder why the line jumped from -3 to -5 since last night

[Logic]

Just now, Virgil said:

I wonder why the line jumped from -3 to -5 since last night

[GolfandBills]

3 minutes ago, Virgil said:

I wonder why the line jumped from -3 to -5 since last night

They want money to go on Cincinnati 

[Big Blitz]

Just now, Virgil said:

I wonder why the line jumped from -3 to -5 since last night

 

100% has to be the Oline injuries for Cincy.  
 

That should be a massive deal.  
 

But I have so little confidence in the Dline right now.  Nothing against their talent it’s that Rousseau needs help he’s not getting home and is DE1 by a mile so seeing more attention.  Oliver is nowhere near 100%.  Neither is Philips.  Something happened to Settle in practice last week.

 

The Bengals made it clear last time.  They don’t respect this defense at all.  “We ain’t the Ravens.”  
 

Need 40 points.  

[MILFHUNTER#518]

1 hour ago, Seventeen said:

 

Not when you're a poor college kid

The beer farts you get from those things will damage relationships, and the squirts that follow will make you question your most contentious life choices.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

1 hour ago, Big Turk said:

 

They had 2 first downs in the second half.

You are good with how they played on defense yesterday against a 3rd string rookie 7th round QB? If that’s the case then agree to disagree. They dropped huge passes yesterday that are big plays and beat us. I’m not ok whatsoever with the Defense. If you are good, it is what it is.

[What a Tuel]

7 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

100% has to be the Oline injuries for Cincy.  
 

That should be a massive deal.  
 

But I have so little confidence in the Dline right now.  Nothing against their talent it’s that Rousseau needs help he’s not getting home and is DE1 by a mile so seeing more attention.  Oliver is nowhere near 100%.  Neither is Philips.  Something happened to Settle in practice last week.

 

The Bengals made it clear last time.  They don’t respect this defense at all.  “We ain’t the Ravens.”  
 

Need 40 points.  

 

I feel like this is one of those things we hype all week "The o line is terrible 3 starters out, its in shambles" and then we are left scratching our heads with 0 sacks and the qb having all the time in the world. 

 

So I am not assuming anything yet. 

4 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

You are good with how they played on defense yesterday against a 3rd string rookie 7th round QB? If that’s the case then agree to disagree. They dropped huge passes yesterday that are big plays and beat us. I’m not ok whatsoever with the Defense. If you are good, it is what it is.

 

Yes. Defense was phenomenal yesterday. The 3rd string 7th round QB had one drive all game that would have put them in field goal range (let alone TD) if the Offense/Special teams didn't give huge field advantage.

 

Edit: I mean literally the guy had 8 drives of less than 10 yards. 11 drives less than 20 yards.

 

Edited January 16, 2023 by What a Tuel

[Big Blitz]

Just now, What a Tuel said:

 

I feel like this is one of those things we hype all week "The o line is terrible 3 starters out, its in shambles" and then we are left scratching our heads with 0 sacks and the qb having all the time in the world. 

 

So I am not assuming anything yet. 

 

I’ve seen the Jets and Dolphins scrubs hold up well enough to know that this should not be taken for granted by anyone that Cincy will have a hard time with our front 4.  
 

They needed all kinds of blitzes I’m willing to bet Miami wasn’t expecting much of in order to get home.  I don’t recall seeing Edmonds blitz that much.  Maybe it was only a few times but felt like half a dozen.   

[finn]

51 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

There was. Teams in the WC that are 10+ point favorites were 11-0

 

13-0 after SF and Buf

 

I agree the stat that was mentioned is ridiculous.  About giving up 30+ . We out gained them by almost 200 yards, just a bunch of dumb mistakes they took advantage of , that can definitely get cleaned up

Well, give the Dolphins credit. The sack-fumble was a nice play by the DE, the coverage on the Beasley interception was spot on, and that deep interception by Xavien Howard was impressive. They also shut down the run well and adjusted well after the first quarter, basically taking Diggs out of the game and making Allen rely on drop-prone Davis, a rookie, and two semi-retired has-beens, a smart plan. The Bills won because they're just better, sort of like the heavier guy ultimately winning in a fight. But it wasn't just the Bills being dumb; the Dolphins came to play. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

8 minutes ago, What a Tuel said:

 

I feel like this is one of those things we hype all week "The o line is terrible 3 starters out, its in shambles" and then we are left scratching our heads with 0 sacks and the qb having all the time in the world. 

 

So I am not assuming anything yet. 

 

Yes. Defense was phenomenal yesterday. The 3rd string 7th round QB had one drive all game that would have put them in field goal range (let alone TD) if the Offense/Special teams didn't give huge field advantage.

 

Edit: I mean literally the guy had 8 drives of less than 10 yards. 11 drives less than 20 yards.

 

Miami had armstead play which made a huge difference..  the other guys that were out are so bad that their replacements weren’t that big of a downgrade.  Eichenberg is absolutely horrible and shell is pretty bad.  No armstead and they would have gotten obliterated 

 

Miami runs a lot of heavy sets too so they can gameplan around missing some offensive linemen a little more successfully 

Edited January 16, 2023 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[What a Tuel]

2 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

I’ve seen the Jets and Dolphins scrubs hold up well enough to know that this should not be taken for granted by anyone that Cincy will have a hard time with our front 4.  
 

They needed all kinds of blitzes I’m willing to bet Miami wasn’t expecting much of in order to get home.  I don’t recall seeing Edmonds blitz that much.  Maybe it was only a few times but felt like half a dozen.   

 

On that we disagree. As I said above, the defense was phenomenal against Miami.

 

I just meant it more as a knock on wood thing. Any time we say X part of the Bills game plan should be great against an opponent, it feels like it just isn't. Maybe its BBFS but is it BBFS if comes true sometimes?

 

 

[wjag]

20 minutes ago, Virgil said:

I wonder why the line jumped from -3 to -5 since last night

 

Caught me off guard too.  Two thoughts.  Ravens held their offense in check.  LT went down making that 3 of 5 starters out in two weeks.

[Big Blitz]

Just now, What a Tuel said:

 

On that we disagree. As I said above, the defense was phenomenal against Miami.

 

 

 

 

I watched a game that if not for a few drops by Miami they have the lead in the first quarter.  
 

And, did anyone watching think if Tua was there they could have easily scored 30 without the TOs?  
 

I saw a defense get bailed out by a rookie QB that had no business playing.  
 

Look it’s not their fault.  I’ve said this it’s the injuries.  We’re at critical mass.  We should be operating as if we won’t be able to stop or slow down enough any of the remaining teams.   
 

Allen and the O yesterday had a lot of that “we ain’t losing this game anyway” once we went up 17-0 because of the QB on the other side.  Can’t play like that anymore.  

[Process]

24 minutes ago, Virgil said:

I wonder why the line jumped from -3 to -5 since last night

Sharp money was on the bills in the first matchup and it will be again this week

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

2 minutes ago, What a Tuel said:

 

On that we disagree. As I said above, the defense was phenomenal against Miami.

 

I just meant it more as a knock on wood thing. Any time we say X part of the Bills game plan should be great against an opponent, it feels like it just isn't. Maybe its BBFS but is it BBFS if comes true sometimes?

 

 

The offense is gameplanning around missing a starter too keep in mind lol they’re not just gonna leave some talentless hack on an island one on one. If the OL guy they’re replacing was responsible for picking up assignments one on one because the offensive scheme relies on flooding the field with wrs then you could start seeing major issues. Miami could run a one man route to tyreek hill and he’d still get open if Thompson can buy enough time 😂

[Since1981]

6 hours ago, TheProcess said:

Burrow going to be the most misspelled name on the board all week.  

he is the Burro.. let it be so, let it be written. BURRO

[LABILLBACKER]

19 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

100% has to be the Oline injuries for Cincy.  
 

That should be a massive deal.  
 

But I have so little confidence in the Dline right now.  Nothing against their talent it’s that Rousseau needs help he’s not getting home and is DE1 by a mile so seeing more attention.  Oliver is nowhere near 100%.  Neither is Philips.  Something happened to Settle in practice last week.

 

The Bengals made it clear last time.  They don’t respect this defense at all.  “We ain’t the Ravens.”  
 

Need 40 points.  

We will need 38-40+. Just because a couple olineman might be out, our DL post Von acl has been underwhelming. If Joe is given too much time we're in trouble.

[HappyDays]

17 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I am scared to effing death.  Where has our pass rush been?  I understand losing Miller is a big loss but against 3 back up lineman, we didn’t dominate upfront.

 

I worry that Rousseau has hit the wall this season. He didn't play football in 2021 and only started 15 games in college. Realistically he was never going to reach his full potential until year 3 but because of Miller's injury we've had to give him more snaps than we'd like the past few weeks. A weakened Rousseau and an uninspiring cast of pass rushers around him does not bode well for a 3 game run against championship caliber teams. But that's what we'll have to overcome.