Cole situation

[Boatdrinks]

4 hours ago, Eastport bills said:

They’re ramping him up for the playoffs. He’ll get more targets this week and more against NE. 

Definitely ramping him up, but I’m not sure that he plays vs CIN and NE. Only 1 “ free “ callup left for Cole so my guess is he plays this week and sits vs NE 

[newcam2012]

A bit off topic but I don't know why the Bills chose to pick up Brown instead of TYHilton. TY looks pretty good. A much better version of Brown. 

[Airseven]

Cole was signed as a familiar yet desperate move. Low risk, low reward. The guy is out of shape and slow to the point of recently retiring. Anyone who thought he was going to play high snaps with impact right away is nuts.

[CEN-CAL17]

6 hours ago, Italian Bills said:

What do you think about the Cole situation at the moment ? 
 

He’s got very few snaps till now, why ? Maybe he’s not ready enough ? Maybe they don’t see it good anymore ? It could be that he lost his speed ? Honestly i would love to see him more involved, because i still think that he’s one of the most talented slot player in the game. 
 

We need more slants and jet sweeps or short curls in our passing game, do you agree ? And i still think Cole could be our best weapon. 

 

Josh has mentioned a lot of the formations and concepts that were used specifically due to him on the field were basically removed from the offense…

 

Now that he’s back, you have to get all the players on the same sheet of music, not just Beasley….

 

I imagine the slot will start to warm up the next couple games leading to the playoffs.

[gobills1212]

4 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

Both Cole and Smoke were desperation moves (smart desperation moves but moves made out of desperation) and given that both guys were off the scrap head I think they are just working both of them in slowly for a playoff run esp Cole who has more of a niche in the offense as there really is no true slot WR on the team.

This, and I'm not sure why it has to be something more. Why cant it happen organically? 

Edited December 30, 2022 by gobills1212

[Arkady Renko]

4 hours ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

Cole is going to be our secret weapon for when we host the Chiefs and brutally blow them!

What are you implying about Beaz?

[Udubalum07]

I hope they are utilizing him more going forward.  Maybe they changed more in the Dorsey system than we originally gave credit for.  

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

2 hours ago, Arkady Renko said:

What are you implying about Beaz?

 

 I don't know, but it sounds X Rated.

 

 

[BullBuchanan]

Because he's washed up and has been for 2 seasons. Expecting more out of him at this point is setting yourself up for disappointment. His tank is empty and the fumes are running out.

[dollars 2 donuts]

13 hours ago, JÂy RÛßeÒ said:

Cole and Smoke each have one more call up before having to be signed to the 53.  So I bet each one plays one of our remaining 2 games.  Call ups are unlimited in playoffs so should be all set after the season.

Personally, I think we're giving teams more run to look at right now but we'll switch it up for the playoffs.

 

I agree, Jay, but just a reminder to everyone, unlimited call ups per player, but they get only two call ups per game.  Fine if they are just these two, but you never know.

 

 

Edited December 30, 2022 by dollars 2 donuts

[JoPoy88]

10 hours ago, Italian Bills said:

What do you think about the Cole situation at the moment ? 
 

He’s got very few snaps till now, why ? Maybe he’s not ready enough ? Maybe they don’t see it good anymore ? It could be that he lost his speed ? Honestly i would love to see him more involved, because i still think that he’s one of the most talented slot player in the game. 
 

We need more slants and jet sweeps or short curls in our passing game, do you agree ? And i still think Cole could be our best weapon. 

 

“lost his speed”? Cole was never speedy. He ran a 4.5 40 and that was over a decade ago. He runs precise routes and finds holes in zone defenses. That’s his value. He probably has to knock off some rust too. 
 

They wouldn’t have signed him if they thought he couldn’t contribute at all. You should probably just calm down and see what happens.

[TAinLack.]

9 hours ago, ArtVandalay said:

The offense has changed from last year, so he needs to get up to speed, all while the team is focused on each next game, even though he used to be in the team it was under Daboll.

 

Considering you are an Italian Bills fan, think of getting a new guy up to speed like this...

 

It's like cooking risotto, you can't rush it or it doesn't come out right, and no matter how quick you want to cook it you need to take your time.  You got your broth simmering, which is our playbook, then you got the risotto which is Beasley. 

 

First we need to put some oil in the pan and cook some shallots or whatever else you want to go in. You get that going in the pan first -- that's calling his agent for a deal. 

 

Next, we add the aborio rice and toast it, this is getting Beasley acclimated to the staff and his new team mates. 

 

Now we got the broth simmering, the playbook. We can't add it all at once,  we need to scoop it in ladel by ladel, and we need to keep mixing the rice (which is the equivalent of practice). After about 40+ minutes of ladeling in broth (playbook) a cup at a time while mixing (practice), we are looking good. 

 

Now we add in some fresh chopped parsley and some parmagiano-reggiano or whatever else, which will be the new game plan installs of his role,  and boom we are ready. 

 

At this point in time I suspect we are still adding broth and mixing. 

 

I think the staff will have him ready to go as a matchup dependent role player for playoffs. 

 

Buon appetito!

 

 

I'm starving now.

Edited December 30, 2022 by TAinLA
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[boyst]

10 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

I'm curious why or how you think his Run Blocking is atrocious??

 

Can you present some evidence??

 

His most active game and we have a tremendous rushing night

 

I'm not being rude I'm just curious..

They've shown a couple highlights on him having poor blocking in games and if you watch him you'll see him struggle.

[Playoffs?]

I’m ready for Beas to have a blow up game out of nowhere. Like Mackenzie in New England last year.. 

[Italian Bills]

15 hours ago, TheWeatherMan said:

Inversely proportionate maybe? if you’re going to be a D at least put some thought into your replies otherwise you come across like a DA.  

Thanks for your support with this “professor “.. 

[Italian Bills]

11 hours ago, Beach said:

this guy post any thought that comes to his head?

You think sometimes before talking ? Just saying… 

[CLTbills]

15 hours ago, Eastport bills said:

They’re ramping him up for the playoffs. He’ll get more targets this week and more against NE. 

He can only be elevated for one more regular season game. I'd assume that'll be this week as Cincinnati's linebackers are a weak spot and that's a matchup Cole can exploit.

 

[HOUSE]

10 hours ago, Airseven said:

Cole was signed as a familiar yet desperate move. Low risk, low reward. The guy is out of shape and slow to the point of recently retiring. Anyone who thought he was going to play high snaps with impact right away is nuts.

Congrats, I respectively disagree  with everything....

[RoyBatty is alive]

16 hours ago, JÂy RÛßeÒ said:

Cole and Smoke each have one more call up before having to be signed to the 53.  So I bet each one plays one of our remaining 2 games.  Call ups are unlimited in playoffs so should be all set after the season.

Personally, I think we're giving teams more run to look at right now but we'll switch it up for the playoffs.

Amazing to me we brought back in John Brown.

 

He hasnt caught a ball since he left the Bills in 2020.  I remember when he first came here, compared to the rest of the talent we had up until Diggs, it was so unusual for the Bills to have a legit #1 WR.  A reminder of how far this team has come in a very short time.

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

Beasley running jet sweeps ?

 

 

 

[Since1981]

Beasley McKenzie Shakir—we should expect a mix snaps situationally. None is complete and each has glaring flaws. It’s like a 3-way tie for 5th ball touches <insert joke here> on the team. Do the grade 6 math and you get the low max snap count. 

Edited December 30, 2022 by Since1981

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

Bills fans when the old washed up has been turns out to actually be an old washed up has been

 

[NoSaint]

17 hours ago, HOUSE said:

Think about it, Beasley is always banged up come playoff time, separated shoulder,  broken leg, ankle sprain etc.  It's a high injury position. 

Cole has nothing to prove in Buffalo.

 I expect more receptions this week but nothing crazy. He can now enter the playoffs healthy...it's a BIG PLUS. Smart move

 

He also has to get back in game shape and learn a new playbook. It’s like working a holdout back into the lineup. Rarely 100% day 1.

 

plus his 100% today isn’t his 100% we remember 

Edited December 30, 2022 by NoSaint

[Punching Bag]

16 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

Both Cole and Smoke were desperation moves (smart desperation moves but moves made out of desperation) and given that both guys were off the scrap head I think they are just working both of them in slowly for a playoff run esp Cole who has more of a niche in the offense as there really is no true slot WR on the team.

 

I think they are cheap labor since Bills are close to salary cap and would rather not structure although there are a few players who will be FAs I would rather extend now.

[First Round Bust]

Cole is back for 1). depth 2). good hands..and 3).his ability to find the openings in the underneath coverage areas...and maybe a little bit of vet tips for Shakir is what we get..

 

cole and brown are good depth signings esp for the playoffs where we go against better defenses and related coaching...Mckenzie has too many drops and Shakir is not ready for prime time at least this season.

[Dablitzkrieg]

14 hours ago, RocCityRoller said:

 

How is your Italian?

Better than yours

[billsfan89]

1 hour ago, Limeaid said:

 

I think they are cheap labor since Bills are close to salary cap and would rather not structure although there are a few players who will be FAs I would rather extend now.

It’s a smart move to bring in a slot WR who knows Josh and the system and Brown is just cheap vet depth at a position where the Bills could use more production.

 

But both moves are kind of just throwing things at the wall and hoping they stick. 

[Don Otreply]

18 hours ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

Cole is going to be our secret weapon for when we host the Chiefs and brutally blow them!

“Brutally blow them” well okay then…

[Punching Bag]

9 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

It’s a smart move to bring in a slot WR who knows Josh and the system and Brown is just cheap vet depth at a position where the Bills could use more production.

 

But both moves are kind of just throwing things at the wall and hoping they stick. 

 

Due to cost of some of the high end players I think the Bills will be using a lot of draft picks and free agents elevated for games in future.

 

The NFL does have stratification of teams despite all Cowpokes are trying to do but I think roster stratification is something we are going to have to deal with.  High priced players injured and elevated getting paid less than 1/10 of them per game taking their place.

[billsfan89]

15 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Desperation moves how? They’re literally practice squad players. They were signed as depth. 
 

 

The team was desperate for help at WR so they took a chance on two WR’s who haven’t played much or at all this season. 

[3rdand12]

19 hours ago, Charles Romes said:

His two targets two completions at the league minimum have provided excellent roi  thus far with potential for expansion. 

so you suggest, Cole was a good investment so far

[First Round Bust]

well..OBJ and TY aren't coming...

 

so add the lack of salary cap space...bottom of the roster maintenance

 

the result is a couple of vets (add Rhodes, Klein, Marlowe, Shaq, Bark) who know the system and fit the culture...

 

no want drops during playoffs... and Bills are second worst in that stat ahead of only...Jax...b

[3rdnlng]

20 hours ago, Nephilim17 said:

I'd feel a hell of a lot better about this prediction it it included another preposition.

You spelled proposition wrong. -)

[3rdnlng]

2 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

The team was desperate for help at WR so they took a chance on two WR’s who haven’t played much or at all this season. 

The fact remains that the play calling terminology hasn't really changed under Dorsey. It's the same playbook with a few more wrinkles. Where it differs the most is the importance that is placed on different play types. Beasley had 82 catches for the Bills last year but his average per catch was down. He played through injuries and even played the previous year in the playoffs with a broken leg. He hasn't been out of the league for a year since he had time with the Bucs and now time with the Bills. It's been obvious this year that our offense has been missing Beasley's sure hands and on field awareness of the first down marker.

 

This reply isn't really directed at you but at the few people here who would seem to take pleasure in the chance that Cole performs poorly when called upon. It's sad when people who purport to be Bill's fans seem to want to be right rather than wish for their team's success. From what I saw in the thread here before Beasley was signed it seemed like the majority of the objections to Cole centered more on the media induced "locker room cancer" talk regarding the jab than his ability on the field. 

[Scott7975]

21 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

A bit off topic but I don't know why the Bills chose to pick up Brown instead of TYHilton. TY looks pretty good. A much better version of Brown. 

 

Because Brown at least has some experience with Josh Allen.  Apparently our offense is so complicated that Ty wouldnt have been able to play more than a few snaps until 2025.  Even Beasley had only 6 snaps last week and he said the offense is pretty much the same.

[billsfan89]

3 hours ago, 3rdnlng said:

The fact remains that the play calling terminology hasn't really changed under Dorsey. It's the same playbook with a few more wrinkles. Where it differs the most is the importance that is placed on different play types. Beasley had 82 catches for the Bills last year but his average per catch was down. He played through injuries and even played the previous year in the playoffs with a broken leg. He hasn't been out of the league for a year since he had time with the Bucs and now time with the Bills. It's been obvious this year that our offense has been missing Beasley's sure hands and on field awareness of the first down marker.

 

This reply isn't really directed at you but at the few people here who would seem to take pleasure in the chance that Cole performs poorly when called upon. It's sad when people who purport to be Bill's fans seem to want to be right rather than wish for their team's success. From what I saw in the thread here before Beasley was signed it seemed like the majority of the objections to Cole centered more on the media induced "locker room cancer" talk regarding the jab than his ability on the field. 

The offense missed having a reliable slot WR badly. Davis has been a mid-level WR2 and Crowder was supposed to platoon with Mac at the slot but Crowder got hurt and Mac is more of a gadget WR4 player and Shakir has struggled predictably as a rookie. The badly need a reliable slot WR.

 

Brining back Beasley makes sense given the context of the situation. Even if Beasley is just good for 3 catches 30 yards in a playoff game those 2-3 first downs might make the difference. 

 

Even kicking the tires on Brown is worth a shot. But my point is having high expectations for either (esp Brown) is not smart. Both guys are a bit older for the position and have a banged up injury history and neither really stuck with a team this year for a reason even though Beasley got a decent shot with Tampa.

 

I like both moves these are the low risk moderate reward moves to make in season, I just don’t have high expectations. 

[machine gun kelly]

On 12/29/2022 at 5:32 PM, Eastport bills said:

They’re ramping him up for the playoffs. He’ll get more targets this week and more against NE. 

They can only elevate him one more time in the regular season.  That would be a 3rd time.  Once we get into the post season they can elevate him every week while we are still in it.

 

So the decision is do you use him for the tough game against the Bengals, or do we just let him practice and use the Cheats as a tune up game to get him ready.

 

If he has a good week of practice, I’d rather have him for the Bengals.  He’s not what he was in his prime, but he can run a quick 8 yard route and sit on the dump off pass.  He can still get open, but most likely won’t get much YAC.  
 

We’re going to win against the Pats anyway, but we need that safety valve for MNF.  Shakir and McKenzie can handle the Pas after Diggs, Davis, and the RB’s.  Knox continuing to ramp up is critical.

[newcam2012]

9 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Because Brown at least has some experience with Josh Allen.  Apparently our offense is so complicated that Ty wouldnt have been able to play more than a few snaps until 2025.  Even Beasley had only 6 snaps last week and he said the offense is pretty much the same.

Maybe it's me but I see a lot of the same routes being run by the Wrs. TY is very experienced and I'm thinking he would have fit in pretty well. He looks decent in Dallas. 

[3rdnlng]

2 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

The offense missed having a reliable slot WR badly. Davis has been a mid-level WR2 and Crowder was supposed to platoon with Mac at the slot but Crowder got hurt and Mac is more of a gadget WR4 player and Shakir has struggled predictably as a rookie. The badly need a reliable slot WR.

 

Brining back Beasley makes sense given the context of the situation. Even if Beasley is just good for 3 catches 30 yards in a playoff game those 2-3 first downs might make the difference. 

 

Even kicking the tires on Brown is worth a shot. But my point is having high expectations for either (esp Brown) is not smart. Both guys are a bit older for the position and have a banged up injury history and neither really stuck with a team this year for a reason even though Beasley got a decent shot with Tampa.

 

I like both moves these are the low risk moderate reward moves to make in season, I just don’t have high expectations. 

I pretty much agree with you but don't think Beasley was getting a fair chance with the Bucs, so he left them. As I understand it, Brady gave him some crap on the field during a game because they weren't on the same page concerning a route. I'd bet that Cole as a practice player didn't get much time to work with Brady. Anyway, Bill's fans know that he can work very well with a good QB.

[Simon]

On 12/29/2022 at 7:08 PM, strive_for_five_guy said:

Cole is going to be our secret weapon for when we host the Chiefs and brutally blow them!

 

Low blow.