Vikings DB talks about the film study he did on the Bills

[Jerome007]

So the honeymoon is over? Dorsey went from "less stubborn yet as creative as Daboll" to  "he sucks" ha ha.

 

But, this is good stuff. This is great feedback, by a DB from another conference. Heed what he says! This is NOT good. Coaches have to wise up.

[RobbRiddick]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

 

Yeah that Gabe Davis catch was a gift.

 

Just found the Knox play and posted it. I didn’t realize how catchable the ball was. Knox should have ended the game right here. Bummer.

 

 

 

As I said in another thread earlier this week, for all Josh's mistakes the past few weeks, he put this one on the money and his insane 70 yard pass against the Jets was right on the money and catchable as well. If both those receivers make those catches we likely win both games and Josh is being hailed as Mr Clutch

[NewEra]

4 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

We have had our differences, but this is an awesome post. Completely agree and couldn’t have said it better myself. 
 

Digg is elite. End of story. 
 

David is a JAG. His route tree looks like a totem pole.  I say let him play out his rookie deal and draft a high WR this year to replace him in a couple years. 
 

Mckenzie sucks. Period. 
 

Knox is an anomaly. On one hand, he has elite traits, but the other he just can’t put it all together. Hoping he finds the mojo he had last year. 
 

Shakir can be something I think. He can make tough catches and seems to have a good route tree, compared to Davis. He is good at YAC too. 

Davis is not a jag.  That’s an exaggeration.  If he were, we could put anyone out there to do what he does.  We can’t.  He’s one of the better deep ball WRs in the league.  He’s not elite…..but he’s not “just another guy”.  There’s no way you truly believe that.
 

agreed about the rest. 

[whorlnut]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

Davis is not a jag.  That’s an exaggeration.  If he were, we could put anyone out there to do what he does.  We can’t.  He’s one of the better deep ball WRs in the league.  He’s not elite…..but he’s not “just another guy”.  There’s no way you truly believe that.
 

agreed about the rest. 

Maybe a bit harsh, but I also think he’s not as good as we all hoped he was. 

[BigDingus]

1 hour ago, mrags said:

With all that being said, it was a bad throw and late throw by Josh. Of the throw is on, and the timing is on, it’s a TD every single time assuming Gabe catches it. 

 

Since I'm obsessed with the weather news, $10 says Josh has a great game now that it's been moved to a dome & will make those passes with ease this week 😉

[dave mcbride]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

 

Yeah that Gabe Davis catch was a gift.

 

Just found the Knox play and posted it. I didn’t realize how catchable the ball was. Knox should have ended the game right here. Bummer.

 

 

 

That wasn't really catchable -- the DB hit the ball before it even hit Knox's hands. Whoever wrote that doesn't really know what they're talking about. It was also damn good coverage. They let players play in crunch time unless it's blatant, and that wasn't blatant -- just two guys fighting for position. 

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

 

100% agreed. And Davis has had several drops this year. 

 

Here is a photo of the Knox drop. I can’t believe I didn’t notice this during the game. My adrenaline was pumping.

 

The DB had already batted it away. It wasn't a drop.

[billybob71]

wait i thought Bills offense was very complex

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, mrags said:

With all that being said, it was a bad throw and late throw by Josh. Of the throw is on, and the timing is on, it’s a TD every single time assuming Gabe catches it. 

Too bad he didn't at least peek at Morris. That would've been a 1st down inside the 5.  Josh has got to spread it around more. Stop focusing on Diggs/ Davis only.

[mrags]

29 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

 

Since I'm obsessed with the weather news, $10 says Josh has a great game now that it's been moved to a dome & will make those passes with ease this week 😉

I agree 

[Motorin']

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

 

Yeah that Gabe Davis catch was a gift.

 

Just found the Knox play and posted it. I didn’t realize how catchable the ball was. Knox should have ended the game right here. Bummer.

 

 

 

 

This is two games in a row Davis then Knox were interfered with on on key plays at the end of the game where they both could have, and should have forced the refs to throw the flag by fighting harder through the defender. Plant that back foot and launch back towards the ball when you're being draped like that.

[Simon]

21 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

That wasn't really catchable -- the DB hit the ball before it even hit Knox's hands. Whoever wrote that doesn't really know what they're talking about.

 

I think maybe they're suggesting Knox should have had his hands extended instead of trying to catch it with his body.

[Einstein]

23 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

 

The DB had already batted it away. It wasn't a drop.

 

I just watched it in slow mo. The DB never batted it. It did inadvertently graze his arm though. Still fell right into Knox’s lap though.

 

Tough catch, i’ll give you that. 

 

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39 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

 

Since I'm obsessed with the weather news, $10 says Josh has a great game now that it's been moved to a dome & will make those passes with ease this week 😉

 

Here here!

 

I can get behind that!

 

Speak it into existence. Josh is going to have an amazing game!

 

Go Bills!

Edited November 17, 2022 by Einstein

[HappyDays]

35 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

That wasn't really catchable -- the DB hit the ball before it even hit Knox's hands. Whoever wrote that doesn't really know what they're talking about. It was also damn good coverage. They let players play in crunch time unless it's blatant, and that wasn't blatant -- just two guys fighting for position. 

The DB had already batted it away. It wasn't a drop.

 

Tough catch, sure, but makeable. Something our passing offense has been lacking is those difficult clutch plays made by our pass catchers in crunch time. Diggs is the only one that's made those plays at all. Davis against the Jets and Knox against the Vikings had opportunities to make big game-changing catches at the end and couldn't do it. Even Diggs despite making one incredible catch on 3rd and long failed to make a difficult catch on another 3rd and long later in the game. The Vikings won because their guy made catches like that multiple times, come to think of it I don't think a single pass that ended up anywhere in Jefferson's vicinity hit the ground.

[somnus00]

2 hours ago, ddaryl said:

Davis runs the routes that are designed/called. If we are calling plays that are so preditable then the blame goes to the OC, and explains why we are struggling as much as we are

If its this easy then I've got to ask .... WTF Dorsey?

I understand what you're saying. But Davis just isn't a good route runner. He was limited in college as well. It's just who he is. I really like Davis... as a number 3. I didn't understand the belief that he was ready to be our number 2. His route tree is limited. I think Dorsey is asking him to do what he does well. Just my opinion.

[HOUSE]

Let's upgrade to 4

[Einstein]

Just pulled up the most recent route charts for Gabe Davis (they don’t update his every week so this is a few weeks old).

 

The DB for the Vikings has a point. Very little variation m in Davis routes.

 

 

 

And below is Diggs for comparison. 

 

Quite the difference.

 

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

3 hours ago, billsbackto81 said:

If you know Peterson and his interviews you'd know he has no problem taking all the credit when things go well and pushing all the blame when things go bad. 

that sounds like where I work 

[Scott7975]

3 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

Yeah that Gabe Davis catch was a gift.

 

Just found the Knox play and posted it. I didn’t realize how catchable the ball was. Knox should have ended the game right here. Bummer.

 

 

 

 

Yeah he definitely should have caught that.

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, whorlnut said:

Maybe a bit harsh, but I also think he’s not as good as we all hoped he was. 

Maybe a bit harsh.  

 

or

 

💯definitely harsh. 

[JDubya76]

3 hours ago, ddaryl said:

Davis runs the routes that are designed/called. If we are calling plays that are so preditable then the blame goes to the OC, and explains why we are struggling as much as we are

If its this easy then I've got to ask .... WTF Dorsey?

Exactly, he’s predictable in his calls, tape don’t lie. 
 

 

 

 

 

lol, tape, how old do I feel right now

[whorlnut]

49 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Maybe a bit harsh.  

 

or

 

💯definitely harsh. 

Or…maybe you will find fault in anything i say for some reason. 

[streetkings01]

I’m confused……Davis had 6 catches for 93 yards and a TD……Josh passed for 330 yards and we scored 30 points…….what am I missing here?

[NewEra]

26 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

Or…maybe you will find fault in anything i say for some reason. 

Or maybe you’re just minimizing your bad take
 

it WAS 💯 harsh.  

 

it wasn’t MAYBE a bit harsh.  He’s not a jag.  Not even close.  
 

 

Edited November 18, 2022 by NewEra

[whorlnut]

5 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Or maybe you’re just minimizing your bad take
 

it WAS 💯 harsh.  

 

it wasn’t MAYBE a bit harsh.  He’s not a jag.  Not even close.  
 

 

In your opinion. Ok…

[TheyCallMeAndy]

OP knows that’s Patrick freaking Peterson, right? 

[NewEra]

13 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

In your opinion. Ok…

You called him just another guy.  
 

then you saId “maybe a bit harsh” 

 

meaning, it might or might not be harsh. 
 

So, you’re either minimizing it or you’re saying that he is a jag.  That’s not an opinion, that’s what you said.  

[Dr.Sack]

Dorsey is not creative in redzone but all that means is the players need to execute at a higher level. Is that level beyond the threshold of their ability? It appears so, as Davis & Knox struggle to live up to WR2 and TE1 expectations.

[WyoAZBillfan]

7 hours ago, starrymessenger said:

A one handed catch at that. That guy is really special.

Three have catch you mean. Diggs actually DID make a one handed grab that was spectacular as well. 

6 hours ago, RobbRiddick said:

As I said in another thread earlier this week, for all Josh's mistakes the past few weeks, he put this one on the money and his insane 70 yard pass against the Jets was right on the money and catchable as well. If both those receivers make those catches we likely win both games and Josh is being hailed as Mr Clutch

Pads to Davis was not “on the money” or even close. Behind and slow throw, in fact didn’t make it near “the money”. At least of your talking last Minn. throw. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

7 hours ago, Shanahan's Horseshoe said:

How is this Dorsey’s fault if there were multiple options open?  And Davis was open if Josh doesn’t double pump and makes the throw on time.  So Peterson can watch all the film he wants, he was still beat.  

 

 

Josh was trying to get Harrison smith to bite harder on the inside post with the pump…he did but josh seemed to panic that smith was still lurking close enough to make the play so he completely overthought that throw imo. 
 

Davis had Peterson beat and it’s a pretty likely td and an incompletion at worst if the ball led Davis into the end zone

 

funny seeing Peterson say stuff like that because the Vikings defense was an absolute disaster to close out regulation and in OT lol.

I have almost no doubt josh could’ve carried the ball 6 straight times on that ot drive and he’s in the end zone 😂
 

 

 

 

 

[Process]

1 minute ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Josh was trying to get Harrison smith to bite harder on the inside post with the pump…he did but josh seemed to panic that smith was still lurking close enough to make the play so he completely overthought that throw imo. 
 

Davis had Peterson beat and it’s a pretty likely td and an incompletion at worst if the ball led Davis into the end zone

 

funny seeing Peterson say stuff like that because the Vikings defense was an absolute disaster to close out regulation and in OT lol.

I have almost no doubt josh could’ve carried the ball 6 straight times on that ot drive and he’s in the end zone 😂
 

 

 

 

 

He probably could have got a first down easily with his legs on the last play. So frustrating.

[Nextmanup]

I like this guy.  He's the professor of defensive backs.

 

Sounds like our offensive play design leaves a LOT TO BE DESIRED.

 

How can anyone figure out our "red zone concept?"

 

Shouldn't that be different every game?

 

 

[Warriorspikes51]

7 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

We kept the wrong coach. Daboll on his way up and mcdermott on his way out

I see your 3rd post is already making valuable contributions  

[stevestojan]

1 minute ago, SUNY_amherst said:

Must not get a lot of new people here huh

Nope. But when we do, they tend to not make one of their first posts about how McD should go. Try to keep the overreaction bad takes to a minimum you’ll be fine. And don’t try to defend this particularly awful take. 
 

oh and welcome!! 😬

[stevestojan]

Just now, SUNY_amherst said:

 

All opinions should be welcomed

 

sorry to trigger you

Oh I see you’re not letting go of this one and you’re choosing to be that guy. Enjoy your very limited time here, bud. 

Side note, who the ***** still uses “triggered” as a dig? 😂😂😂

 

 

[stevestojan]

1 minute ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

ok then lets cut the garbage and talk about the topic at hand. Are you not concerned that opponents are practically laughing about how they figured out this offense? 

Mildly. It’s disappointing but not shocking since we’ve all watched Davis this season. 
 

But no matter what, jumping from:

 

“Davis doesn’t run unique routes and has been found out” to

 

“Daboll should have been the HC instead of the guy who was a key part of the biggest turnaround in franchise history” is a bit of a stretch for… well, everyone. 
 

Hence, my comment “try to leave overreaction bad takes to a minimum.” 
 

But what do I know, I’m just some triggered guy on the internet. 😂

[Billzgobowlin]

On 11/17/2022 at 3:51 PM, mrags said:

With all that being said, it was a bad throw and late throw by Josh. Of the throw is on, and the timing is on, it’s a TD every single time assuming Gabe catches it. 

It wasn't a bad throw.  It was right where it needed to be but Gabe was supposed to be on the inside.

[Scott7975]

17 hours ago, WyoAZBillfan said:

Three have catch you mean. Diggs actually DID make a one handed grab that was spectacular as well. 

Pads to Davis was not “on the money” or even close. Behind and slow throw, in fact didn’t make it near “the money”. At least of your talking last Minn. throw. 

 

You know that pretty much all deep balls like that the receivers have to adjust to.  He adjusted to it and it went right through his breadbasket.  That was a great throw and a bad drop.  Not an easy catch with the DB on him but one that a receiver should make.

Edited November 18, 2022 by Scott7975

[NewEra]

25 minutes ago, Billzgobowlin said:

It wasn't a bad throw.  It was right where it needed to be but Gabe was supposed to be on the inside.

Link?  Where has this been confirmed?

[Billzgobowlin]

51 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Link?  Where has this been confirmed?

Absolutely nowhere.   Obviously conjecture just like most of the posts on here

[NewEra]

12 minutes ago, Billzgobowlin said:

Absolutely nowhere.   Obviously conjecture just like most of the posts on here

Sorry, not obvious.  You delivered it as though it was fact. I was wondering if someone had said something in a press conference this week.  As if that’s not possible.