Wawrow hints an Internal Issues with the Bills

[Coach Tuesday]

34 minutes ago, vincec said:

The Bills don't have the personnel to run the ball beyond a change of pace, IMO. They're just going to be slamming Singletary against a wall and ending up in 2nd and 3rd and long situations which will lead even more trouble passing.

 

How can that possibly be right?

[pocoboy]

1 hour ago, SectionC3 said:

Good play by Peterson too.  We could have beaten it with the right route from Davis.  But Peterson made a really nice play.  

 

I said in another post, the break point of that route couldn't be more "7th grade linebacker trying a post for the first time". Like no shake, no shimmy, no fake, no nothing. I really think that some of these players think they can get away with "OK" against good talent.

[dorquemada]

1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

How can that possibly be right?

 

Our Best OL should probably bring an ole cape out there to at least make his miserable failure slightly amusing

[AuntieEm]

1 hour ago, Mango said:

I would love to be a fly on the wall and be able to see the play call vs. the play ran.

 

The running game is going. Like 7 different players catch the ball in the first half. 
 

The suddenly…constant shots at the end zone. Target Diggs like 12 times alone in the second half.  Nobody else for 3 targets. Then only run the ball like 4 times.

 

I just need to know who is doing the cocaine at half time? Allen or Dorsey?

 

   Maybe Josh was trying to set Diggs up to have a bigger game than Jefferson.  No other reason to try to force things when you have more weapons.

[boyst]

7 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Sean Payton is the best offensive mind in the world. Yes, he’s an arrogant cokehead. He’s is ABSOLUTELY the answer to getting you over the top. 1000%

i wonder if he wants to coach again. or if he's just enjoying the easy life.

[Alphadawg7]

2 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

If there was an issue, you are the sort of fan who would be the last to accept it.

There were a LOT of die hard Sabres fans at Sabres forums saying "HAVE PATIENCE" until the day Ron Rolston (!) was fired...and they would argue until blue in the face that the organization was in good hands.

That was quite a few coaches ago and many years!  Meanwhile, the Sabres still haven't made the playoffs, likely will not this season, and we are still waiting to get out of the wilderness.

I always think of those Sabres "have patience" posts with freaking Ron Rolston, who is nowhere  close to coaching now in the NHL, and ranks as a Top 3 worst HC in Sabres history.

 

It gets frustrating for those of us who are into reality, objectivity, and just discussing things as they are, regardless of whether or not they are what we would like to be.

 

 

 

Dude you couldn't be more off base.  Just because I stick to facts doesn't make me a denier of facts.  If there is a REAL issue, not some fake made up one by you doom and gloomers, then great, I would accept it.  

 

But you guys in here making up an entirely non existent scenerario from taking a comment at the end of a tweet as some sort coded gospel to what you all want to hear.

 

Again, this is our society.  People like you scour every word to manufacturer something that fits their narrative and actual facts and truth are not taken with face value anymore.  You specifically do this a LOT.  No disrespect, but you do.  You spend 95% of your time on this board trying to find any shred of anything to make something a negative point of view.  

 

To be honest, you need a new schtick.  You might be one of the least objective posters on this entire board.  If it aint negative, you don't like it. 

Edited November 15, 2022 by Alphadawg7

[4merper4mer]

22 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Sean Payton is the best offensive mind in the world. Yes, he’s an arrogant cokehead. He’s is ABSOLUTELY the answer to getting you over the top. 1000%

Then why did the Saints win once, wither and die?

[mrags]

2 hours ago, HoofHearted said:

We hardly ever run draws. Just fyi.

Yeah? Well they did it on Sunday and Singletary was stuck behind the LOS at least once. But that’s besides the point, the point is Singletary is just not good, doesn’t make people miss, and doesn’t have what it takes to be an effective RB in this team, with this OL. 

[Buffalo Junction]

35 minutes ago, mrags said:

Yeah? Well they did it on Sunday and Singletary was stuck behind the LOS at least once. But that’s besides the point, the point is Singletary is just not good, doesn’t make people miss, and doesn’t have what it takes to be an effective RB in this team, with this OL. 

Yup pure trash 🤨 

 

https://youtu.be/VDOIPjdg9_A

Edited November 15, 2022 by Buffalo Junction

[Airseven]

Any internal issues are likely some combination of defensive vets vs. White and Dorsey vs. McDermott. And all would be cured with a couple wins. 

[Scott7975]

19 hours ago, Reed83HOF said:

So 22 of our last 24 plays were passes and then we line up to do this?

I would think players would be pissed at their coaches for putting them in this position - again talk about again letting the D know what is coming..

 

We ran twice out of 24 plays, abandoned the run, have had trouble running up the middle all season long - look at the stack over the middle against team with a strong DL and Harrison Smith. How many times do we get Gabe to push Josh - no wonder he fumbled (doesn't look like a snap issue, but every player on offense knew what was coming) and you have to wonder if they had any confidence in their ability to get out of the EZ

I think most of the reporters end up talking and they obviously can't report everything they know or hear because no one will talk to them ever again...

 

when you start seeing smoke from multiple sources - digg a little bit and try to put the puzzle (clues) together

 

Yeah this is what I have been saying... they dont even want to run the football.  As soon as one run play doesnt work they are done.  It made zero sense to abandon the run.  Every runner gets stuffed.  Even the best backs in the league get stuffed.  The problem with our run game is they dont know how to run the football.  This is on Dorsey.  I know our line doesnt run block well but there are ways to get it done.  Dorsey is just as aggressive as Josh wants to be and this is a problem.

 

I mean wtf? They activated 5 rbs plus a fb for this football game.  Ran well all first half.  barely tried in the second half.  They made a point this year to get a pass catching back in the draft and trade for one of the better pass catching backs in the league and they dont even use these players.  I dont want to hear about how the offense is complicated and rookie this rookie that Hines new to the system.  Get them some ***** plays and use the talent we have.  They dont know how to.  Same with TEs they dont know how to use them.  This is coaching and its all on Dorsey.  He better figure it out fast.

Edited November 15, 2022 by Scott7975

[Einstein]

3 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Yeah this is what I have been saying... they dont even want to run the football.  As soon as one run play doesnt work they are done.  It made zero sense to abandon the run.  Every runner gets stuffed.  Even the best backs in the league get stuffed.  The problem with our run game is they dont know how to run the football.  This is on Dorsey.  I know our line doesnt run block well but there are ways to get it done.  Dorsey is just as aggressive as Josh wants to be and this is a problem.

 

Dorsey called 8 runs in the second half.

 

5 of the 8 went for 1 yard or less.

 

You can’t just keep running into brick walls. You’re wasting a down.

[Scott7975]

Just now, Einstein said:

 

Dorsey called 8 runs in the second half.

 

5 of the 8 went for 1 yard or less.

 

You can’t just keep running into brick walls. You’re wasting a down.

 

So like one or two runs per drive?  I bet mostly on first down yes?  In the first half there was a drive where they ran on 1st down and it got stuffed.  They then ran again on second down and picked up like 8 yards.  I remember this because I commended Dorsey for sticking with the run and not shying away from it in the GDT.  

 

Thats what happens when you commit.  Sometimes you get stuffed for 0-1 yards and sometimes you get through and pick up yardage.  Cant just run on 1st down and call it a day.  They have to mix it up.  When you only run on first down it becomes obvious and easy to defend.  This is a coaching problem.  Dorsey is the problem right now.  Maybe he can fix it but right now he is the problem.

[Scott7975]

18 hours ago, Reed83HOF said:

 

My guess is it is scheme and play calls; possibly poor execution as far as separation from the Cover 1 screen shot and Josh not taking what is there (he is pressing in the end zone)

this is just Josh's nerves  - he really is trying to run it before he has it. Again pressing, nervous etc. It's on him and I would say the coaching staff if they didn't pull him aside to get his focus and mindset right. Help your guy who is struggling right now to stay focused and calm...
 

 

 

 

Doesnt look to me as if Josh is trying to run before he has it.  It looks like he is trying to get the ball that he never got a hold of.

[balln]

I honestly think. Looking at those screen shots. The coaches just don’t know what to do. It’s panic mode. Not situationally aware. McD can talk all he wants about situational football. But we have real evidence from past seasons that he doesn’t manifest this into his players. BB at New England would never have this happened to his team. 100 percent convinced 

 

you come out in a spread formation. Qb under center w a read by Josh 

 

no one over center it’s a qb sneak. 
 

light box / off tackle - rb gets a run 

 

dbs playing off you throw a quick bubble screen

 

dbs playing close you pump a bubble and throw it over the top 

 

 

[Scott7975]

18 hours ago, Reed83HOF said:

This makes me feel better with what I thought I saw at the game in my end zone, Devin wasn't open on the last play until it was too late
 

 

 

 

Yes I showed a screen shot from the sideline view showing this a couple times now.  The response I got was.... Josh should have known where Singletary would be and waited for it.  Lol some people man.

Edited November 15, 2022 by Scott7975

[Einstein]

10 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

So like one or two runs per drive?  I bet mostly on first down yes?  In the first half there was a drive where they ran on 1st down and it got stuffed.  They then ran again on second down and picked up like 8 yards.  I remember this because I commended Dorsey for sticking with the run and not shying away from it in the GDT.  

 

Thats what happens when you commit.  Sometimes you get stuffed for 0-1 yards and sometimes you get through and pick up yardage.  Cant just run on 1st down and call it a day.  They have to mix it up.  When you only run on first down it becomes obvious and easy to defend.  This is a coaching problem.  Dorsey is the problem right now.  Maybe he can fix it but right now he is the problem.

 

What you’re advocating for is to waste downs in the hope that we eventually break a run.

 

That’s just not efficient in my opinion.

[Scott7975]

4 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

What you’re advocating for is to waste downs in the hope that we eventually break a run.

 

That’s just not efficient in my opinion.

 

Ok so we should never run the football?  Its not a wasted down.  You seem to think rbs never get stuffed.  Even the best get stuffed. Should they stop running the football too?

 

We ran on first down and got stuffed. We ran again on second down and picked up 8 yards.  Was that a wasted down?

Edited November 15, 2022 by Scott7975

[HoofHearted]

2 hours ago, mrags said:

Yeah? Well they did it on Sunday and Singletary was stuck behind the LOS at least once. But that’s besides the point, the point is Singletary is just not good, doesn’t make people miss, and doesn’t have what it takes to be an effective RB in this team, with this OL. 

Yeah, he looks horrible here. I assume you think this is "shotgun draw" as well?

[Scott7975]

2 minutes ago, HoofHearted said:

Yeah, he looks horrible here. I assume you think this is "shotgun draw" as well?

 

People never cease to amaze me.  Singletary makes a lot of good plays.  He just doesnt get the opportunity as other backs do. Yet there are always people that think he sucks.  He doesnt.

[Einstein]

11 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

We ran on first down and got stuffed. We ran again on second down and picked up 8 yards.  Was that a wasted down?

 

Yes - when you are getting stuffed 63% of the time, it is a wasted time.

 

The Bills averaged 6.8 yards per play on Sunday. Every time they got stuffed (which was 63% of the time in the second half), they were losing 6.8 yards per play (on an average basis).

 

 

[Scott7975]

4 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Yes - when you are getting stuffed 63% of the time, it is a wasted time.

 

The Bills averaged 6.8 yards per play on Sunday. Every time they got stuffed (which was 63% of the time in the second half), they were losing 6.8 yards per play (on an average basis).

 

 

 

How many yards did they lose on an incomplete pass or an interception?  How about the 13 yard sack on 3rd and 1? Should they stop passing the football when that happens?  Those are wasted downs too right?

Edited November 15, 2022 by Scott7975

[Einstein]

1 minute ago, Scott7975 said:

 

How many yards did they lose on an incomplete pass or an interception?  How about the 13 yard sack on 3rd and 1? Should they stop passing the football when that happens?  Those are wasted downs too right?

 

No - because 63% of Allen’s dropbacks don’t end in a sack or incompletion.

 

He’s throwing what? 67% for the year? That means there is only a “stuff” (to compare it to the run game) on 33% or so of his pass attempts.

 

Compare that to being stuffed in the run game 63% of the time in the second half.

 

What is more appealing to you - succeeding 67% of the time or failing 63% of the time?

 

You mentioned 3rd and 1. Do you know Singletaries yards per carry on 3rd and 3 or less for the season? 0.7 yards per carry. Less than 1 yard per carry. 

 

When you include 2nd AND 3rd down with 3 or less yards to go, his ypc is 1.9 ypc.

We are simply not a good running team you. You can call run plays until the cows come home and that’s not going to change.

 

 

[PauleeeWalnuts]

10 hours ago, Arkady Renko said:

How many times did Andy Reid fail in the big games before he succeeded? Funny that he’s now considered to be a clutch coach now. 

He always beats is when it matters 

[LabattBlue]

So where is Mr. Vague?

[Son of a K-Gun]

1 hour ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Doesnt look to me as if Josh is trying to run before he has it.  It looks like he is trying to get the ball that he never got a hold of.

 

I agree, Josh wasn't trying to run before he had the ball...it was just a muffed snap.  The problem came after the snap was muffed and Gabe pushed Josh as he was trying to fall on the ball.

[Billsforumsucks]

On 11/14/2022 at 8:09 AM, SCBills said:

Winning cures all. 

These are highly competitive people. 
 

When L’s start showing up on the ledger, lots of teams have internal issues that come to life.  
 

Just a matter of how toxic the issues truly are. 
 

*A worry of mine would be trust in the coaching staff.  As a player, seeing the types of losses we have had, and factoring in 13 seconds.  At some point, do you you tune them out because you don’t think they’re good at their job.  At 6-1, no problem.  6-3… and another ridiculous loss… yea, I don’t know if I want to hear Frazier or McDermott talking to me about how I need to focus on fundamentals … why don’t y’all?
 

Probably the coaches complaining that the players suck, like the QB constantly losing the game week after week or the stupid DB not knocking the ball down or the QB forcing them to go for it on 4th and 2 when a FG wins the game, but hey you have your perspective or the OC telling the QB to take the checkdown but instead throws the game losing INT.

[Billever76]

On 11/14/2022 at 7:45 AM, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

McDermott hired beane, not the other way around.

 

Maybe so but bean can fire McDermott 

[london_bills]

Wouldn't be surprised if it's a beane/mcdermott thing

[Billznut]

5 minutes ago, Billever76 said:

Maybe so but bean can fire McDermott 

You’ve seen the wording in their respective contracts?  There is ZERO chance that Beane can fire McD. The only person on the planet that can fire McD is Terry Pegula. Don’t hold your breath on that happening. 

[Governor]

On 11/14/2022 at 8:03 AM, Dan Darragh said:

I'd like to know what Pam Oliver was talking about before the game, that Sean says that he couldn't really answer the question about what went into the decision to start Josh, "that would be unfair" and "the matter is complicated." Then she was quoting anonymous sources about how Josh looked in Friday practice.  What's going on here?

Sounds like a meddling owner to me. Josh went over McD’s head to ownership so he could start. Boom!

[london_bills]

1 minute ago, Governor said:

Sounds like a meddling owner to me. Josh went over McD’s head to ownership so he could start. Boom!

The owner thing crossed my mind but I can't imagine pegula is like that 

[McBean]

15 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I think that you should stay.

If the Bills don’t win the Super Bowl, they should hire Sean Payton. I said that before the year and believe it more than ever. The window is open and they aren’t playing well. They lose a zillion close games, make mistakes and generally don’t look prepared. This isn’t a “prisoner of the moment” thing either. I’m on record, before this season, with my desire for Payton if they don’t win. Doug Collins is the PERFECT comparison!! Well done

Amen brother.

 

For those who know me personally, I was begging to keep Daboll and let McDermott go this past offseason.

 

Makes me sick knowing we kept McClappy over him

[Reed83HOF]

3 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Yeah this is what I have been saying... they dont even want to run the football.  As soon as one run play doesnt work they are done.  It made zero sense to abandon the run.  Every runner gets stuffed.  Even the best backs in the league get stuffed.  The problem with our run game is they dont know how to run the football.  This is on Dorsey.  I know our line doesnt run block well but there are ways to get it done.  Dorsey is just as aggressive as Josh wants to be and this is a problem.

 

I mean wtf? They activated 5 rbs plus a fb for this football game.  Ran well all first half.  barely tried in the second half.  They made a point this year to get a pass catching back in the draft and trade for one of the better pass catching backs in the league and they dont even use these players.  I dont want to hear about how the offense is complicated and rookie this rookie that Hines new to the system.  Get them some ***** plays and use the talent we have.  They dont know how to.  Same with TEs they dont know how to use them.  This is coaching and its all on Dorsey.  He better figure it out fast.

I havent gone this far yet, but there are times it feels like on offense specifically there is a disconnect between McD and the offensive coaching staff and what Beane brings in for the very reason you mention above. It is even more difficult to understand that you have a HC who says they want to run more effectively, we get said players and they don't play. We dress 5 or 6 RBs and they only play for one half.

 

This isn't tied to just Dorsey, it happened with Daboll too. Does the offensive staff not care about what Sean says?

[Kirby Jackson]

5 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

Then why did the Saints win once, wither and die?

They weren’t very good. I lived in New Orleans for his entire run. I know that team, the organization, and situation well. Payton is a SPECTACULAR football coach. He’s an offensive genius with an arrogance to match. He’s a d-bag as a guy (although players liked him). 

6 hours ago, boyst said:

i wonder if he wants to coach again. or if he's just enjoying the easy life.

He is too arrogant. He definitely wants to coach again.

[SinceThe70s]

1 hour ago, Billznut said:

You’ve seen the wording in their respective contracts?  There is ZERO chance that Beane can fire McD. The only person on the planet that can fire McD is Terry Pegula. Don’t hold your breath on that happening. 

 

Have you seen the wording in their respective contracts? If so, please share.  If you can't share please explain why there is ZERO chance.

[Mr. WEO]

6 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Sean Payton is the best offensive mind in the world. Yes, he’s an arrogant cokehead. He’s is ABSOLUTELY the answer to getting you over the top. 1000%

 

15 seasons, 9 playoff appearances, 9 wins.

 

won a Sb way back in 2009.  would only win 5 playoff games in the following 11 seasons.  

 

over the top of what?  

[Reed83HOF]

 

So more coaching from the offensive side of the ball. Can we infer that the HC as a defensive minded coach, might not understand these nuances enough to be able to help the offensive coaches and players?

 

[LABILLBACKER]

2 hours ago, Billever76 said:

Maybe so but bean can fire McDermott 

Who reports to who on this team. Who is the one that thinks he's in charge?

[Kirby Jackson]

13 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

15 seasons, 9 playoff appearances, 9 wins.

 

won a Sb way back in 2009.  would only win 5 playoff games in the following 11 seasons.  

 

over the top of what?  

Again, as someone that followed it closely, Sean Payton was worth 2 wins (minimum) per year. He won a Super Bowl as well (with an onside kick to start the 2nd half). Sean Payton is the greatest offensive coach in the world. He, ABSOLUTELY, elevated that team. I’m not trying to be dismissive but I know the Saints way better than 99.999% of this board.