Wawrow hints an Internal Issues with the Bills

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5 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

Did you ever write about Josh putting his foot down? I've never heard that specific story. Sounds like it would've been a memorable one.

 

I remember you asking in multiple press conferences about the vaxx issues and the team giving you the same answers every time, not giving you any interesting sound bites, but you kept beating that dead horse. And now you're still at it.

 

You were the only reporter who kept pushing it every week in hopes of getting something juicy. I think the players were more tired of fans and media shoving this non-issue down their throats. Beasley and the vaxx stuff was distracting, but didn't "almost tear the team apart." That's so dramatic.

 

Keep working at getting to the bottom of that delicious hint. I'm sure you'll find something.

☝️

Was, I. goatski 

Every week?

Is that a fact or something you pulled out of your behind?

Prove it with how many questions I asked about vaxxing.

Or how about this, I’ll give you the over-under of 10.

 

And I maintain that the slump last season directly coincided with a vaxxing debate that continued on in the room until Allen finally out his foot down during the Tampa Bay halftime, which coincidentally led to the Bills finally getting back on track.

 

If you have proof it didn’t happen, please come ahead with it?

 

You won’t and simply provide something to move this conversation sideways or nowhere.

Good luck with that.

[Malazan]

10 minutes ago, john wawrow said:

You won’t and simply provide something to move this conversation sideways or nowhere.

 

Do you have proof it did? Asking people to prove a negative is silly. 

[WEATHER DOT COM]

13 minutes ago, john wawrow said:

Was, I. goatski 

Every week?

Is that a fact or something you pulled out of your behind?

Prove it with how many questions I asked about vaxxing.

Or how about this, I’ll give you the over-under of 10.

 

And I maintain that the slump last season directly coincided with a vaxxing debate that continued on in the room until Allen finally out his foot down during the Tampa Bay halftime, which coincidentally led to the Bills finally getting back on track.

 

If you have proof it didn’t happen, please come ahead with it?

 

You won’t and simply provide something to move this conversation sideways or nowhere.

Good luck with that.

 

Can you share the story about Josh putting his foot down at half time of the Bucs game regarding that vaxx issue? I read all the Bills content I can get my hands on and that is brand new. Please go on.

[CincyBillsFan]

4 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

The Dolphins loss I fully attribute to injuries/heat exhaustion. The Jets loss is more on Allen. The Vikings loss I blame mostly on coaching. The fact that we've won some of the games we have with such a high point differential despite the injury issues is a testament to how well the coaching staff has prepared everyone on the roster from the top down. Dorsey in particular has been a weak link over the past couple games and doesn't really have excuses. McDermott and Frazier have been handicapped by roster attrition.

 

 

I disagree.  Sure Allen contributed but the main blame should fall on the defense when it couldn't make stops at key moments of the game most notably after the Bills took a 14 - 3 lead and in the 4th quarter when the Bills pinned the Jets back at their own 4 yard line.  The fact is that the Bill's O was going up against the Jets strength - a very good defense.  In contrast the Bill's D was asked to shut down a bad Jets offense and they didn't.

 

 

6 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Like I said.........I don't know what the common denominator that causes this each season is..........but that's as reasonable of a guess as any IMO.

 

As for Allen recently.........he's been looking like a guy whose head has been elsewhere since the bye so the barstool speculation has included perhaps Allen got some unwanted or bad news during the bye.   I will do my best JW and leave it at that. 

So this "bad news" only impacts Allen in the 2nd half?  Because in the last 3 games Allen has been outstanding in the first half.

 

 

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

11 minutes ago, john wawrow said:

Was, I. goatski 

Every week?

Is that a fact or something you pulled out of your behind?

Prove it with how many questions I asked about vaxxing.

Or how about this, I’ll give you the over-under of 10.

 

And I maintain that the slump last season directly coincided with a vaxxing debate that continued on in the room until Allen finally out his foot down during the Tampa Bay halftime, which coincidentally led to the Bills finally getting back on track.

 

If you have proof it didn’t happen, please come ahead with it?

 

You won’t and simply provide something to move this conversation sideways or nowhere.

Good luck with that.

 

The timeline here seems wonky to me. The incidents that would've caused the most drama over vaxx debate happened in the offseason (Beane's interview where he would take a vaxxed player over an unvaxxed) or early during the season (Beasley's twitter escapades and complaining about booing from Bills fans happened by early October). 

 

Why would vaxx issues suddenly bubble over in the middle of the season ?

 

 

[Warriorspikes51]

24 minutes ago, john wawrow said:

Was, I. goatski 

Every week?

Is that a fact or something you pulled out of your behind?

Prove it with how many questions I asked about vaxxing.

Or how about this, I’ll give you the over-under of 10.

 

And I maintain that the slump last season directly coincided with a vaxxing debate that continued on in the room until Allen finally out his foot down during the Tampa Bay halftime, which coincidentally led to the Bills finally getting back on track.

 

If you have proof it didn’t happen, please come ahead with it?

 

You won’t and simply provide something to move this conversation sideways or nowhere.

Good luck with that.

Where is your proof it did happen?  
 

“with how many questions I asked about vaxxing” 

“I maintain that the slump last season directly  coincided with a vaxxing debate”

 

So to sum up…

 

in your imagination, just because you kept bringing up the topic….it was therefore a massive issue in the room? 

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2 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Where is your proof it did happen?  
 

“with how many questions I asked about vaxxing” 

“I maintain that the slump last season directly  coincided with a vaxxing debate”

 

So to sum up…

 

in your imagination, just because you kept bringing up the topic….it was therefore a massive issue in the room? 

 

Really makes me second-guess why I even participate on this board, given that everyone has all the answers already.

 

More than likely my last post.

 

 

 

[Warriorspikes51]

5 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

Did you ever write about Josh putting his foot down? I've never heard that specific story. Sounds like it would've been a memorable one.

 

I remember you asking in multiple press conferences about the vaxx issues and the team giving you the same answers every time, not giving you any interesting sound bites, but you kept beating that dead horse. And now you're still at it.

 

You were the only reporter who kept pushing it every week in hopes of getting something juicy. I think the players were more tired of fans and media shoving this non-issue down their throats. Beasley and the vaxx stuff was distracting, but didn't "almost tear the team apart." That's so dramatic.

 

Keep working at getting to the bottom of that delicious hint. I'm sure you'll find something.

☝️

Josh “putting his foot down” had nothing to do with a Vaxx issue that reporters wanted to harp on. It was everything to do with on field performance. Josh took leadership and command of the team related to FOOTBALL

 

 

4 minutes ago, john wawrow said:

 

Really makes me second-guess why I even participate on this board, given that everyone has all the answers already.

 

More than likely my last post.

 

 

 

Really? If what you’re saying is true….where is the proof? Why hasn’t anyone else brought this up (like during the offseason) 

 

instead you’re on here telling posters to disprove your theories

[Putin]

On 11/14/2022 at 7:12 AM, 716 said:

McBeane is not the one tossing up redzone interceptions like dollars in a strip club

 

When you are the only one who carries the offense staff like that  happens 

[Reed83HOF]

4 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

I can't think of a single time being aggressive has helped the team this year. Against the Chiefs it in fact cost us twice, but luckily they weren't able to capitalize on it.

 

I don't trust the analytics charts that claim to prove which teams make good decisions on 4th down. They just started popping up one day and everyone took them as gospel. I believe that you should always take points or field position until it becomes obvious that you need to be aggressive. I know that is an unpopular opinion these days but I have seen it happen more times than not where overly aggressive coaches have actually hurt their team. I get being overly aggressive if you have a young/rebuilding team that is clearly inferior to your opponent most weeks, like the Giants under Daboll. It makes sense to get a team like that some early confidence that they can match up against a superior roster, but our roster is well beyond that point. The Patriots have done it the right way every time for two decades, they just let the game come to them. Brandon Staley thought he would revolutionize the game and instead he is on the hot seat. I guess I'm a little bit old school on that point.

You are right in regards that there are nuances involved in it. Just because the numbers say go for it, you have to look at what's going on in the game and how the battles are playing out, especially on the line. In this game going for it on 4th and 2 and to go up 3 scores relieves a lot of pressure on the defense. If anything should be concerning it's that we could get 2 yards on 2nd down, 3rd down or 4th down, especially since we were moving the ball before then...

 

Staley can be a bit reckless lol

3 hours ago, pocoboy said:

The question becomes, “How does this become an internal struggle?” 
 

The easiest answer? Maybe Tre should have been expected to be in better shape upon emerging from the PUP, and maybe he wasn’t. That might make a bunch of players pissed, especially ones who may be fighting injury themselves.

 

Definitely speculation…but that seems a lot more likely than “oh his knee isn’t letting him do this or that.” 

I was at camp, tre was in shape and to be honest looked great doing the drills and rehab he was working on, change of direction, splits, run stop pivot and turn and straight up sprinting.

 

I do believe it is a confidence in it and the thought of not want to reinjure it. It can definitely be hard to get out of your head at times. With the way he was speaking in his interview a couple weeks back, this is very likely the case imo...

[boyst]

55 minutes ago, WEATHER DOT COM said:

 

Can you share the story about Josh putting his foot down at half time of the Bucs game regarding that vaxx issue? I read all the Bills content I can get my hands on and that is brand new. Please go on.

Not sure if you know who John is. If you've read anything Bills. You've read him. He's the AP reporter for WNY sports. Great dude...But he's Canadian. 😝

42 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Where is your proof it did happen?  
 

“with how many questions I asked about vaxxing” 

“I maintain that the slump last season directly  coincided with a vaxxing debate”

 

So to sum up…

 

in your imagination, just because you kept bringing up the topic….it was therefore a massive issue in the room? 

I'm not saying you need to kiss the guys ring. I'm not saying he's right 100% of the time on his views but what he is sharing is not a view. 

 

This guy is paid to write about the bills. Has players on speed dial. Is connected to every sports coverage personality in WNY and beyond. If he is saying things openly, in the public that's pretty remarkable 

[WEATHER DOT COM]

3 minutes ago, boyst said:

Not sure if you know who John is. If you've read anything Bills. You've read him. He's the AP reporter for WNY sports. Great dude...But he's Canadian. 😝

I'm not saying you need to kiss the guys ring. I'm not saying he's right 100% of the time on his views but what he is sharing is not a view. 

 

This guy is paid to write about the bills. Has players on speed dial. Is connected to every sports coverage personality in WNY and beyond. If he is saying things openly, in the public that's pretty remarkable 

 

Indeed. I know who John is which is why I would love to learn more about this story. He's a good writer with good perspective. 

[boyst]

1 hour ago, Malazan said:

 

Do you have proof it did? Asking people to prove a negative is silly. 

You don't need to ask him for proof. He is proof. 

[Warriorspikes51]

6 minutes ago, boyst said:

You don't need to ask him for proof. He is proof. 

Why is he proof? Because he’s seen as a good reporter? Maybe he is.  
 

That doesn’t make something true simply because someone reports it

[Richard Noggin]

Allen and Diggs vs the rest of the team's targets? (Hate that I'd even entertain such clickbait-y teasing from a journalist.)

[Einstein]

52 minutes ago, john wawrow said:

 

Really makes me second-guess why I even participate on this board, given that everyone has all the answers already.

 

More than likely my last post.

 

I appreciate your contributions John, and hope this isn’t your last post. That being said, you didn’t really give us many answers. You hinted and then played coy.

[Sweet Lou]

48 minutes ago, john wawrow said:

 

Really makes me second-guess why I even participate on this board, given that everyone has all the answers already.

 

More than likely my last post.

 

 

 

Some of us do not have all the answers John and you might know who we are.  We are the one's who remain silent while we gather all the evidence.  When it's time, we weigh all the evidence; then we make a decision based on the evidence.  Reasons to speculate on your post vary, but it's what people do.  It's entertainment, although it should remain civil.  The angry posters here that get under your skin, see something in you that they truly dislike about themselves.

 

What that dislike is, I am not certain.  I do not know them.  However, you are close to the team, the coaches, the players and the every day employees who work at the stadium.  As a fan of the team and being on the outside looking in, some of them may just be envious of your position and they voice their ire to sooth their own discontent.  So don't leave because of a few angry posters.

 

 

 

 

[Reed83HOF]

1 hour ago, john wawrow said:

 

Really makes me second-guess why I even participate on this board, given that everyone has all the answers already.

 

More than likely my last post.

 

 

 

You are appreciated here by a majority of the posters, aholes on this board has CHASEd off many fine posters and reporters. Know that most of us hope you reconsider

[mrags]

1 hour ago, john wawrow said:

 

Really makes me second-guess why I even participate on this board, given that everyone has all the answers already.

 

More than likely my last post.

 

 

 

John, 

you just need to understand that the majority of the people on this board hide behind a keyboard and they still haven’t made it out of their mommy’s basement yet. When you realize that, you will understand the people trying to argue with you. You are the one with inside knowledge of the situations at OBD. 

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Nah.

Here’s the deal.

It’s tough enough wading through all the ***** I do on Twitter.

 

I’ve been on here for a long time (but not so much of late), and have occasionally been asked to share some insight.

Here, given how much of time passed from last season, I thought I’d share something about something you folks might be interested in that I’ve come across but really doesn’t impact THIS season.

 

So I shared and found out that this is board is a lot like the experience of engaging with all the ***** on Twitter.

 

So call me thin-skinned, call me a ***** #######, or tell me that I suck, or don’t know anything, I’ll be fine with it, because it’s all been directed at me on the Twitter.

Thing is, I don’t need to go through it twice. 

So this IS my last post.

 

See ya.

[billsfanmiamioh]

Going with the Timmah exit, how original…😂

[Einstein]

5 minutes ago, john wawrow said:

Nah.

Here’s the deal.

It’s tough enough wading through all the ***** I do on Twitter.

 

I’ve been on here for a long time (but not so much of late), and have occasionally been asked to share some insight.

Here, given how much of time passed from last season, I thought I’d share something about something you folks might be interested in that I’ve come across but really doesn’t impact THIS season.

 

So I shared and found out that this is board is a lot like the experience of engaging with all the ***** on Twitter.

 

So call me thin-skinned, call me a ***** #######, or tell me that I suck, or don’t know anything, I’ll be fine with it, because it’s all been directed at me on the Twitter.

Thing is, I don’t need to go through it twice. 

So this IS my last post.

 

See ya.

 

I for on appreciate you telling us about Josh putting his foot down. I had not known that before.

[strive_for_five_guy]

2 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

I for on appreciate you telling us about Josh putting his foot down. I had not known that before.

But what does Josh “putting his foot down” even mean, in relation to the purported vax issues, and how was that impacting their play on the field at that point?  Did Josh have some dramatic speech that the team rallied around?

[jahnyc]

I get it that many posters may think they have the answers to everything, but the one thing that is clearly true is that we have very few (maybe no) posters that have real insider information.  What this board does have is a large number of users that are very loyal and passionate fans of the Buffalo Bills.  That is what almost all of us that post and read the posts on this board have in common.  For this reason,  I would encourage Mr. Wawrow to continue with his posting on this forum rather than Twitter, where the audience is not necessarily made up of dedicated fans of the Bills.  I do understand that there are posters that are uncivil towards you and other posters, and I do not condone or personally have any control over that, but what we do need is real insight, and even tidbits, about what may be going on with the Bills, the players, the coaches, the front office and the owners.

 

Please do not penalize the majority of posters on this board that appreciate any information regarding the team that is shared by posters with real knowledge.

[BillsShredder83]

52 minutes ago, john wawrow said:

Nah.

Here’s the deal.

It’s tough enough wading through all the ***** I do on Twitter.

 

I’ve been on here for a long time (but not so much of late), and have occasionally been asked to share some insight.

Here, given how much of time passed from last season, I thought I’d share something about something you folks might be interested in that I’ve come across but really doesn’t impact THIS season.

 

So I shared and found out that this is board is a lot like the experience of engaging with all the ***** on Twitter.

 

So call me thin-skinned, call me a ***** #######, or tell me that I suck, or don’t know anything, I’ll be fine with it, because it’s all been directed at me on the Twitter.

Thing is, I don’t need to go through it twice. 

So this IS my last post.

 

See ya.

Theres nothing this guy knows that a dozen other Bills related reporters wouldnt know first, so Im not going to hold my breath over whatever it is you're claiming to know.  Its obvious the players dont like JW, seriously watch their demeanor as he Doug Whaleys his way through an unclear question.  He'll claim he asks the hard questions, but he asks the dumb questions. Things that no player/coach is going to take the bait on, or that ends with them saying something along the lines of "Im not understanding the question."

 

Also the teenage girl antics of - fine, then I'll just leave you'll be better off without me - is so eye roll.  Dress professionally. The kid in class with his hand in the air and doesnt know what he wants to ask. The people falling for your bit either arent familiar with your schtick, or think you have some insider info, that you've never delivered before.

 

byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

 

EDIT: hop on twitter after this post and lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

 

 

Edited November 17, 2022 by BillsShredder83

[LeGOATski]

4 hours ago, john wawrow said:

Was, I. goatski 

Every week?

Is that a fact or something you pulled out of your behind?

Prove it with how many questions I asked about vaxxing.

Or how about this, I’ll give you the over-under of 10.

 

And I maintain that the slump last season directly coincided with a vaxxing debate that continued on in the room until Allen finally out his foot down during the Tampa Bay halftime, which coincidentally led to the Bills finally getting back on track.

 

If you have proof it didn’t happen, please come ahead with it?

 

You won’t and simply provide something to move this conversation sideways or nowhere.

Good luck with that.

Didn't pull it out of my behind. Last time I got into a back-and-forth on here with you was because of that. It was a number of PCs in a row, but I'll bet the under.

 

I'd love to read that story. If you have proof it happened, please come ahead with it?

 

Halftime at Tampa was definitely a big moment for the team.

[LeGOATski]

3 hours ago, boyst said:

Not sure if you know who John is. If you've read anything Bills. You've read him. He's the AP reporter for WNY sports. Great dude...But he's Canadian. 😝

I'm not saying you need to kiss the guys ring. I'm not saying he's right 100% of the time on his views but what he is sharing is not a view. 

 

This guy is paid to write about the bills. Has players on speed dial. Is connected to every sports coverage personality in WNY and beyond. If he is saying things openly, in the public that's pretty remarkable 

When the vaxx issues were going on he asked the players directly about it multiple times and they denied what he was claiming. It became very annoying. He didn't get his story, but continues to claim it was valid. No one needs to simply accept his claims. If he had a story with valid sources and wrote about it, then that's acceptable for sure.

[mrags]

Way to go people. Another person with insider info on the board gone. Lori, Tim Graham, JW. 
 

maybe the insiders just realize that Bills Mafia ain’t everything it’s cracked up to be. Bunch of know it alls that actually don’t have any information at all of what happens at OBD, but want to question people that actually have access in the building. I swear if Beane was here there would be people refusing to listen to his thoughts on things. 
 

way to go. Made this place a better day today 

[Buffalo Junction]

8 hours ago, mrags said:

Finding one good RB is a lot asker and cheaper than finding multiple OLmen just saying 

It is. I just don’t believe one good RB can overcome how poor the interior Oline is at getting push on inside runs. That said, I’d certainly prefer that they grab an offensive lineman or two in the first two rounds instead of a DE. A battering ram of a RB wouldn’t hurt in their committee approach either. 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

8 hours ago, john wawrow said:

 

Really makes me second-guess why I even participate on this board, given that everyone has all the answers already.

 

More than likely my last post.

 

 

 

Thank you for blessing us with your presence 🙏 

[LeGOATski]

1 minute ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Thank you for blessing us with your presence 🙏 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

4 hours ago, mrags said:

Way to go people. Another person with insider info on the board gone. Lori, Tim Graham, JW. 
 

maybe the insiders just realize that Bills Mafia ain’t everything it’s cracked up to be. Bunch of know it alls that actually don’t have any information at all of what happens at OBD, but want to question people that actually have access in the building. I swear if Beane was here there would be people refusing to listen to his thoughts on things. 
 

way to go. Made this place a better day today 

Lol it'll be ok I promise.

[RunTheBall]

This isn’t an airport. You don’t have to announce your departure.

 

That being said, this board has had access to a number of legitimate Bills insiders and have chased off every one of them because a number of idiots on here have no way to frame a question without being inflammatory or aggressive or take advantage of the access to take personal shots in order to make themselves feel better.

 

Frankly I wouldn’t bother with this place either if I were connected with the Bills

[Coach Tuesday]

Lots of blame to go around on this one.

[Franco_92]

6 hours ago, mrags said:

Way to go people. Another person with insider info on the board gone. Lori, Tim Graham, JW. 
 

maybe the insiders just realize that Bills Mafia ain’t everything it’s cracked up to be. Bunch of know it alls that actually don’t have any information at all of what happens at OBD, but want to question people that actually have access in the building. I swear if Beane was here there would be people refusing to listen to his thoughts on things. 
 

way to go. Made this place a better day today 

jw does this exact same dramatic ***** on this board and the hockey one all the time lol

[pocoboy]

10 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

in your imagination, just because you kept bringing up the topic….it was therefore a massive issue in the room? 

 

Do you and these others really need to be educated on how reporting works? It's an intelligence game. If you don't think there weren't players, coaches, or other staffers sharing their feelings privately about what was causing the Bills' funk, then that's fine, lots of delusional people roaming the states right now. It's a symbiotic relationship...now you could argue that taking that inside info & thrusting it out in the open in pressers may have added stress to the situation, maybe even bringing it to a head, and I could listen to that. But perhaps it also had the desired effect, if they decided to put it all out in the open down in Tampa and set aside their differences for the betterment of the team.

 

But it would be career suicide for a reporter to conjure up a false narrative for personal gain, and would leave the reporter open to possible ramifications from the team themselves. Does it ever happen? Probably, but I really don't think the potential gain for JW would be worth the risk.

Edited November 17, 2022 by pocoboy

[teef]

there's a lot of man tantrums going on in here.

[Warriorspikes51]

8 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

I for on appreciate you telling us about Josh putting his foot down. I had not known that before.

Josh speaking to the team at halftime of the Bucs game was mentioned last season....at the time it was talked about as regarding on field performance relating to football and their standard. It was Josh taking command of the team.  

[mrags]

5 hours ago, Buffalo Junction said:

It is. I just don’t believe one good RB can overcome how poor the interior Oline is at getting push on inside runs. That said, I’d certainly prefer that they grab an offensive lineman or two in the first two rounds instead of a DE. A battering ram of a RB wouldn’t hurt in their committee approach either. 

I have serious doubt they will draft any offensive talent in early rounds at all this year. Maybe ever. But we will need a replacement for Poyer and Hyde next year. Probably Edmunds and Oliver as well. And looks like they whiffed on AJ Epenesa so they will probably replace him too. 

[Teddy KGB]

6 hours ago, mrags said:

Way to go people. Another person with insider info on the board gone. Lori, Tim Graham, JW. 
 

maybe the insiders just realize that Bills Mafia ain’t everything it’s cracked up to be. Bunch of know it alls that actually don’t have any information at all of what happens at OBD, but want to question people that actually have access in the building. I swear if Beane was here there would be people refusing to listen to his thoughts on things. 
 

way to go. Made this place a better day today 

lmao, no one misses Tim Graham