Wawrow hints an Internal Issues with the Bills

[mrags]

2 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Lol it'll be ok I promise.

 

50 minutes ago, arcane said:

jw does this exact same dramatic ***** on this board and the hockey one all the time lol

You’re missing the point of my post. There probably aren’t too many fan bases on message boards that have inside info of the team. Reading JWs articles is different from having that knowledge available to us. I can say I have talked to Lori, TG, and JW personally on multiple occasions, messaged them on others, with questions about the team or about how something and how it works and they have been plenty helpful. I’m sore I’m not the only one. And people here want to argue with his personal professional opinion because they think they know more than someone who’s in that locker room at the very least every single Sunday. Comical. The keyboard mafia knows more though I guess. 

2 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

lmao, no one misses Tim Graham 

Missing the point 

Edited November 17, 2022 by mrags

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, mrags said:

 

You’re missing the point of my post. There probably aren’t too many fan bases on message boards that have inside info of the team. Reading JWs articles is different from having that knowledge available to us. I can say I have talked to Lori, TG, and JW personally on mailrooms occasions, messaged them on others, with questions about the team or about how something and how it works and they have been plenty helpful. I’m sore I’m not the only one. And people here want to argue with his personal professional opinion because they think they know more than someone who’s in that locker room at the very least every single Sunday. Comical. The keyboard mafia knows more though I guess. 

 

What invaluable insight did he provide in this situation? Names were not named, nothing concrete.

 

 

[mrags]

Just now, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

 

What invaluable insight did he provide in this situation? Names were not named, nothing concrete.

 

 

Has nothing to do with this situation and everything to do with the keyboard gangsters driving away another inside source. Again, missing my point. We had that available us. A stupid message board. Not many other places would get that kind of info. One of the reasons this place was so great. Now that’s gone. Just like others in the past. Seems like less and less this message board has anything special about it and just a bunch of jagaloons posting from mommy’s basement before they go to work at mighty taco. 

[billsfanmiamioh]

5 minutes ago, mrags said:

 

You’re missing the point of my post. There probably aren’t too many fan bases on message boards that have inside info of the team. Reading JWs articles is different from having that knowledge available to us. I can say I have talked to Lori, TG, and JW personally on multiple occasions, messaged them on others, with questions about the team or about how something and how it works and they have been plenty helpful. I’m sore I’m not the only one. And people here want to argue with his personal professional opinion because they think they know more than someone who’s in that locker room at the very least every single Sunday. Comical. The keyboard mafia knows more though I guess. 

Missing the point 

This is an Internet forum about a sports team. The people that have been “run off” are part of the keyboard mafia as well. If he wants to take his ball and go to Twitter, who cares? 

[Teddy KGB]

9 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

 

What invaluable insight did he provide in this situation? Names were not named, nothing concrete.

 

 

He said nothing ?    I’m not digging back through all these pages 

[strive_for_five_guy]

32 minutes ago, teef said:

there's a lot of man tantrums going on in here.

Could potentially unglue TBD

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, Teddy KGB said:

He said nothing ?    I’m not digging back through all these pages 

Nothing that framed anything concretely, just nested hints.

 

[Franco_92]

14 minutes ago, mrags said:

 

You’re missing the point of my post. There probably aren’t too many fan bases on message boards that have inside info of the team. Reading JWs articles is different from having that knowledge available to us. I can say I have talked to Lori, TG, and JW personally on multiple occasions, messaged them on others, with questions about the team or about how something and how it works and they have been plenty helpful. I’m sore I’m not the only one. And people here want to argue with his personal professional opinion because they think they know more than someone who’s in that locker room at the very least every single Sunday. Comical. The keyboard mafia knows more though I guess. 

Missing the point 

It doesn't matter what posters say. This is just how he behaves. I've literally seen it 50 different times over a large time span 

[Bermuda Triangle]

8 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Theres nothing this guy knows that a dozen other Bills related reporters wouldnt know first, so Im not going to hold my breath over whatever it is you're claiming to know.  Its obvious the players dont like JW, seriously watch their demeanor as he Doug Whaleys his way through an unclear question.  He'll claim he asks the hard questions, but he asks the dumb questions. Things that no player/coach is going to take the bait on, or that ends with them saying something along the lines of "Im not understanding the question."

 

Also the teenage girl antics of - fine, then I'll just leave you'll be better off without me - is so eye roll.  Dress professionally. The kid in class with his hand in the air and doesnt know what he wants to ask. The people falling for your bit either arent familiar with your schtick, or think you have some insider info, that you've never delivered before.

 

byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

 

EDIT: hop on twitter after this post and lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

 

 

What a bizarre question.  Maybe Allen, deep down, feels that he needs to "repay that faith" to Wawrow.  😀

[Warriorspikes51]

7 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

When the vaxx issues were going on he asked the players directly about it multiple times and they denied what he was claiming. It became very annoying. He didn't get his story, but continues to claim it was valid. No one needs to simply accept his claims. If he had a story with valid sources and wrote about it, then that's acceptable for sure.

 

This. Many simply believe whatever the press tells them 

[mrags]

32 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

Could potentially unglue TBD

We had glue? We’re more like the kid in the corner eating paste aren’t we? 
 

 

[Buffalo Junction]

1 hour ago, mrags said:

I have serious doubt they will draft any offensive talent in early rounds at all this year. Maybe ever. But we will need a replacement for Poyer and Hyde next year. Probably Edmunds and Oliver as well. And looks like they whiffed on AJ Epenesa so they will probably replace him too. 

They have to replace Saffold this off-season, so I wouldn’t be surprised to see a lineman in the first three rounds. My hope is that the draft lines up for talent wise for Beane to double dip on the Oline like he did with Rousseau and Basham. That said, I’m “bills fan prepared” for them to go defense. 

[mrags]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said:

They have to replace Saffold this off-season, so I wouldn’t be surprised to see a lineman in the first three rounds. My hope is that the draft lines up for talent wise for Beane to double dip on the Oline like he did with Rousseau and Basham. That said, I’m “bills fan prepared” for them to go defense. 

Oh, you better believe they are going defense again. My guess is you’re looking at a 3rd or 4th rd OL with more JAGs in free agency. The usual McDermott MO

[muppy]

1 hour ago, teef said:

there's a lot of man tantrums going on in here.

YEP.   I think he thought he was throwing us some insider bills info.  And he wasn't given preferential treatment even though an AP reporter as well as 2bd  member .. I don't partake in twitter except for what I read here.  so I hope he'll come back . 

 

 

  I think the thread itself had some great discussion beyond just the OP and tweet. 

 

m

 

 

Edited November 17, 2022 by muppy

[Airseven]

Wait a second. Professional reporters actually post on fan message boards?!? 😆

[Thurman#1]

 

 

20 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Yes, he is doing a bad job. Your vaunted #1 offense over the last 3 weeks has scored 3 points, 3 points, 6 points in the second half.  I realize you are the king of condescending replies around here but nowhere did I say its all Dorsey's fault.

 

 

Like you're not constantly trying to be condescending. You're just not very good at it.

 

And yeah, you didn't say it's all Dorsey's fault. You only said this:

 

     

On 11/16/2022 at 1:21 PM, Scott7975 said:

 

Yes I agree to disagree.  You just dont get it.  When a defense can T-off based on formation and situation, it makes it a lot easier to defend.  Dorsey is doing a bad job.  I gave you a perfect example earlier when I said they got stuffed on the run on first down but then on second down they went right back to the run.  The run put us in 3rd and short.  Our first TD was from a 22 yard pass followed by a *gasp* 22 yard run.  The run was then stuffed and they *gasp* ran again for a TD.

 

If you give up on the run just because a couple carries got stuffed then you are one dimensional already.  Our offense is already figured out by formation so now they are barely even one dimensional.  Its too easy for a defense to defend when they know what you are going to do.  Its too hard on Josh to over come that.  Even the Chiefs run the football.

 

 

That's your whole post, and it really does basically mean that Dorsey's the problem. Which again, is nonsense.

 

He's been up and down, but the offense has overall been very good this year. He deserves his share of the credit for that and his share of the blame for when they haven't performed well. But overall they've been very good.

 

The idea that because the offense hasn't performed well in three second halves (and that we can then ignore the rest of the season) simply doesn't stand up.

 

 

Edited November 17, 2022 by Thurman#1

[BringBackFergy]

There’s internal issues in this thread. I won’t say any more. 

[billybob71]

55 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said:

What a bizarre question.  Maybe Allen, deep down, feels that he needs to "repay that faith" to Wawrow.  😀

I agree when I was first watching that yesterday I immediately thought "what an awkward and kinda stupid question" I didn't know who the reporter was but after reading thru thread i see its this Wawrow guy

[Gugny]

1 hour ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Nothing that framed anything concretely, just nested hints.

 

 

I don't understand why this pissed so many people off.

 

Dropping hints and speculating is literally what this board is about.  Every effing day.

 

Just because jw is an AP journalist, it doesn't mean he has to share everything he knows on here.  His vague drop told us enough to know that there is some internal strife and I was fine with it.  We should know to not expect names/details for obvious reasons.

 

I'm perfectly fine with taking whatever nuggets of info are dropped, then watching TBD do what it does ... speculate, guess, theorize, hypothesize ... and then wait for the inevitable people who *know* - you know ... all of the doctors, lawyers, constitution experts, crime scene investigators, marriage counselors, etc., who stayed at a Holiday Inn last night.

 

It's all part of the fun, in my opinion.

[Jauronimo]

12 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Josh “putting his foot down” had nothing to do with a Vaxx issue that reporters wanted to harp on. It was everything to do with on field performance. Josh took leadership and command of the team related to FOOTBALL

 

 

Really? If what you’re saying is true….where is the proof? Why hasn’t anyone else brought this up (like during the offseason) 

 

instead you’re on here telling posters to disprove your theories

And you base this on your access to the players and locker room?

[Draconator]

1 minute ago, Gugny said:

 

I'm perfectly fine with taking whatever nuggets of info are dropped, then watching TBD do what it does ... speculate, guess, theorize, hypothesize ... and then wait for the inevitable people who *know* - you know ... all of the doctors, lawyers, constitution experts, crime scene investigators, marriage counselors, etc., who stayed at a Holiday Inn last night.

TBD in a nutshell. 

 

Some of us are nuts even

[Jauronimo]

15 minutes ago, Airseven said:

Wait a second. Professional reporters actually post on fan message boards?!? 😆

They used to. 

[Warriorspikes51]

Just now, Jauronimo said:

And you base this on your access to the players and locker room?

 

It was publicly talked about last season/ in the off-season 

[Thurman#1]

10 hours ago, Reed83HOF said:

You are appreciated here by a majority of the posters, aholes on this board has CHASEd off many fine posters and reporters. Know that most of us hope you reconsider

 

 

Indeed. I always appreciate your posts.

 

8 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

When the vaxx issues were going on he asked the players directly about it multiple times and they denied what he was claiming. It became very annoying. He didn't get his story, but continues to claim it was valid. No one needs to simply accept his claims. If he had a story with valid sources and wrote about it, then that's acceptable for sure.

 

 

Glad to know what you consider acceptable.

 

I know during your time in the locker room, you've ... oh, wait.

 

No one needs to simply accept anyone's claims. But Wawrow has a ton more access than you or I and if he says it's true, that carries weight. 

 

Players do tend to deny problems in the locker room, especially on the record. Off the record we'll never know what they say. But John very well may.

 

 

[Big Blitz]

What the heck is the “barstool speculation” with Allen?

[Jauronimo]

2 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

It was publicly talked about last season/ in the off-season 

I'm here every day and this is the first I'm hearing of it.  A google search turned up nothing.  You got any of that proof?

1 minute ago, Big Blitz said:

What the heck is the “barstool speculation” with Allen?

More secret concussion theory from a media outlet that should stick to ***** pizza reviews and "Smokeshow" of the week type coverage.

[BADOLBILZ]

12 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

So this "bad news" only impacts Allen in the 2nd half?  Because in the last 3 games Allen has been outstanding in the first half.

 

 

Losing focus when it appears a task that is keeping your mind off your problem is seemingly in hand?   Yeah,  that remains consistent with someone having a burden on their mind.       

[Warriorspikes51]

5 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

I'm here every day and this is the first I'm hearing of it.  A google search turned up nothing.  You got any of that proof?

 

 

If I remember, Sal has spoken on it previously. One or more players/coaches did in passing during interviews as well 

[teef]

30 minutes ago, muppy said:

YEP.   I think he thought he was throwing us some insider bills info.  And he wasn't given preferential treatment even though an AP reporter?

.

 

**shrugs*** I don't partake in twitter except for what I read here.  so I hope he'll come back    I think the thread itself had some great discussion beyond just the OP and tweet. 

 

m

 

 

i don't think this should/would keep him away.  the discussion wasn't that outrageous, but who knows.  people have limits.

[LabattBlue]

1 hour ago, mrags said:

 I can say I have talked to Lori, TG, and JW personally on multiple occasions, messaged them on others, with questions about the team or about how something and how it works and they have been plenty helpful. I’m sore I’m not the only one. 

The good news…you can still private message your best buds for all that inside info that never got posted here anyways. 

[plenzmd1]

26 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

They used to. 

 

11 minutes ago, teef said:

i don't think this should/would keep him away.  the discussion wasn't that outrageous, but who knows.  people have limits.

hers is the problem with guys like TG and John..they come on a message board, and Twitter, and offer most  times OPINIONS..not facts, but opinions. But in the old world of media, they were never directly confronted with  opposing views, again, to their OPINIONS . They grew used to never being challenged in the pre-socials days . When they get challenged here and on Twitter, they take offence to it, regular poster like me and you take it like normal. 

They expect folks like us to take their opinions as some kind of inside baseball gospel, and when ya don't,  they take their ball and go home.

 

I don't think anyone of them have  ever posted anything here that was news breaking..i may be wrong, but i doubt it. If you like John and TG and Lori, follow on Twitter, blow smoke up their behind so you will not be blocked in you disagree with them, and get their insight there.

[teef]

2 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

 

hers is the problem with guys like TG and John..they come on a message board, and Twitter, and offer most  times OPINIONS..not facts, but opinions. But in the old world of media, they were never directly confronted with  opposing views, again, to their OPINIONS . They grew used to never being challenged in the pre-socials days . When they get challenged here and on Twitter, they take offence to it, regular poster like me and you take it like normal. 

They expect folks like us to take their opinions as some kind of inside baseball gospel, and when ya don't,  they take their ball and go home.

 

I don't think anyone of them have  ever posted anything here that was news breaking..i may be wrong, but i doubt it. If you like John and TG and Lori, follow on Twitter, blow smoke up their behind so you will not be blocked in you disagree with them, and get their insight there.

yeah.  i really can't imagine this being good business for them.  it's ok to be challenged as long as it's somewhat civil, and this thread seemed fairly civil, ( i know there was some back and forth, but it didn't strike me as bad).  

[mrags]

10 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

The good news…you can still private message your best buds for all that inside info that never got posted here anyways. 

Missing the point. Thanks again for your insight 

[BADOLBILZ]

10 hours ago, john wawrow said:

Nah.

Here’s the deal.

It’s tough enough wading through all the ***** I do on Twitter.

 

I’ve been on here for a long time (but not so much of late), and have occasionally been asked to share some insight.

Here, given how much of time passed from last season, I thought I’d share something about something you folks might be interested in that I’ve come across but really doesn’t impact THIS season.

 

So I shared and found out that this is board is a lot like the experience of engaging with all the ***** on Twitter.

 

So call me thin-skinned, call me a ***** #######, or tell me that I suck, or don’t know anything, I’ll be fine with it, because it’s all been directed at me on the Twitter.

Thing is, I don’t need to go through it twice. 

So this IS my last post.

 

See ya.

 

 

JW has just been coming here to get props.........under the very false pretense that he can share inside info with us..........which he obviously can't.   Not under this Bills regime.

 

He doesn't want to otherwise interact with the TSW community unless it's on the terms that he's an insider.

 

Tweeting something stupid that he knew he couldn't go anywhere with was as good a time as any to make a dramatic exit while some poor fools were still believing he was going to break news just for them.

 

Gotta' say though.........that dramatic "woe is me" exit made TG's look downright dignified.   

[Gugny]

11 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

 

hers is the problem with guys like TG and John..they come on a message board, and Twitter, and offer most  times OPINIONS..not facts, but opinions. But in the old world of media, they were never directly confronted with  opposing views, again, to their OPINIONS . They grew used to never being challenged in the pre-socials days . When they get challenged here and on Twitter, they take offence to it, regular poster like me and you take it like normal. 

They expect folks like us to take their opinions as some kind of inside baseball gospel, and when ya don't,  they take their ball and go home.

 

I don't think anyone of them have  ever posted anything here that was news breaking..i may be wrong, but i doubt it. If you like John and TG and Lori, follow on Twitter, blow smoke up their behind so you will not be blocked in you disagree with them, and get their insight there.

 

The reason I've always liked jw is that he (to my knowledge) has never been one to block people or to figuratively cross his arms, stick out his bottom lip and stomp his feet when confronted or challenged.  We've seen him get challenged on here a hundred times over the years and it's just never been the case, as far as I can recollect.  I'm relatively new to Twitter, but I don't see any indication of it happening there, either.

 

I couldn't care less about the other two for that exact reason.

 

Hopefully, jw doesn't follow their paths.

[pocoboy]

2 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Nothing that framed anything concretely, just nested hints.

 

 

Yeah, he should just betray his sources to appease you. That makes a double s**t ton of sense. 🙄

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 hour ago, Gugny said:

 

I don't understand why this pissed so many people off.

 

Dropping hints and speculating is literally what this board is about.  Every effing day.

 

Just because jw is an AP journalist, it doesn't mean he has to share everything he knows on here.  His vague drop told us enough to know that there is some internal strife and I was fine with it.  We should know to not expect names/details for obvious reasons.

 

I'm perfectly fine with taking whatever nuggets of info are dropped, then watching TBD do what it does ... speculate, guess, theorize, hypothesize ... and then wait for the inevitable people who *know* - you know ... all of the doctors, lawyers, constitution experts, crime scene investigators, marriage counselors, etc., who stayed at a Holiday Inn last night.

 

It's all part of the fun, in my opinion.

 

A question was asked,  I gave an answer. Honestly, I don't care what JW shares or doesn't here. But I'm not gonna simp for him here.

 

 

[Gugny]

1 minute ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

 

A question was asked,  I gave an answer. Honestly, I don't care what JW shares or doesn't here. But I'm not gonna simp for him here.

 

 

 

I don't see anyone simping.  Speaking only for myself, I'm just saying that I don't see where all of the outrage came from (not talking about you, Joe).  It's the f*cking Internet. 

[LabattBlue]

So does this mean we will never get to know what the internal issues are?

 

How will I ever sleep again? 
 

😂

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

I don't see anyone simping.  Speaking only for myself, I'm just saying that I don't see where all of the outrage came from (not talking about you, Joe).  It's the f*cking Internet. 

long live the fecking internet!!