The defense sucked....again

[Goin Breakdown]

Anytime it's 3rd and more than 15 I can't help it assume the other team will convert and if they don't it's 4th and short. I have no faith In the coaching when it comes to these situations. 

[Shanahan's Horseshoe]

It took an other worldly performance by Jefferson.  Maybe the best by a WR I’ve ever seen.  You weren’t gonna stop him and the covereage wan’t bad at all.  

All Lewis had to do is knock it down instead of going for the pick but when you’re down to your 5th Saftey, mistakes will happen.  That’s why you need a HC to make good decisions.  

[Toyo321]

17 minutes ago, Codyny13 said:

I don’t think a rookie 6th rd pick learned anything from that play 2 years ago, and I’m sure the coaching staff has coached to knock balls down, hell, i learned that when I was playing pop Warner ball in the 6th grade. The kid wanted to make a play, and he made the wrong one, and if they interview him, I guarantee that he says that the coaches tell them to knock the ball down.  I don’t see the coaching be the main reason for this loss, although I hated the 4th and 2 call, the coaching staff didn’t turn the ball over FOUR TIMES!

Until the coaching starts reining in the players making these mistakes it is a coaching issue.   CB's failing to turn around looking for the ball and get getting burned is all on the coaches.   We made a huge mistake signing Von Miller.  We could have brought in some serious LB help this year and beefed up in the Secondary.   But now we have this paper defense again.   We lose to good teams because our coaching can't  make game time adjustments and won't get off playing  stupid dime defense every single game and not make any second half adjustments.  Our run D has been crap for 3 plus games.  Our coaches have not done jack 💩to stop it!!!

Edited November 14, 2022 by Toyo321

[MPT]

34 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Come on.  It's not "inexplicable".  That ball was sailing over Jeffersons head--naturally the DB is going to put his hands together thinking he's catching an INT.  Jefferson makes an insane catch.  That's not one I'm putting on Lewis.  

 

Lewis had two hands on the ball and let Jefferson rip it away with one hand while falling backwards. It was 100% on Lewis.

[LABILLBACKER]

51 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

He has no business being out there in an NFL defensive backfield.

I know he's become an excellent ST's player and that the DB room is decimated by injuries, but he has yet to show anything he belongs out there with that defense.

Then why wasn't a more polished Dean Marlowe in there rather than a ST guy making his first ever safety start?????    Poor coaching

[Starr Almighty]

35 minutes ago, Toyo321 said:

Our CB's have not learned anything even after the D-Hop catch in the game with Arizona 2 years ago  If our coaches can't even address this issue two years later, that is proof that the entire coaching staff is crap.  The coaching is the major problem the last 3 seasons.

What if I told you not one DB that was in on that play was playing today?

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

The goal line stands were nice, but allowing 481 yards and 26 points is not a winning recipe. 

 

It's easy to blame it on Allen and the turnovers, but the defense was really bad today. 

 

The 81 yard Cook TD and 4th and 18 to JJ were equally as bad as the goal line fumble and end of OT int

[BarleyNY]

41 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

We had a 27-10 lead in the second half. You let a guy run an 80 yard TD like it was 1974. You continued to give up big plays on 3rd and long. Couldn’t get a stop on multiple 4th downs. Make a ***** stop. Stop asking your QB to just throw you back every week. Get off the goddamn field. Blitz. Knock a pass down. Bat a ball. Wrap a RB up. Stop letting a QB stand in the pocket and cut you up on 3rd down

When we went up 27-10 with less than 2 min left in the 3rd I said “That’s game. We’re up 3 scores so all we have to do is take care of the ball and hope nothing crazy happens.”

 

After the 81 yard TD run I said “Well, that sucks, but we still win if we take care of the ball and play decent football.” We turned the ball over 3 times after that, including the fumble in our own EZ. The long TD run wasn't great, but turnovers are the biggest reason we lost.

 

Incidentally, the Bills are one turnover away from having the most in the NFL. Our defense is also one away from having the most takeaways. LINK  The defense is doing its job very well in this regard, the offense is not. You just can’t expect to win a championship turning the ball over like that. 

Edited November 14, 2022 by BarleyNY

[John from Riverside]

My problem with this defense is they are giving up way too many third and longs they tend to stiffen once they get over the 50 yard line but there’s still a problem

 

I mean a fourth an 18 that should never happen

[Codyny13]

14 minutes ago, Toyo321 said:

Until the coaching starts reining in the players making these mistakes it is a coaching issue.   CB's failing to turn around looking for the ball and get getting burned is all on the coaches.   We made a huge mistake signing Von Miller.  We could have brought in some serious LB help this year and beefed up in the Secondary.   But now we have this paper defense again.   We lose to good teams because our coaching can't  make game time adjustments and won't get off playing  stupid dime defense every single game and not make any second half adjustments.  Our run D has been crap for 3 plus games.  Our coaches have not done jack 💩to stop it!!!

The players aren’t attached to strings being moved around by japetto saying “I’m a real boy,” how can you not put any of the emphasis on the players? Bringing in Von Miller was a mistake? You must be joking…he’s on pace for 16 sacks in a rotation, and that can’t be due to coaching since you’ve already told us their *****.  Milano has been our best defensive player this year, but you want to replace him…and our starting ML was out the second half…so which is it? The players suck, or the coaching staff sucks, or just everything sucks? You want to place blame on the cb not getting his head around the coaching staff? Cmon man, this isn’t stuff you learn when you get to the NFL…

[Toyo321]

4 minutes ago, Starr Almighty said:

What if I told you not one DB that was in on that play was playing today?

It is the source of the problem.  Safety, DB, CB it doesn't matter if you don't understand the bigger picture of the down being played,  then this falls on the coaches stressing situation importance.  Change of possession via int has less of a chance then just knocking down  and defending the pass attempt.

[zow2]

The Bills have read their press clippings a little too much.  They just aren’t as good as advertised and certainly not working hard enough to get themselves back on track. Hence the lousy 2nd halves. 

[Bermuda Triangle]

39 minutes ago, Codyny13 said:

I don’t think a rookie 6th rd pick learned anything from that play 2 years ago, and I’m sure the coaching staff has coached to knock balls down, hell, i learned that when I was playing pop Warner ball in the 6th grade. The kid wanted to make a play, and he made the wrong one, and if they interview him, I guarantee that he says that the coaches tell them to knock the ball down.  I don’t see the coaching be the main reason for this loss, although I hated the 4th and 2 call, the coaching staff didn’t turn the ball over FOUR TIMES!

What does Benford have to do with this?

[Codyny13]

1 minute ago, Bermuda Triangle said:

What does Benford have to do with this?

I thought it was benford on the play not cam lewis.

[KOKBILLS]

2 minutes ago, zow2 said:

The Bills have read their press clippings a little too much.  They just aren’t as good as advertised and certainly not working hard enough to get themselves back on track. Hence the lousy 2nd halves. 

 

The upside is I'm sure there will be plenty of dancing videos from practice on Twitter next week...

[GETTOTHE50]

6 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

My problem with this defense is they are giving up way too many third and longs they tend to stiffen once they get over the 50 yard line but there’s still a problem

 

I mean a fourth an 18 that should never happen

they refuse to bring extra pressure. when you dont blitz the qb, you give the longer routes a chance to develop.

[RyanC883]

1 hour ago, Bermuda Triangle said:

most of the threads here seem to be about Allen and his horrid play of late (and I'll be the first to say that he has been really bad), but is the defense getting yet ANOTHER free pass today?

 

The Vikes had their highest yardage output of the season today and converted countless 3rd & 4th and long plays.  I frankly don't even remember the last time Minnesota punted.    Did anyone honestly think that the D would force a punt in OT?  

 

Up 27-10 late in the third quarter, the Vikes gash the Bills for an 81-yard TD (let me guess, Sean - bad run fit, and you'll get that fixed!), score a TD on their next drive, and then march 75 yards, only to get stopped on 4th and goal from the 1.  In OT, they fairly easily drove downfield for the GW FG.

 

Is this the mark of a good defense?

 

3rd year in a tow allowing a 70 yard plus run I believe.  All season the ru. D has been super soft.  No adjustment by Frazier or McD.  

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

1 hour ago, Bermuda Triangle said:

most of the threads here seem to be about Allen and his horrid play of late (and I'll be the first to say that he has been really bad), but is the defense getting yet ANOTHER free pass today?

 

The Vikes had their highest yardage output of the season today and converted countless 3rd & 4th and long plays.  I frankly don't even remember the last time Minnesota punted.    Did anyone honestly think that the D would force a punt in OT?  

 

Up 27-10 late in the third quarter, the Vikes gash the Bills for an 81-yard TD (let me guess, Sean - bad run fit, and you'll get that fixed!), score a TD on their next drive, and then march 75 yards, only to get stopped on 4th and goal from the 1.  In OT, they fairly easily drove downfield for the GW FG.

 

Is this the mark of a good defense?

Defense put the offense in position to win it not once, but twice. Allen fumbled the snap and then threw a red zone pick in OT. End of story. Everything before doesn’t matter, they stepped up when it counted. Point blank period. 

[RyanC883]

37 minutes ago, KOKBILLS said:

 

Exactly...I lost my voice screaming at that one...

 

As bad luck would have it for Bills fans, the only way Jefferson has a chance to make that miracle catch and pull it down is because Lewis freezes the ball at that exact point trying to catch it...What an incredibly major blunder...

 

poor fundamentals all over the secondary.  On Jefferson’s TD over Jackson, Jackson had his back to the ball the whole time

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

All you Edmunds haters saw exactly what happened when he got injured in the 2nd half. More reason to resign this guy. He takes away the middle of the field. I saw him run step for step with Thielen. A criminally underrated player for this defense. Any fan that’s worth his salt knows how good this guy is, but the ignorant ones are too worried about “splash “ plays.

[KOKBILLS]

Just now, RyanC883 said:

 

poor fundamentals all over the secondary.  On Jefferson’s TD over Jackson, Jackson had his back to the ball the whole time

 

True...They had 2 INT's today and they could have had 6...How about the PI when our DB is looking back for the ball, sees it and it looks like he may have a play on it, then completely turns his back suddenly and runs right into Jefferson...It was mind boggling how bad they were today overall...

[Southern_Bills]

So let's just tally the marks.

 

Defense has a great goal line stand to win, offense fumbles the ball and gives up a TD. 

 

Offense turns the ball over 3 times in 4th qtr. And OT. Also one other time in the red zone for a total of 3 redzone turnovers, we will be conservative and say that's 6 points.

 

Defense holds the Vikings to a field goal in OT and gives Allen and company a chance, they blew it.

 

 

I'm not forgiving the Defense for everything, but to even remotely put this loss on them is absolutely insane.

[The Avenger]

1 hour ago, RiotAct said:

no it sure as hell isn’t.  Don’t worry though, Tre White will be back for the Super Bowl!!!!!!

In what year?

[purple haze]

1 hour ago, Bermuda Triangle said:

most of the threads here seem to be about Allen and his horrid play of late (and I'll be the first to say that he has been really bad), but is the defense getting yet ANOTHER free pass today?

 

The Vikes had their highest yardage output of the season today and converted countless 3rd & 4th and long plays.  I frankly don't even remember the last time Minnesota punted.    Did anyone honestly think that the D would force a punt in OT?  

 

Up 27-10 late in the third quarter, the Vikes gash the Bills for an 81-yard TD (let me guess, Sean - bad run fit, and you'll get that fixed!), score a TD on their next drive, and then march 75 yards, only to get stopped on 4th and goal from the 1.  In OT, they fairly easily drove downfield for the GW FG.

 

Is this the mark of a good defense?

Bills offense isn’t missing any starters. Jackson got an INT,  offense did nothing with it.

 

Offense fumbled inside Vikings territory.  2 INT’s in the end zone.  Fumble a damn snap on the goal line after D holds on 4th down.

 

D played well enough to win.  Game shouldn’t have been close.  But the offense keeps giving the ball and the points away.  And the OC doesn’t seem to know when to call a running play.

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

3 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

All you Edmunds haters saw exactly what happened when he got injured in the 2nd half. More reason to resign this guy. He takes away the middle of the field. I saw him run step for step with Thielen. A criminally underrated player for this defense. Any fan that’s worth his salt knows how good this guy is, but the ignorant ones are too worried about “splash “ plays.

 

I did notice him drop a pretty easy INT. 

 

I'm not sure that being better than Dodson means he deserves a big contract.

 

The defense really missed him in the Steelers game... 

[RiotAct]

2 minutes ago, The Avenger said:

In what year?

when he’s good and ready!!!

[The Avenger]

1 minute ago, RiotAct said:

when he’s good and ready!!!

So 2025? Seriously, not sure if the team is being honest about where he is - if he's not ready, why did you bring him back? Was there a setback? There's conservative and there's ridiculous and this is feeling like the latter...

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

2 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

 

I did notice him drop a pretty easy INT. 

 

I'm not sure that being better than Dodson means he deserves a big contract.

 

The defense really missed him in the Steelers game... 

are you kidding me? Kenny Pickett is trash. Our whole 2nd string defense could’ve shut down that pathetic offense. Edmunds needs work against the run, but he’s elite in coverage and I’d rather have that in the modern NFL. I guarantee he gets a contract. We’ll agree to disagree I guess

[gobills404]

The defense allowed 23 points in regulation, which is below the Vikings season average and less than what the Bills had AT HALFTIME. Allen gave this game away, plain and simple.

Edited November 14, 2022 by gobills404

[Scott7975]

Im not going to blame this defense for the loss.  The loss was on Josh and Dorsey. The defense had the win at the goal line.  All the offense needed to do was not fumble the football.

[Toyo321]

40 minutes ago, Codyny13 said:

The players aren’t attached to strings being moved around by japetto saying “I’m a real boy,” how can you not put any of the emphasis on the players? Bringing in Von Miller was a mistake? You must be joking…he’s on pace for 16 sacks in a rotation, and that can’t be due to coaching since you’ve already told us their *****.  Milano has been our best defensive player this year, but you want to replace him…and our starting ML was out the second half…so which is it? The players suck, or the coaching staff sucks, or just everything sucks? You want to place blame on the cb not getting his head around the coaching staff? Cmon man, this isn’t stuff you learn when you get to the NFL…

• TJ Watt, Nick Bosa and Micah Parsons are all better than Von Miller.  They have way more of defensive presence and are more disruptive on D than Von Miller is.  We paid this guy 120 Million and he barely made any contribution to the game today & last week vs the Jets.  So say what you want.  You can have all the sacks in the world if you still lose games to teams you should be beating then the money is hardly worth the investment.  Yeah by the way we are now in 3rd in the AFC E and we have no chance beating Miami.  We will be lucky to beat NYJ  much less NE twice, the way our defense is playing and Josh is playing right now.  Milano is only average and Edmunds is a way to on and off of a player.   We spent $$$ to the hilt this year to pay people to win now and the money they have invested to date has not provided the results.  It goes to show you that this team is not as good on the field as it is on paper.  I have been watching this team since Joe Ferguson was throwing balls for this team.   This team is a major tailspin,   and I don't see any way for them to get out of it.  This is a coaching issue and there is no denying it anymore.   Players can only play how they are coached then their talent has take them the rest of the way on the field.  If you are missing tackles, dropping passes, not using the RB's more and have a QB throwing putrid game losing Int's all this season, tell me how you fix this three ring circus now.  You don't because our coaches are a F*** joke.

Edited November 14, 2022 by Toyo321

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

Missing Pieces

 

Poyer

Hyde

Edmunds (2nd half)

White

Elam

Groot

 

Bills Starting Secondary Today:

 

- 6th Rd CB Rookie!

- 6th Rd S

- 7th Rd CB

- Undrafted S (First start)

 

Yet they still came up with huge stops (4th and goal, 3 points in OT) and created multiple take aways.

 

Be mad that we gave up 30 points in regulation all you want, but don’t ignore the fact they were severely hampered by injury and their coaching staff refused to try and do anything brazen to  create an advantage

Defense did NOT give up 30 anyway.  People keep saying that but one of their TDs was a defensive TD

2 minutes ago, Toyo321 said:

• TJ Watt, Nick Bosa and Micah Parsons are all better than Von Miller.  They have way more of defensive presence and are more disruptive on D than Von Miller is.  We paid this guy 120 Million and he barely made any contribution to the game today & last week vs the Jets.  So say what you want.  You can have all the sacks in the world if you still lose games to teams you should be beating then the money is hardly worth the investment.  Yeah by the way we are now in 3rd in the AFC E and we have no chance beating Miami.  We will be lucky to beat NYJ  much less NE twice, the way our defense is playing and Josh is playing right now.  Milano is only average and Edmunds is a way to on and off of a player.   We spent $$$ to the hilt this year to pay people to win now and the money they have invested to date has not provided the results.  It goes to show you that this team is not as good on the field as it is on paper.  I have been watching this team since Joe Ferguson was throwing ball for this team.   This team is a major tailspin,   and I don't see any way for them to get out of it.  This is a coaching issue and there is no denying it anymore.   Players can only play how they are coached then their talent has take them the rest of the way on the field.  If you are missing tackles, dropping passes, not using the RB's more and have a QB throwing putrid game losing Int's all this season, tell me how you fix this three ring circus now.  You don't because our coaches are a F*** joke.

Terrible post

[cgg716]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Defense did NOT give up 30 anyway.  People keep saying that but one of their TDs was a defensive TD

Terrible post

The defensive td is at best shared blame, given that they never should have been on the one to begin with, if not for the complete typical, cupcake defense this team plays 

[LABILLBACKER]

4 hours ago, Bermuda Triangle said:

He's always had issues with snaps under center on sneaks - I had hoped that the issue was in the past, but I guess not.  Truly embarrassing.

 

The D has had plenty of time to adjust to not having Hyde and White.  The failure by Lewis to not simply knock the ball down on 4th and 18 was incredible....has the defense not learned anything from the past 2.5 seasons?

What good does a selfish 4th down int accomplish when a knock down wins the game.  Nothing obviously was taught to these guys after the Hail Murray.  When a team makes the same mistakes that's 100% coaching.

[AlfaBill]

Frazier needs to go. 

[BillsFan692]

Someone please explain to me why a QB s sneak (a play allen has already said he doss not like) is the best option for play call on 1st down from your own half yard line?

 

Seems scary AF to me. Someone explain it to me like I am a 2 year old plz

[gtw3]

I really thought this game was a tale of two defenses (both being the Bills')   

 

They forced two turnovers.  Got a few sacks in pressure packed moments late to force multiple 4th downs including the 4th and 18.

They had two amazing goal line stands.

For the most part, they were fairly stout in run D.

 

But

 

They allowed the Vikings to convert way too many 3rd and 4th downs

They gave up an 82 yard touchdown run

They couldn't stop Jefferson in the 4th Q and overtime.

 

I wonder if Edmunds being out the second half was a large contributor to their surge in production. (edit just saw chronicandknuckles saying the same thing a few posts before mine) He was a factor in the interception that Benford got because his length altered the throw.  After their first drive, Minnesota really did not do much in the first half.  That's just something that I was pondering in the hours after the game. 

 

Justin Jefferson made one of the best and most clutch catches I have ever seen.   It just sucks it was against us.

 

Edited November 14, 2022 by gtw3

[Buffalo_Stampede]

5 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

All you Edmunds haters saw exactly what happened when he got injured in the 2nd half. More reason to resign this guy. He takes away the middle of the field. I saw him run step for step with Thielen. A criminally underrated player for this defense. Any fan that’s worth his salt knows how good this guy is, but the ignorant ones are too worried about “splash “ plays.

Cousins definitely was affected by Edmunds in this game. One of the first times you could actually see his impact. He’s always impacting but this was the best example.

[gtw3]

3 hours ago, BillsFan692 said:

Someone please explain to me why a QB s sneak (a play allen has already said he doss not like) is the best option for play call on 1st down from your own half yard line?

 

Seems scary AF to me. Someone explain it to me like I am a 2 year old plz

They say that it is supposed to be a safe way to create some wiggle room, especially with a giant as your QB.   

 

Execute the snap and push forward with assistance from Davis, even a half a foot.  Do it again and the game is over.  We were not able to execute the snap.

[JerseyBills]

7 hours ago, Bermuda Triangle said:

most of the threads here seem to be about Allen and his horrid play of late (and I'll be the first to say that he has been really bad), but is the defense getting yet ANOTHER free pass today?

 

The Vikes had their highest yardage output of the season today and converted countless 3rd & 4th and long plays.  I frankly don't even remember the last time Minnesota punted.    Did anyone honestly think that the D would force a punt in OT?  

 

Up 27-10 late in the third quarter, the Vikes gash the Bills for an 81-yard TD (let me guess, Sean - bad run fit, and you'll get that fixed!), score a TD on their next drive, and then march 75 yards, only to get stopped on 4th and goal from the 1.  In OT, they fairly easily drove downfield for the GW FG.

 

Is this the mark of a good defense?

I mean we hold them to 23 if Lewis doesn't go for an int on 4th and 18.

 

Missing Hyde Poyer White Elam Groot and Edmunds in 2nd half is hard to overcome 

That's 6 franchise players on 1 side of the ball but still inexcusable being up 17