Allen Injury a Good Thing?

[Greg S]

18 minutes ago, Italian Bills said:

We can say everything about the effort all the team will have regard JA absence, everyone accountable etc etc… but fact is that Case, even if in the League long time, is not a top QB. 

 

He isn't a top QB, but he is good enough to help the Bills win this weekend. If Allen isn't out there it will hurt but the Bills still have a good chance to win the game. 

[US Egg]

52 minutes ago, hemma said:

Look, look a light at the end of the tunnel!

Is it Irv?

[Believer]

Common sense and McD-speak says Allen sits… and Keenum starts…

 

Big test for Dorsey… Case brings his own strengths and weaknesses… Up to Dorsey to adapt his play-calling to his player

[Scott7975]

Allen injury is never a good thing.  

[Greg S]

6 minutes ago, Believer said:

Common sense and McD-speak says Allen sits… and Keenum starts…

 

Big test for Dorsey… Case brings his own strengths and weaknesses… Up to Dorsey to adapt his play-calling to his player

 

This would be a good time for Singletary to get around 25 carries and over 100 yards with a TD or two.

[dorquemada]

2 hours ago, Irv said:

Maybe there is a bright side to JA17 getting injured. Never want anyone to get injured, but maybe this will force others, particularly the coaching staff, OL, and RB's to get the running game going for once.  The whole offence has totally relied on Josh for everything.  Now it's their turn tom step up and hopefully translate to a more balanced offense down the stretch.   

 

Get well soon JA.   

 

It's not a good thing at all.   If Josh is out Sunday, we're going to see what we have with the rest of the team.  I'm not all that confident in the Bills minus Josh are anything better than 7-9 or 8-8 type team.  Can't run or stop the run.  No weapons on O outside of Diggs.  Coaching that seems to be fighting the last war every week.  Incredibly inconsistent and weak play out of the DL excepting Von Miller

[RyanC883]

1 hour ago, Greg S said:

 

Case has been in the league a long time. He is capable of helping the Bills get a win this weekend vs Minnesota. The rest of the team will have to pick it up if Allen can't go. If Allen can go the rest of the team should still pick it up. Allen shouldn't have to be a one-man gang out there.

 

totally agree.  You don't have a SB caliber winning team if you rely solely on your QB.  Do you need an elite QB, yes.  But you need more, and if your eliter QB is out, you should be able to win games.  Even Dallas won its games with Dak out (not comparing Dak and JA, but if Bean has done a good job at roster construction around JA, and our coaches are competent, we should be able to win).  

[Greg S]

15 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

totally agree.  You don't have a SB caliber winning team if you rely solely on your QB.  Do you need an elite QB, yes.  But you need more, and if your eliter QB is out, you should be able to win games.  Even Dallas won its games with Dak out (not comparing Dak and JA, but if Bean has done a good job at roster construction around JA, and our coaches are competent, we should be able to win).  

 

Agree. They aren't winning a Super Bowl without Josh, but they can definitely win a regular season game at home without him. The Vikings are good but so are the Bills. This is also a second straight road game for Minnesota. It's never easy to win on the road and to go on the road in B2B weeks is tough.

Edited November 10, 2022 by Greg S

[John from Riverside]

So Irv you’re taking a beating here but I do get the gist of what you were trying to say

 

It is never good that your $256 million QB Is injured

 

The coaching staff is going to have to definitely do their job this weekend because case is not going to be able to put the game on his shoulders by himself and win

[K-9]

Obviously. Because any time you lose your best player it makes your team better. 

[JoeF]

I truly believe Josh will be standing on the sidelines with an earbud on Sunday.  The Bills won't risk anything worse happening to the elbow.  They have higher aspirations than beating the Vikings in a regular season game.  If sitting out for a game or two or three heals him, then do it.

 

Dorsey will have to adapt on first and second down in particular.  The goal will be not to get in too many third and longs because you won't have Josh's legs and arm to get you out of the jam.  We have a "stable of backs" who are multiple (pass and run).  Keenum is smart and can get the ball out quickly and accurately.  Gives me confidence the Bills can win with him.  Just keep matriculating the ball down the field particularly the two quarters when the Vikings have the wind at their back.  Take as much time on drives as possible those two quarters. 

 

The Vikes are full of weapons on Offense...the D needs to play with more discipline and urgency.   Bills have been losing gap control the last couple of weeks and not tackling well.  Need to clean that up or James Cook's big brother will have 200 yards.   Make no mistake, the Vike's are a really talent laden team but playing in a moderate to strong wind outdoors will challenge them.

[UKBillFan]

That’s one of the silver linings. The other silver lining, as said before, could be Josh gets to shake his head and work through the funk he’s in by watching the game. I’m not much less confident in winning on Sunday with Keenum than I was with Josh, considering his plays over the past five quarters.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

I understand what the OP is trying to say. 

I would rethink it this way.

 

Regardless of JA injury, the offense would be better and more sustainable if Dorsey found a way to get a complimentary rushing attack and involve Knox and the other receivers not named Diggs more.

 

That can and should happen regardless if Josh can play or not. 

 

[SirAndrew]

I get the idea, but it’s probably the worst time to get a struggling run game going. Taking away the threat of Allen is going to make running all the more difficult. 

Edited November 10, 2022 by SirAndrew

[Italian Bills]

1 hour ago, Greg S said:

 

He isn't a top QB, but he is good enough to help the Bills win this weekend. If Allen isn't out there it will hurt but the Bills still have a good chance to win the game. 

Hope you right fella

1 hour ago, Believer said:

Common sense and McD-speak says Allen sits… and Keenum starts…

 

Big test for Dorsey… Case brings his own strengths and weaknesses… Up to Dorsey to adapt his play-calling to his player

Instead i see Allen as a go. 

[Mrbojanglezs]

Whatever helps you sleep at night 

[Eastport bills]

2 hours ago, Irv said:

Maybe there is a bright side to JA17 getting injured. Never want anyone to get injured, but maybe this will force others, particularly the coaching staff, OL, and RB's to get the running game going for once.  The whole offence has totally relied on Josh for everything.  Now it's their turn tom step up and hopefully translate to a more balanced offense down the stretch.   

 

Get well soon JA.   

I think you’re on to something. Reliance on this freak athlete to avoid killer lineman and lbs rushing against pedestrian pass protectors in predictable passing play calling,is not sustainable and will get Josh seriously injured. o-line coach, Dorsey and RBs have to be better and share more of the responsibilities.

[buffaloboyinATL]

6 hours ago, Irv said:

Maybe there is a bright side to JA17 getting injured. Never want anyone to get injured, but maybe this will force others, particularly the coaching staff, OL, and RB's to get the running game going for once.  The whole offence has totally relied on Josh for everything.  Now it's their turn tom step up and hopefully translate to a more balanced offense down the stretch.   

 

Get well soon JA.   

I was thinking about this too.  A player like Josh Allen hides flaws in an Offensive system, because he uses his athleticism and freakishly strong arm, to make plays that otherwise wouldn't be there.  If nothing else, Keenum running this system, even if it is only in practice,  may help the coaches see flaws that were not noticeable before. If that is the case, and I honestly don't know if it is or not, they would have to start scheming guys open, instead of relying on Allen to make something happen. Although obviously not ideal, I believe there could be some good that comes out of this.

 

Edited November 10, 2022 by buffaloboyinATL

[Jauronimo]

Is this like when a guy goes on a drunken rampage and in the humiliating fallout he loses his job, his marriage, his reputation, and any hope for a happy future but its the "best thing that ever happened to me" because he discovered his passion for oil painting?

Edited November 10, 2022 by Jauronimo

[Gobills14094]

7 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

I was thinking about this too.  A player like Josh Allen hides flaws in an Offensive system, because he uses him athleticism and freakishly strong arm, to make plays that otherwise wouldn't be there.  If nothing else, Keenum running this system, even if it is only in practice,  may help the coaches see flaws that were not noticeable before. If that is the case, and I honestly don't know if it is or not, they would have to start scheming guys open, instead of relying on Allen to make something happen. Although obviously not ideal, I believe there could be some good that comes out of this.  

100% agreed, I'm interested to see how Case runs the offense vs. Josh. If Case succeeds, maybe it'll help Josh with his decision making and reads so that he isn't relying on Diggs to catch everything.

[Joe Ferguson]

Why risk making that elbow tear even worse? I say he shoukd sit several games and have him healthy in the playoffs. Home field in the playoffs is waay overrated. Most Super Bowl teams won it all when they were low seeded  wild card teams.

[LABILLBACKER]

17 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

I was thinking about this too.  A player like Josh Allen hides flaws in an Offensive system, because he uses him athleticism and freakishly strong arm, to make plays that otherwise wouldn't be there.  If nothing else, Keenum running this system, even if it is only in practice,  may help the coaches see flaws that were not noticeable before. If that is the case, and I honestly don't know if it is or not, they would have to start scheming guys open, instead of relying on Allen to make something happen. Although obviously not ideal, I believe there could be some good that comes out of this.  

I've been begging for a better run attack for 3 years.  If for no other reason than to keep pressure off of Josh. Unfortunately the problem is we don't have the OL to do this. 

[Gugny]

Bryce Harper played most of the season with a torn UCL and hit .400 in the NLDS against the Atlanta Braves and .500 in the NLCS against the San Diego Padres.

 

What harm would it do Josh to throw a football?

 

[Alphadawg7]

3 hours ago, Irv said:

Maybe there is a bright side to JA17 getting injured. Never want anyone to get injured, but maybe this will force others, particularly the coaching staff, OL, and RB's to get the running game going for once.  The whole offence has totally relied on Josh for everything.  Now it's their turn tom step up and hopefully translate to a more balanced offense down the stretch.   

 

Get well soon JA.   

 

Except Josh got hurt in the pocket trying to make a throw.  Didn't have anything to do with our run game or Josh doing too much.  We were in a last drive situation where we had to pass no matter what.  Run game wouldn't ha changed that.  

 

But if you are saying, that it forces to get Dorsey to use the RB's more and spread the ball around more in the near term while Josh is recovering from the injury, well that could be one silver lining.

 

However, there is no real bright side here IMHO.  Having the heart and soul of our team and one of the best players in the NFL have a very dangerous injury to his elbow is not worth any silver lining.  I would have rather hoped Dorsey made those adjustments off the film, not because Josh has an injury on his throwing elbow.

 

In fact, my biggest concern thus far on Dorsey is the fact he hasn't made the necessary adjustments in the 2nd half's of the past 2 games. I want to know he can do that on his own more than do it because he had no choice.  

[LABILLBACKER]

4 minutes ago, Gugny said:

Bryce Harper played most of the season with a torn UCL and hit .400 in the NLDS against the Atlanta Braves and .500 in the NLCS against the San Diego Padres.

 

What harm would it do Josh to throw a football?

 

Bryce didn't throw 1 baseball since coming back from his injury.  He DH'd the rest of the season and playoffs. Hitting doesn't put near as much strain on your ulner nerve as throwing.

[Nephilim17]

Injuries in and of themselves are never good. But I believe Josh sitting on the sideline and watching the game and reflecting about his recent struggles may lead to a wiser Josh when he returns.  Sometimes when things are going bad a break and some time off are a  good thing.

[Gugny]

3 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Bryce didn't throw 1 baseball since coming back from his injury.  He DH'd the rest of the season and playoffs. Hitting doesn't put near as much strain on your ulner nerve as throwing.

 

It's practically the same motion, just one is vertical and one is horizontal.

 

[BarleyNY]

3 hours ago, Irv said:

Maybe there is a bright side to JA17 getting injured. Never want anyone to get injured, but maybe this will force others, particularly the coaching staff, OL, and RB's to get the running game going for once.  The whole offence has totally relied on Josh for everything.  Now it's their turn tom step up and hopefully translate to a more balanced offense down the stretch.   

 

Get well soon JA.   

In dark times it often helps to find a silver lining in tragedy. But sometimes there isn’t one. 

[KHAN]

[HappyDays]

It isn't a good thing, at all, but we can draw positives from it if the offense adapts.

 

3 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Plus, with how he has played recently— may be nice for him to watch from the sidelines for a different perspective. 

 

No this is ridiculous. Every QB goes through bad stretches of play. You fix it by refocusing in between games and then playing. Allen is probably beating himself up over some of the easy completions he missed seeing against the Jets, he'll get his mindset right for the next game. He has never once been unable to fix a problem.

[WotAGuy]

Was it a bad thing when Reich replaced Kelly and led the greatest comeback in NFL playoff history?

3 hours ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

 

“It’s 11 o’clock. Do you know where your children are?”

 

“Topping tonight’s Eyewitness News, a three alarm fire guts a warehouse in Buffalo and another fatal shooting rocks the city’s west side. … Don’t touch your dial.”

You forgot to mention the “pistol packing punks”

[Chandler#81]

1 minute ago, WotAGuy said:

Was it a bad thing when Reich replaced Kelly and led the greatest comeback in NFL playoff history?

Frank did a great job in ‘89 as well, leading us to 3 straight wins including a MNF home game last second victory vs the Rams.

[msw2112]

3 hours ago, Irv said:

Maybe there is a bright side to JA17 getting injured. Never want anyone to get injured, but maybe this will force others, particularly the coaching staff, OL, and RB's to get the running game going for once.  The whole offence has totally relied on Josh for everything.  Now it's their turn tom step up and hopefully translate to a more balanced offense down the stretch.   

 

Get well soon JA.   

 

Allen's injury is not a good thing.  But, I agree that if Keenum starts, the Bills get the running game going, the defense returns to form (stopping the run like it did in the first few games) and beat the Vikings, at least some good will have come out of a bad situation.

 

The better situation is that Allen is OK, he plays, the Bills beat the Vikings, and also get more of the running game and run defense going. 

[Bob in STL]

3 hours ago, Irv said:

Maybe there is a bright side to JA17 getting injured. Never want anyone to get injured, but maybe this will force others, particularly the coaching staff, OL, and RB's to get the running game going for once.  The whole offence has totally relied on Josh for everything.  Now it's their turn tom step up and hopefully translate to a more balanced offense down the stretch.   

 

Get well soon JA.   

You would think it would be easier to get the running game going with the threat of Allen's passing in the lineup. 

 

There will be no fear of Keenam, and there will be 7 (or 8) in the box if we try to run all day.   

 

Defense and ST will have to come up big too.  

[BIGFOOTspaceman]

Like we haven't had enough injuries already this season....now they're a good thing?  Especially to JA....83% of the Bills offense.  

 

This is what we would call at work as " The Hump du jour" or Ass of the day.

[Nextmanup]

4 hours ago, Irv said:

Maybe there is a bright side to JA17 getting injured. Never want anyone to get injured, but maybe this will force others, particularly the coaching staff, OL, and RB's to get the running game going for once.  The whole offence has totally relied on Josh for everything.  Now it's their turn tom step up and hopefully translate to a more balanced offense down the stretch.   

 

Get well soon JA.   

You are currently in Stage 3 of the 5 stage grieving process:  Bargaining.

 

 

[KHAN]

19 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

Frank did a great job in ‘89 as well, leading us to 3 straight wins including a MNF home game last second victory vs the Rams.

Rumor  has it that Frank's available...

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, UKBillFan said:

I’m not much less confident in winning on Sunday with Keenum than I was with Josh, considering his plays over the past five quarters.

 

This is a good reason to just ignore your posts from now on. Thanks.

[UKBillFan]

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

This is a good reason to just ignore your posts from now on. Thanks.

 

In fairness, only the past five quarters. Josh's ceiling is massively higher than Keenum so clearly he'll be a huge loss.

[HappyDays]

45 minutes ago, Nephilim17 said:

But I believe Josh sitting on the sideline and watching the game and reflecting about his recent struggles may lead to a wiser Josh when he returns

 

Why would watching a game live from the sidelines help him more than watching all-22 game footage of his own play?

 

Have people on this board never seen a QB go through a slump and play their way out of it? It happened to Allen himself last year a couple of times. 20 years we waited for a franchise QB, one bad game and a bunch of fans are coming up with panicky solutions.