Rc2catch Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 This wasn’t as big an issue earlier in the season because the offense was firing and the D could stay aggressive. We’re not seeing the offense playing well and the defense certainly hasn’t been as aggressive on the line. They were dominating the line for quite some time there. Might have been better off running 5 defensive linemen today and just having edmunds out there. Without Rousseau that probably don’t work though, someone has to be able to drop in coverage occasionally. Rousseau is probably the best run stuffer on the team and his loss was felt. Still inexcusable someone should be able to step up considering the draft capital and free agency money spent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97bills Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 1 minute ago, Simon said: wtf are you watching? Edmunds may have had as many tackles today as the entire 8 man DLine rotation combined. Lol yea 8 yards down the field. Look I’m not a edmunds hater, but the guy isn’t good at run support. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 Just now, 97bills said: Lol yea 8 yards down the field. If you watched the game you would know that is a ginormous pile of horseshlt. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 Just now, 97bills said: Lol yea 8 yards down the field. Look I’m not a edmunds hater, but the guy isn’t good at run support. It's hard to be Edmunds agnostic. He's got a very evangelical fanbase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoudyBills Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 25 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Rookie corners 2 new safeties No Milano A rookie LB started for him Rousseau hurt in 1st half. Im stunned we only allowed 20 Their kicker made his 50 yarder. This game was going to be a slog. Allen played bad and we lost. There will not be a running game to bail us out when he’s bad. Because the RBs are average and the online is very average. This game was not going to be a slog going in, everyone thought the Bills offense would kill them. Josh sucked, hindsight, it was a slog. The thought that it would be one going into the game is horseshit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, benderbender said: It's hard to be Edmunds agnostic. He's got a very evangelical fanbase. If you can't see that he's clearly having the best season of his career by far, that is a "you" problem. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, CoudyBills said: This game was not going to be a slog going in, everyone thought the Bills offense would kill them. Josh sucked, hindsight, it was a slog. The thought that it would be one going into the game is horseshit. Then you haven’t been watching the Jets D Division game. On the road. Yes. It was Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoudyBills Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 Just now, Big Blitz said: Then you haven’t been watching the Jets D Division game. On the road. Yes. It was The line was clear, this is histrionics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo ill Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 Thead titles that start with "can we talk about" irritate me more than the subject matter the posters want to talk about. Not sure why. Anyway it's no secret the Bills defense is a finesse defense. That shouldn't matter as much if Allen isn't throwing ints every other posession. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Anyone know how much time Rousseau needed to miss today? Aside from the other injuries, wondering how much that may have further contributed to our stopping the run issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcalbillsfan Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 40 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said: We were up 14-3 and let the Jets cram the ball down our throats. And josh threw a pick giving the jets the ball right back in scoring position. Easy running situation with little stress on wilson cuz its an automatic feild goal at worst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 12 minutes ago, Norcalbillsfan said: And josh threw a pick giving the jets the ball right back in scoring position. Easy running situation with little stress on wilson cuz its an automatic feild goal at worst. The pick was thrown at 14-10, not 14-3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastport bills Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Without Hyde, Poyer and Milano, the pressure is on the front four to be stout. Unfortunately our young secondary can’t take good angles and tackle well. Now we’ll see just how good Frazier and our other defensive coaches are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Bad tackling team. Has been forever 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Big Blitz said: Rookie corners 2 new safeties No Milano A rookie LB started for him Rousseau hurt in 1st half. Im stunned we only allowed 20 Their kicker made his 50 yarder. This game was going to be a slog. Allen played bad and we lost. There will not be a running game to bail us out when he’s bad. Because the RBs are average and the online is very average. You can complain about rookie corners all you want, but is that hurting teams like the jets and Seahawks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcalbillsfan Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said: The pick was thrown at 14-10, not 14-3. Still at no point was wilson or the jets pressured to abandon the run. Never got out of their game plan, run the ball grind the clock, quick short passes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Norcalbillsfan said: Still at no point was wilson or the jets pressured to abandon the run. Never got out of their game plan, run the ball grind the clock, quick short passes. you said: Offense scores and goes up early forcing teams to abandon the run, and make qbs like wilson/ tannehill beat you with his arm. the Bills scored to make it 14-3. The Jets, who had very little going on offense to that point, marched 75 yards to make It 14-10, with only 12 of those 75 yards coming on the ground. Edited November 7, 2022 by Bermuda Triangle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mopreme Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 13 minutes ago, whorlnut said: You can complain about rookie corners all you want, but is that hurting teams like the jets and Seahawks? Two reasons, Bills rookies suck and their scheme sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 1 hour ago, jkeerie said: Even McD in his presser said we need to look at our run defense. That is great. McD is going to look at the tape 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Big Blitz said: There will not be a running game to bail us out when he’s bad. Because the RBs are average and the online is very average. Yup. It's going to be a problem when the weather turns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Milano and Poyer out is the biggest factor in the run defense. Still, it would be good to see some other formations such as 3 LBs in there occasionally, especially against a QB like the one we played today. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Hebert19 said: And we didn't change personnel at all? Jets went what. 90 yards without throwing the ball. Green Bay just ran us over in second half. I mean it's Wilson. We shouldn't be afraid to leave nickel. Ok Coach... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, Bob in STL said: Milano and Poyer out is the biggest factor in the run defense. Still, it would be good to see some other formations such as 3 LBs in there occasionally, especially against a QB like the one we played today. If I’m Beane, I’m literally walking into the coaches room with McD and Frazier and saying WHAT DO YOU NEED!? “Help me, help you…” “Im sorry the 9 man DL rotation headlined by Von Miller, $13M MLB, top 5 slot corner and RD1 CB wasn’t enough … clearly I’ve failed you by not signing an elite 4th Safety and only a RD3 LB as depth.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 tackling is still an issue We now saw why Hamlin is starting over Johnson, who was brutal today. Marlowe need to get going ASAP and Poyer needs to get healthy. Bernard also had a poor game too. Lots of blame to go around here as shown above Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 25 minutes ago, Mopreme said: Two reasons, Bills rookies suck and their scheme sucks. Ok, but why? Why are other rookies excelling and ours are meh? 10 minutes ago, SCBills said: If I’m Beane, I’m literally walking into the coaches room with McD and Frazier and saying WHAT DO YOU NEED!? “Help me, help you…” “Im sorry the 9 man DL rotation headlined by Von Miller, $13M MLB, top 5 slot corner and RD1 CB wasn’t enough … clearly I’ve failed you by not signing an elite 4th Safety and only a RD3 LB as depth.” You and I both already know that the Bills are gonna pick a safety in round 1 next draft. Book it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Lots of pain after a loss. Milano & Poyer out was the biggest problem with the defense today. A defense already missing Tre and Hyde. We finally showed a crack in the armor. There were so many things wrong with the Bills play on both sides of the ball today that it is not all on the offense or all on the defense. The Jets played better today. The Jets had made more plays and less mistakes. Things went their way too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 2 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: Literally anyone who can tackle? T.Johnson is an excellent tackler for his size but he’s not going to be too successful with trying to fight off blocks and making tackles on runners play after play. The absence of Milano, Poyer and Hyde really showed in this game. Also, what’s happened to the D-Line? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 2 hours ago, Big Blitz said: Rookie corners 2 new safeties No Milano A rookie LB started for him Rousseau hurt in 1st half. Im stunned we only allowed 20 Their kicker made his 50 yarder. This game was going to be a slog. Allen played bad and we lost. There will not be a running game to bail us out when he’s bad. Because the RBs are average and the online is very average. Add to that, wasn't Miller on injury report with ankle injury? Maybe it was affecting him out there as didn't se much of him today other than one play. worst overall game for D line it seemed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Somebody needs to explain to me what it is about the Jets offense that would have you in Nickel in the first place. No responses to that question yet. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Add to that, wasn't Miller on injury report with ankle injury? Maybe it was affecting him out there as didn't se much of him today other than one play. worst overall game for D line it seemed. Miller was the invisible man late in the game 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Bob in STL said: Lots of pain after a loss. Milano & Poyer out was the biggest problem with the defense today. A defense already missing Tre and Hyde. We finally showed a crack in the armor. There were so many things wrong with the Bills play on both sides of the ball today that it is not all on the offense or all on the defense. The Jets played better today. The Jets had made more plays and less mistakes. Things went their way too. I would argue our Defense was in worse shape personnel wise when we beat KC. I blame the D coaching for what we saw today on that side of the ball. 2 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said: Miller was the invisible man late in the game They were almost exclusively running the ball late. What is he supposed to do? 7 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Add to that, wasn't Miller on injury report with ankle injury? Maybe it was affecting him out there as didn't se much of him today other than one play. worst overall game for D line it seemed. The Jets were committed to the run and Frazier was committed to the Nickel. Not a good matchup. Edited November 7, 2022 by Billz4ever 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Edmunds is regressing Milano and Poyer were out Bernard should never have been drafted. He's tiny and not fast Bills overusing roster spots on special teams guys cuts down on young LBs to develop None of this matters if our MVP QB doesn't play his worst game in three years. Two red-zone INT's is inexcusable at his level. The Jets dropped a third INT. They were not tipped balls. They were just awful throws. But you need not overthink this. Josh is playing poorly and has really been careless with the football all year. He makes up for it by making run and pass plays all over the field. It's hard to tell him not to throw back across the filed when he has done it many times for big gains or scores. He just needs to be a bit more careful with the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 3 hours ago, Hebert19 said: And we didn't change personnel at all? Jets went what. 90 yards without throwing the ball. Green Bay just ran us over in second half. I mean it's Wilson. We shouldn't be afraid to leave nickel. No, we can’t talk about it. I brought it up after the GB games and was sent to my room by many posters here. The Run D and the play of the defensive line has been terrible. Whatever the opposite of “stout” is. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phypon Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Well, it seems that the temperature is that we can blame injuries on a blown season rather than coaching. Even though other teams have injuries too. Who was that guy that was a star on the Jets that didn't play??? Hall or something like that? Oh, and how many Jets players were in and out of the game all day due to injuries?? I guess injuries only affect the Bills. Think I'm going to change my screen name to "Frazier's Nickel". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 4 hours ago, GolfandBills said: The game is about Josh Allen being bad. Teams running the ball like that is not a sustainable way to win games. This team shouldn’t lose games only giving up 20 points. Disagree. Sure Allen played poorly with two bad INT's but he also sparked the O with some big time runs. The Bills O faced a very good D today. We would have needed Allen's A game today and instead we got his C game. The issue with the Bills D is that they played poorly at critical points in the game. It's not just the points given up but the failure to make stops at key times. The Jet drives after the Bills went up 14 - 3; at the start of the 3rd quarter and after the Bills pinned them inside their own 5 yard line were killers. Sometimes you have to win a low scoring game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoudyBills Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Billz4ever said: Somebody needs to explain to me what it is about the Jets offense that would have you in Nickel in the first place. No responses to that question yet. Taron is better than the 3rd linebacker? Throwing ***** at a wall here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, CoudyBills said: Taron is better than the 3rd linebacker? Throwing ***** at a wall here. Doesn't speak very highly of our LB corps if that's actually true. 😂 Third linebacker, extra lineman, whatever. It's like hey Frazier, do something besides standing there like a statue as they make it look like our defense is standing still. Edited November 7, 2022 by Billz4ever 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoudyBills Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Just now, Billz4ever said: Doesn't speak very highly of our LB corps if that's actually true. 😂 Third linebacker, extra lineman, whatever. It's like hey Frazier, do something besides stand there like a statue as they make it look like our defense is standing still. Did it look like the DTs were constantly blow off the ball in 1on1s? The early season game film highlights was all about how they were forcing double teams and the linebackers were flowing to stop the run. Something very different happened today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 4 hours ago, 97bills said: Edmunds has shown over and over he’s no help in stopping the run. Edmunds is playing solid football. We brought in big guys and beeefed up the dline to stop the run and it has paid off. Now teams are bringing in extra guys to help with the blocking and it’s working. Blame the coaching staff for sticking with the nickel. We are overmatched and easily overpowered in these situations. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 10 minutes ago, CoudyBills said: Did it look like the DTs were constantly blow off the ball in 1on1s? The early season game film highlights was all about how they were forcing double teams and the linebackers were flowing to stop the run. Something very different happened today. I swear it seems like we're playing with a different D-line than we were at the start of the season. Not getting the same pressure in the pass rush and getting pushed around against the run. I really don't get it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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