Bills trade for Nyheim Hines

[freddyjj]

54 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

A little bit concerned by this.

Bills have been giving their RBs about 17 touches per game.  Motor gets 10 of them, Cook and Moss have been splitting the rest.

A platoon of McKenzie, Crowder, and Shakir in the slot have been seeing about 10 targets per game

 

Giving Nyheim 6 rushes and 6 targets in the air seems kind of ambitious here.  There's only one ball, and I'd like to see Cook and Shakir continue to see some playing time.  If he's upset that he's only been seeing 7-8 touches per game with the Colts, is he going to settle in OK with the Bills?

Perhaps the staff at OBD are looking to use Hines in both the McKenzie (slot WR) and backup RB role.  Imagine a formation with 2 WR, TE and 2 RBs where they move Hines in motion to the slot.  Likley results in a LB one on one with him.

 

Given PR duties and in a hybrid WR/RB role can definitely see him getting 12-15 touches a game

 

In the 202o playoff game at Highmark Hines had 6 carries for 75 yds and 1 reception for 8 yds.  In 2021 laugher over the Bills at Highmark he had 4 carries for 31 yards.  Basic math yields 11 touches for 114 yards or over 10 yards per touch.  I can see how these numbers caught Beane's attention.

 

Speed kills.  And absolute speed kills absolutely.

Edited November 2, 2022 by freddyjj

[SCBills]

I think Crowder’s Bills tenure is over.  
 

Beane is already talking about how Hines can play slot for a full game, if needed.  We have McKenzie and Shakir… and judging by Beane’s comments and the NFL landscape, unless someone blows OBJ away with an offer or he’s just unable to play, he’s coming here.   

[BuffaloRebound]

Bills fans over-value Singletary.  He’s solid but isn’t dynamic and plays way too many snaps because we haven’t had anybody else.  The RB version of Levi Wallace.  Hynes will eat into his snaps.  

[YoloinOhio]

 

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

It’s crazy to me how such big decisions come about so quickly.  
 

Im sure the loose parameters for a deal were given to Indy beforehand, but still … as of 2:30, an hour and a half before the deadline, we were of the belief none of these moves would happen … wild. 

[Low Positive]

8 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

You have to think that Hines' agent made a last-second push to facilitate a trade. He really wanted out of there. The Colts are not creative offensively in ways that can use a guy like him. I'm not saying that he'll be great in Buffalo, but he stands a much better chance with Josh Allen and Ken Dorsey than he did with a power running team like the Colts.

[LLCoolCy]

1 minute ago, SCBills said:

It’s crazy to me how such big decisions come about so quickly.  
 

Im sure the loose parameters for a deal were given to Indy beforehand, but still … as of 2:30, an hour and a half before the deadline, we were of the belief none of these moves would happen … wild. 

 

We'll never know the exact timeline of events but I suspect Beane reach out on Monday to see if the Colts were selling offering the 6th for Hines and was rebuffed as being too low. It had been leaked there were a couple of teams looking into Nyheim's availability and then changed to he was getting moved by Tuesday Moring. I interpreted that as Nyheim figured out who was offering picks for him and decided he wanted out preferring going to Buffalo. I am sure the Colts tried for a better pick and Beane wouldn't do a 4th or something thus he thought the deal was dead with Hines going to a different team. Hines may have told the FO he wanted to go to Buffalo around 3PM and Beane made it a conditional 5th to show a bit of attrition and get a player that fits the offense/clubhouse perfectly.  I wouldn't be surprised if we hear the Colts did right by NH and took a lesser offer of conditional 5th/Moss over a better pick. 

[Beck Water]

22 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Bills fans over-value Singletary.  He’s solid but isn’t dynamic and plays way too many snaps because we haven’t had anybody else.  The RB version of Levi Wallace.  Hynes will eat into his snaps.  

 

That could happen. 

 

Singletary sees an average of 14 "touches" (carries + targets) a game, and 47 snaps a game.  That means on a lot of the remaining 33 snaps he's pass protecting in the backfield or at least chipping.  Hines is going to need to come up to speed on our protections and the RB's role to the point where Josh really trusts him to make much of a dent, because Josh has made it clear that he loves him some Motor

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

Bottom line is the Bills had to get faster at the RB position for more explosive plays. Hines fits the bill nicely. 

 

Singletary is too slow and can't run outside. 

 

It's no coincidence that the first TD scored scored from the RB group was from Cook who hardly ever plays 5 games into the season.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[John from Riverside]

49 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

Yes, I was too lazy to look into the Crowder thread. Thank you on the update.

 

Hines could have spent the rest of the year with a failing Colts team. He now has the opporunity to contribute to a possible SB winner. At minimum, he will increase his future earnings by not sulking and fitting in as best as he can. Of course, if he's poor character and dim, he may sulk. Hopefully that's not the case.

I really don’t think we’re going to see a sulking player he can be released with no cap it it’s off-season which means he’s going to need to play to get his dollars up

[hemma]

As an fyi, nfl.com gave Beane a B+ and Indy a C on this trade.

Appeared to be the biggest report card ‘spread’ of any of the trades.

 

Beane, doing the Beane.

[Big Turk]

1 minute ago, hemma said:

As an fyi, nfl.com gave Beane a B+ and Indy a C on this trade.

Appeared to be the biggest report card ‘spread’ of any of the trades.

 

Beane, doing the Beane.

 

Wonder what they gave the Hughes-Sheppard trade...could be a similar result.  Moss was given a lot of opportunities to take carries from Singletary and he ended up giving him extra instead of taking them 

Edited November 2, 2022 by Big Turk

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Chandler#81]

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

13 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

Moss, come on man.

[34-78-83]

For those that think Hines has anything to do with Cook, it doesn't. Cook is just getting started after his slow start. It's clear ON THE FIELD that the coaches are trusting him more and more (he was in on a whole 4th quarter drive with the lead shrinking away due to those foolish couple throws by Josh). And Cook is showing good signs now of his value in our scheme.

 

 

Side note ... Ain't nothing do to with Singletary either. He's doing exactly what they need him to out there.

Edited November 2, 2022 by 34-78-83

[hemma]

Almost feels like Beane smelled blood in the water at Indy after Ryan’s demotion, seemingly by Irsay.

Wouldn’t surprise me if Irsay is in ‘blow it up mode’ for more picks and that he’s the one who approved of Beane’s lowball offer.

[SCBills]

I’m just glad we finally have legit speed options all over the offense.

 

Hines, Cook and McKenzie gives us a ton of speed options at RB/Slot while teams focus on Diggs and Davis outside, along with a fast TE in Knox. 

[Pags24]

Very excited about this trade!  Hines is so versatile, RB, WR, Punt Returner....he's going to be an asset to our squad.  I also know that he's the type of guy that I'll love rooting for.  Hard working, plays with his heart, 110% effort on every play type of player

[Mrbojanglezs]

It's clear the bills do not think Cook is ready, maybe he is having a hard time understanding all the passing concepts and option routes 

[Process]

Pretty crazy how these guys get traded and in hours are in a new city practicing with their new team.

 

I'm assuming they just stay at a hotel at first? How is that even enough time to pack up enough stuff to last before you can get back. 

 

I'm sure their agents handle most of it but damn. 

 

 

[HereComesTheReignAgain]

7 minutes ago, Process said:

 

 

 

Moss was going to get his physical this morning, but couldn't see the open training room door and ran into the wall instead.

Edited November 2, 2022 by HereComesTheReignAgain

[Buffalo_Stampede]

It was interesting to hear Beane say he’s been after Hines for a couple years. They don’t stop trying for players they want.

Edited November 2, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede

[billsfan1959]

21 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said:

It's clear the bills do not think Cook is ready, maybe he is having a hard time understanding all the passing concepts and option routes 

 

According to Brandon Beane in in his presser today, they anticipate using Cook more as the season goes on....

[No_Matter_What]

5 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

Ok I will play. Chiefs. Cap is “real” so they paid how many WRs this year in Cap hits to replace the cap hit of Hill?  
 

and a single move cleared their cap up. When you have your QB and all that space in the Bank of your QB (just cash it) during Allen’s window Cap will not hurt them. 

Well they paid couple of relatively cheap WRs, I am not sure what your point is. I am not arguing that you can't pay all players for a short term, or that you can't pay many cheap players longterm, I am just saying that you can't pay everybody longterm and that salary cap is a real limitation.

 

So, to ask you once again:

 

If cap is not "real", what other reason do you think Chiefs had when they traded Hill away?

 

As for the Bills, I am pretty sure they would be more than happy to resign/extend Poyer, Oliver, Edmunds, Singletary, Phillips, Jackson, Davis, etc, and still add some top FA. But they won't, and the only reason is that cap is more than real.

[BuffaloBillyG]

31 minutes ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said:

Moss was going to get his physical this morning, but couldn't see the open training room door and ran into the wall instead.

That's where Nyheim's an instant upgrade. As the old saying goes "Hines sight is 20/20".

[NoSaint]

Zach moss is slow again 

[Scott7975]

13 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

The day after I buy the 130 dollar Moss jersey.  I suck at shopping.

 

Thank you for taking one for the team.

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

Oh no Indy is going to get buyers remorse and find something to fail in his physical.

[SCBills]

Chiefs trading Hill and then signing a couple WR’s isn’t an example of the cap not being real.   It’s a very real example that it is. 
 

The cap is real in the sense that if you hand out a massive contract to a guy you are afraid won’t play to the level you’re paying after a year, two etc., that’s when you get in trouble.  
 

Chiefs clearly felt Hill may hit a wall at some point during his contract where his guaranteed money becomes an issue relative to his play.  
 

Instead, they signed two WR’s to short term contracts for around the same money combined.  Key phrase.. short term.  They aren’t locked down by MVS or Juju.  
 

Also, they got picks.  Picks are how you keep a roster stacked around a top heavy roster.  
 

They used some draft capital to bring in Kadarius Toney, who still has two more years left on a rookie deal.  
 

All moves made due to the cap being real.  
 

It can be manipulated, but if Hill drops off a cliff in Year 3 of that Dolphins contract, Miami is on a world of hurt if they’re looking at needing to pay Tua. 
 

It’s why Poyer isn’t signed long term.  If we give him a massive contract, which a few teams likely will offer after this season, but he continues to have injury plagued seasons, we all of a sudden find ourselves with a 3-4 year albatross of a contract. 
 

Edited November 2, 2022 by SCBills

[Scott7975]

 

 

[NoSaint]

15 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Now don't categorize all fans that way...........I got home from the game Monday and I had a notification from screwball going by @MasterStrategist calling me out after McKenzie put up a spectacular 14 yards on two touches.    Man that gameday thread is a den of idiocy. 😂

 

I am a known scoffer of RB impact and the idea of a RB being "another WR" on the field............but Nyheim Hines is electric and far more coordinated than the stiff, hard-handed Lil' Dummy.   No, he's not a $10M/year slot receiver either but the price was right and he gives them more versatility and gets a rookie and hopefully McKenzie off the field on special teams.    He's also just quicker and more elusive in pass routes than James Cook.   Cook is closer to a volume carry RB than him.  They are not redundant, IMO.

agreed on all fronts. 
 

and also got called out for saying 3 touches for 10 yards did not qualify as a “great game” 

 

I think he worked his way right off the team this year, and Hines replaced all his “pure athlete” touches and shakir/crowder(Beckham?) take his 3rd WR work by the time post season arrives (disclaimer for injuries)

[LABILLBACKER]

Hines in 2020-2021

●1448 combined all purpose 

●10 tds

●Only started 4 games

That's alot of production for his limited play.

[Scott7975]

 

[Warriorspikes51]

I really like the idea of Cook, Hines and McKenzie on the field at the same time.  That's a lot of speed

[Scott7975]

This dude is fricken fast.  Im stoked about this trade.

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

 

 

 

 

 

 

[hemma]

Definitely sounds like a Process guy.

Edited November 2, 2022 by hemma

[NewEra]

4 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Ha!  I'm sorry for not keeping up with the #4 Running Back on the Indianapolis Colts. I have to say that I'm constantly impressed with the level of interest shown by so many on here. I guess it's partly because I refuse to play Fantasy Football. But...just wait until you get old, young man, and all of these players will start running together in your head as well. (kidding)

He gashed us in the 2020 playoff game- he was their #2 rb for the last 4 years.  

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, NewEra said:

He gashed us in the 2020 playoff game- he was their #2 rb for the last 4 years.  

When the ‘gashing’ begins I normally avert my eyes. 😉