Week 9: Bills at Jets - Sunday Nov. 6th 1pm

[Logic]

The Bills could realistically be without Tremaine Edmunds, Matt Milano, and Jordan Poyer on defense this week. Von Miller also missed practice today with an ankle injury.

Luckily, the Jets offense is not at all imposing, and there's a decent chance the Bills defense can handle them even missing the above players.

Still, the clean injury report didn't last long for Buffalo.

[Beck Water]

2 hours ago, Big Turk said:

Something many are forgetting...

 

In the last game of the year last year, a 27-10 win over these same Jets, Zach Wilson looked dreadful.  The Jets had 59 total yards of offense for the game and 40 of it came on a single pass play(to Crowder if I am not mistaken).  The Bills also played their backups for at least a quarter, so he did nothing against them either...

 

I honestly don't see the Jets doing much offensively this game, this is really bad matchup for a QB like Wilson especially with the Bills being so disciplined and always in the right spots defensively.

 

The Jets have really upgraded on defense this off season.    32 in the league 2021, 11th in the league so far this season.    Even better if you look at parameters like YPP and Y/A.  - very high there, one of the best Ds we've faced.

 

As far as the Bills D being really disciplined and always in the right spot defensively, we may be heading into this matchup without Poyer or either starting LB.  Edmunds may play, but he doesn't seem to be a guy who is great at playing through injuries.  And something was going on last week that allowed us to be gashed big in the run game.

32 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

Could have happened in the game, and he's 1 of the few players that doesn't need to practice but could still play on Sunday.

 

My guess:

1. Milano, Poyer, Brown will be ruled out tomorrow.  

2. Von and Tremaine questionable, but both play

3. Tre: I think we still sit him 1 more week, as he ramps up practice/football conditioning

 

Seem like fairly sound guesses to me, although it wouldn't shock me if McD says they're "game time" just to mess with Saleh

[Beck Water]

13 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

You are way over thinking this.  There is nothing much to learn returning punts.  Catch ball and follow the blocking scheme.  Its not hard for a RB to learn a few plays and contribute those few plays on a short week.  I dont expect much but I do expect him to be active and have a little involvement.

 

Well All Righty Then!  I am put straight!  We'll see Dorsey designing 8-10 plays that feature Hines on offense, just like SF did for CMC, and we'll see him taking 10-12 snaps on offense, which is about what James Cook has been seeing and about 2/3 of what Shakir took last couple games.

 

Wait, that's not what you're arguing? 

 

How about some context?  I was responding to a guy who said "I would bet there is) there isn't really any reason that Dorsey can't have 8-10 plays scripted up with Hines in mind. I expect him to be active this week as the prime PR and see 10-12 snaps...especially if we happen to get up big. He's a pro. "

 

Context matters.  I've said elsewhere that I thought we'd see Hines as a PR first, and it could be this week depending upon how sincere Beane was in saying Shakir had been doing a fine job there.  It's not alleged to be challenging weather in NJ at this point, sunny and mild with light winds.

Edited November 3, 2022 by Beck Water

[Big Turk]

14 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

You are way over thinking this.  There is nothing much to learn returning punts.  Catch ball and follow the blocking scheme.  Its not hard for a RB to learn a few plays and contribute those few plays on a short week.  I dont expect much but I do expect him to be active and have a little involvement.

 

Beane doesn't think so...specifically mentioned the swirling winds as it gets later in the season at Highmark could cause problems for a rookie like Shakir since he won't be used to it.

Edited November 3, 2022 by Big Turk

[Scott7975]

1 minute ago, Beck Water said:

 

Well All Righty Then!  I am put straight!  We'll see Dorsey designing 8-10 plays that feature Hines on offense, just like SF did for CMC, and we'll see him taking 10-12 snaps on offense, which is about what James Cook has been seeing and about 2/3 of what Shakir took last couple games.

 

Wait, that's not what you're arguing? 

 

How about some context?  I was responding to a guy who said "I would bet there is) there isn't really any reason that Dorsey can't have 8-10 plays scripted up with Hines in mind. I expect him to be active this week as the prime PR and see 10-12 snaps...especially if we happen to get up big. He's a pro. "

 

Context matters.  I've said elsewhere that I thought we'd see Hines as a PR first, and it could be this week depending upon how sincere Beane was in saying Shakir had been doing a fine job there.

 

Oh jesus calm down

1 minute ago, Big Turk said:

 

Beane doesn't think so...specifically mentioned the swirling winds as it gets later in the season at Highmark could cause problems for a rookie like Shakir since he won't be used to it.

 

He has experience in punt returning though.

[TheBrownBear]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

It's a fair point that it doesn't take a lot to get up to speed as a punt returner.  Guess will find out how sincere McBeane are when saying Shakir has been "doing a fine job" at PR.

 

 

I think McBeane are sincere with respect to Shakir, regardless of whether they hand the PR job to Hines.  I think with Shakir being a rookie they just want him to be able to devote his full attention to his role as our primary WR backup. 

[Big Turk]

1 minute ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Oh jesus calm down

 

He has experience in punt returning though.

 

He does, but he mentioned it as an additional benefit for having Hines ability to return punts on top of what he can do on the field on offense for us.

[Beck Water]

2 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

Oh jesus calm down

 

Maybe mind your own store, and put a few less keyboard clicks telling me what I'm doing and what I should do?

 

 

[UKBillFan]

20 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Sorry, but 200+ yds rushing by a team that was #1 in rush defense going into the game has surely a bunch of sloppy mistakes going on.

 

Fair point. Though I was thinking more about dropping interceptions (OK, we've done that too) or getting blown out. We haven't conceded more than 21 points all season. Offensively, we've scored less than 25 in three out of seven, and in all three we left points on the field.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Beck Water]

12 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

I think McBeane are sincere with respect to Shakir, regardless of whether they hand the PR job to Hines.  I think with Shakir being a rookie they just want him to be able to devote his full attention to his role as our primary WR backup. 

 

To be truthful, I don't think his punt receiving record so far fills them with confidence, but they're not going to throw Shakir under the bus publicly.   In poor weather, Shakir waved off 3 punts and FC 1 vs. Pittsburgh.  Obviously a wave-off is better than a muff, but one of them bounced to pin us deep, and previously, McD has made a point about wanting a punt reception to end with the ball in the receiver's hands.  Then he kind of muffed one vs. KC and we wound up on our own 4 yd line.  He did well vs. GB in very nice weather with still winds.

 

I think that Beane and McDermott had a legit concern as to whether Shakir could handle receiving punts in bad weather and swirling winds.  And, as I noted in the Hines trade thread, with Crowder's injury added to Hyde out for the season, they were pretty much down to "Shakir or, Who?" at PR. 

 

It would not shock me if having an experienced, steady option at PR was a primary motivation in trading for Hines.

 

I think the "devote your full attention to being a WR" is a face-saving out for Shakir.  If Hines does start receiving punts, I would expect Shakir to still take PR snaps in practice as a backup.

 

Just my opinion.

Edited November 3, 2022 by Beck Water

[Beck Water]

Milano seems to be moving pretty freely for a guy with an oblique injury.  Maybe we'll see him?

 

 

[ColoradoBills]

11 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

I think that Beane and McDermott had a legit concern as to whether Shakir could handle receiving punts in bad weather and swirling winds.  And, as I noted in the Hines trade thread, with Crowder's injury added to Hyde out for the season, they were pretty much down to "Shakir or, Who?" at PR. 

 

It would not shock me if having an experienced, steady option at PR was a primary motivation in trading for Hines.

 

I think the "devote your full attention to being a WR" is a face-saving out for Shakir.

 

Just my opinion.

 

I'm sure Himes as a PR was definitely included in the decision.  What exactly their faith in Shakir I won't try to estimate.

I do know that with Hyde out and a lack of faith in McKenzie as a punt returner left Shakir as the only option.

An injury to him would put them in a bad spot.

 

Even when Hines takes over the PR duties, I'm sure Shakir will still be taking punts in practice.  He just won't need to worry about

gameday duties.

[Solomon Grundy]

23 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

He does, but he mentioned it as an additional benefit for having Hines ability to return punts on top of what he can do on the field on offense for us.

I believe there's gonna be a lot of screens and passes to the RBs this week

[Scott7975]

32 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Maybe mind your own store, and put a few less keyboard clicks telling me what I'm doing and what I should do?

 

 

 

Dude what is wrong with you? You all angry because I said you over thought something lol.  

[Warcodered]

 

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

1 hour ago, UKBillFan said:

 

I think the issue is we are dominating but we're making so many sloppy mistakes on offense, which is making games closer than they should be. Defense, to date, less so.

 

 Yes there's been some sloppy play, but the offense is scoring almost 50% more points per drive(2.8) than the league average(1.9). This includes all drives in which we were kneeling the ball at the end of the half and end of the game. So you could drop maybe about 5-6 drives right there and the true number would be a little over 3.0. Not sure what the number is now, but as of 2015(All the info I could find) only 7 offenses had ever cracked the 3 points per drive barrier. 

 

 Less drives in a game, might be a factor also. The average number of drives has been steadily declining for over a decade. Sunday night's 27 points don't seem like alot, but when you consider Buffalo only had 8 drives plus 1 kneel down, they averaged 3.4 points a drive(not counting the kneel down) Sunday night. Again the league average is 1.9

 

 

[MiltonWaddams]

22 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Dude what is wrong with you? You all angry because I said you over thought something lol.  

How dare you question his anger?! A keyboard warrior must always protect their honor!

[ColoradoBills]

12 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

 

 

Wow, Dean is so happy to be back in Buffalo.

The "once a Bill, always a Bill" statement was cool.

I forgot about him playing for McDermott in Carolina.

Great to have him back with the situation at S.

[wjag]

2 hours ago, UKBillFan said:

 

I think the issue is we are dominating but we're making so many sloppy mistakes on offense, which is making games closer than they should be. Defense, to date, less so.

 

With the exception of maybe Philadelphia, most teams have sloppy drives and turnovers.  The difference is no one is paying attention to other teams.  The number of Bills national, prime time and big games coupled with the massive vegas odds to win each game, MVP and the bowl that has eluded us all brings intense weekly scrutiny.  Bills coast to victory against the Pack and the narrative is they slept through half of the game.  If the remainder of the season unfolds this way, I'd be very happy.  

[appoo]

 

 

Talented young players on the roster. Not nearly enough to for me to think they'll win Sunday, but they have some fun players, and Garrett Wilson is one of them

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

4 minutes ago, wjag said:

 

With the exception of maybe Philadelphia, most teams have sloppy drives and turnovers.  The difference is no one is paying attention to other teams.  The number of Bills national, prime time and big games coupled with the massive vegas odds to win each game, MVP and the bowl that has eluded us all brings intense weekly scrutiny.  Bills coast to victory against the Pack and the narrative is they slept through half of the game.  If the remainder of the season unfolds this way, I'd be very happy.  

 

 The Eagles must have some sloppiness in there somewhere. They have more drives and less points than the Bills.

 

 

[Beck Water]

21 minutes ago, MiltonWaddams said:

How dare you question his anger?! A keyboard warrior must always protect their honor!

 

Squeeze me.  Not even edging towards angry.  Guy misrepresented what I said, I point out the context which made his response kinda silly, sarcastically (but politely) and he's all "Oh jesus calm down!" now he's all "what's wrong with you, You all angry" - it's ridiculous, I haven't posted a word that's angry or lacking in calm.

 

Now you're all jumping in like you know something.

 

SMDH.

[freddyjj]

9 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 The Eagles must have some sloppiness in there somewhere. They have more drives and less points than the Bills.

 

 

maybe because they have punted 15 more times than the Bills

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

1 minute ago, freddyjj said:

maybe because they have punted 15 more times than the Bills

 

 Yes. That would lead me to believe there are stretches of sloppiness on offense. Maybe not turnovers, but sloppiness all the same.

 

 

[Scott7975]

6 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

LOL

 

But being serious....the "well-timed" bit will probably take more than 3 practices to get down.

 

I'd like to see Hines out there returning punts this week, but being realistic, I don't think he's active for a week or 2 until he masters the playbook.  But after listening to his press conference I have no doubt he will do so in short order.  Stretch goal, wonder if we could see him for the Vikings?

 

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

Well All Righty Then!  I am put straight!  We'll see Dorsey designing 8-10 plays that feature Hines on offense, just like SF did for CMC, and we'll see him taking 10-12 snaps on offense, which is about what James Cook has been seeing and about 2/3 of what Shakir took last couple games.

 

Wait, that's not what you're arguing? 

 

How about some context?  I was responding to a guy who said "I would bet there is) there isn't really any reason that Dorsey can't have 8-10 plays scripted up with Hines in mind. I expect him to be active this week as the prime PR and see 10-12 snaps...especially if we happen to get up big. He's a pro. "

 

Context matters.  I've said elsewhere that I thought we'd see Hines as a PR first, and it could be this week depending upon how sincere Beane was in saying Shakir had been doing a fine job there.  It's not alleged to be challenging weather in NJ at this point, sunny and mild with light winds.

 

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

Maybe mind your own store, and put a few less keyboard clicks telling me what I'm doing and what I should do?

 

 

 

19 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Squeeze me.  Not even edging towards angry.  Guy misrepresented what I said, I point out the context which made his response kinda silly, sarcastically (but politely) and he's all "Oh jesus calm down!" now he's all "what's wrong with you, You all angry" - it's ridiculous, I haven't posted a word that's angry or lacking in calm.

 

Now you're all jumping in like you know something.

 

SMDH.

 

Yeah lets look at some context. In the first quoted post was the first time I see you comment on Hines.  Pretty clear in that post alone that you dont think he can be active or play until he learns the full playbook.  I then see a later comment that you are indicating he cant really play.  I said you were over thinking it and that he could return punts and probably have a few package plays that would be easy for him to learn.  There is zero reason to have him inactive until he learns the entire playbook.

 

You then try to be comical and you were condescending in your response.  To which I said calm down.  There was no need for your condescending aggressiveness.  Then you tell me to mind my business and stop telling you what to do basically.  It was my business.  You were being condescending towards me for zero reason. So, imo there is something wrong with you as you got an attitude over NOTHING.

 

There is your context. 

Edited November 3, 2022 by Scott7975

[ShakAttack]

2 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

 

So if we learn to dominate then we would be +200 instead of +105 differential?

the “bills need to dominate lesser opponents” narrative is kinda funny to me when we lead the league in point differential last I checked. It happened once this year against Green Bay and people make it seem like a trend because it was the last game they saw and on National tv. Losing to Miami doesn’t count at all because with all the injuries and heat we were pretty evenly matched to start the game (even though we wouldn’t have been in normal circumstances). The other 2 close games we won were Ravens and KC, who will be in the playoffs, so.. yeah.  It DID become an issue at times last year - incidentally, after the bye - but it’s not a “thing” this year… yet.  These aholes need to stop before they speak it into existence 

[Low Positive]

53 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 The Eagles must have some sloppiness in there somewhere. They have more drives and less points than the Bills.

 

 

Eagles almost lost to an awful Cards team and only beat the Jags at home by 8. Do they need to learn to dominate inferior competition? We get tricked into seeing them as perfect because we are only seeing highlights.

[MiltonWaddams]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

Squeeze me.  Not even edging towards angry.  Guy misrepresented what I said, I point out the context which made his response kinda silly, sarcastically (but politely) and he's all "Oh jesus calm down!" now he's all "what's wrong with you, You all angry" - it's ridiculous, I haven't posted a word that's angry or lacking in calm.

 

Now you're all jumping in like you know something.

 

SMDH.

Chill out. My response was a general statement about how people jump down other posters throats about perceived slights. You're a guy on a computer. He doesn't know you from Paddy in Dublin. Don't get all worked up. Don't be a Keyboard Warrior.

Edited November 3, 2022 by MiltonWaddams

[HappyDays]

 

Joe's breakdown of Zach Wilson's play this season is worth listening to. To summarize, Wilson is holding the ball for longer than almost any QB, but he isn't pushing the ball downfield, and when he does push the ball downfield it isn't going well. The Jets run a Shanahan scheme which is designed to get the ball out quick but Wilson isn't playing within the system which is leading to defensive pressure and he's performing extremely poorly under pressure. I don't expect him to suddenly turn it around against our defense.

[The Wiz]

1 hour ago, appoo said:

 

 

Talented young players on the roster. Not nearly enough to for me to think they'll win Sunday, but they have some fun players, and Garrett Wilson is one of them

Now show that catch with a defender on him.

 

I'm sure high and behind him is exactly what he likes. 

Edited November 3, 2022 by The Wiz

[SACTOBILLSFAN]

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Joe's breakdown of Zach Wilson's play this season is worth listening to. To summarize, Wilson is holding the ball for longer than almost any QB, but he isn't pushing the ball downfield, and when he does push the ball downfield it isn't going well. The Jets run a Shanahan scheme which is designed to get the ball out quick but Wilson isn't playing within the system which is leading to defensive pressure and he's performing extremely poorly under pressure. I don't expect him to suddenly turn it around against our defense.

Wilson is trash. He did this his senior year at BYU when they played absolutely nobody and had a massive advantage at WR compared to the DBs they played. When he holds the ball for more than 2.7s he completes 19% of his passes. It’s actually comical just how bad he is 

[LeGOATski]

1 hour ago, SACTOBILLSFAN said:

Wilson is trash. He did this his senior year at BYU when they played absolutely nobody and had a massive advantage at WR compared to the DBs they played. When he holds the ball for more than 2.7s he completes 19% of his passes. It’s actually comical just how bad he is 

Jets fans that want Mike White might not be wrong... He at least keeps the offense on schedule. With their defense, that might be enough to win some games that Zach Wilson would otherwise throw away.

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, MiltonWaddams said:

Chill out. My response was a general statement about how people jump down other posters throats about perceived slights. You're a guy on a computer. He doesn't know you from Paddy in Dublin. Don't get all worked up. Don't be a Keyboard Warrior.

 

Oh, Good Grief.

 

This is Irony, Right?  Wait, wait, don’t tell me….

 

I’m off to talk football with someone who’s there for that, not two (:???) guys who are here to psychoanalyze other posters.  Peace out…have fun with your gig!

[Doc Brown]

6 hours ago, MasterStrategist said:

Could have happened in the game, and he's 1 of the few players that doesn't need to practice but could still play on Sunday.

 

My guess:

1. Milano, Poyer, Brown will be ruled out tomorrow.  

2. Von and Tremaine questionable, but both play

3. Tre: I think we still sit him 1 more week, as he ramps up practice/football conditioning

Hope so.  Our most important game over the next four.  Need at least Von and Tremaine out there if Milano and Poyer are out.

Edited November 4, 2022 by Doc Brown

[appoo]

4 hours ago, The Wiz said:

Now show that catch with a defender on him.

 

I'm sure high and behind him is exactly what he likes. 

well with his QB…

[transplantbillsfan]

9 hours ago, jletha said:

 

Bills need to learn how to dominate...apparently.

 

Only a few short weeks after needing to learn how to win close. Next we need to learn how to tie?

 

All I know is we better see some MASSIVE criticism of the Eagles after tonight's game against one of the worst teams in the NFL.

 

Last week Buffalo dominated the 1st half and went up by 17 and seemed just happy to let Green Bay eat clock while getting some yards and points.

 

The Eagles were tied with one of the worst teams in football well into the 3rd quarter.

[Bangarang]

Safe to probably assume Poyer and Milano miss Sunday.

[NickelCity]

11 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

All I know is we better see some MASSIVE criticism of the Eagles after tonight's game against one of the worst teams in the NFL.

 

Last week Buffalo dominated the 1st half and went up by 17 and seemed just happy to let Green Bay eat clock while getting some yards and points.

 

The Eagles were tied with one of the worst teams in football well into the 3rd quarter.

 

You're not wrong, but at this point it's just waiting to hoist the lombardi. Nothing else will do. 

[stevewin]

5 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Joe's breakdown of Zach Wilson's play this season is worth listening to. To summarize, Wilson is holding the ball for longer than almost any QB, but he isn't pushing the ball downfield, and when he does push the ball downfield it isn't going well. The Jets run a Shanahan scheme which is designed to get the ball out quick but Wilson isn't playing within the system which is leading to defensive pressure and he's performing extremely poorly under pressure. I don't expect him to suddenly turn it around against our defense.

It seems every time I've seen Wilson this year when he feels pressure he does these ridiculous long wide scrambles, and sometimes halts and backs up even more - by the time he tries to throw he's run like 20 useless yards behind the LOS and somehow ends up with more people in this face than when he started 

Edited November 4, 2022 by stevewin