NFL Week 8: Packers at Bills - post game thread

[Scott7975]

2 hours ago, The Wiz said:

Anyone have the clip of Diggs post TD?  Apparently after the TD he threw the ball at Alexander.  I didn't notice it real time but I know they were going at it all game and wouldn't be surprised if it did happen.

 

I seen a clip of Alexander pushing Diggs helmet in the dirt and the ref pulled him away.  I dont like that Gabe lost his cool but I also get it.  Alexander had extra caricular activities that went uncalled.  Throught I read somewhere he tackled Diggs oob after the TD or something too.

[Bruffalo]

32 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Well I hope we dont let them run the ball and still win by double digits, that would be horrible.

I'm not sure what Wilson has been doing qualifies as passing the ball though. 

[sonyab1974]

So does this mean the Packers are out of the playoffs?

[Billz4ever]

17 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Oh we're reworking other things in the game too, pretty sure there were a few plays/penalties that if different would have given us more points as well.

The Bills played a terrible second half and instead of making the other team beat us with the weakest part of their offense, we somehow decided letting them gash our D on the ground was the better option.

 

Makes zero sense.

[Mark Vader]

2 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

He called two of his own plays boneheaded and stupid. Which to me sounds like an admission of focus lost on the task at hand.

In the second half, yes.

 

In the first half Allen was smooth.

 

Either way, this is not an issue and nothing to be overly concerned about. 

 

Sometimes players have games like this. It happens.

[Billz4ever]

18 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

It's my impression Josh got pulled in there with them a bit and tried to force the ball.

 

My biggest concern is whether Josh actually may have dinged up a shoulder or something in the 1st half and it stiffened during halftime.  He took a couple hard hits.

 

Josh 1st half: 8 of 11 (72%) for 129 gross yards, 127 net yards; 0 INT, 2 for 2 in red zone

Josh 2nd half: 5 of 14 (36%) for 89 gross and net yards, 0 for 2 in red zone

 

It's possible GB made a defensive coverage change that gave Josh less time, but he also seemed to be missing throws he would normally hit. 

 

 

Yeah, Dude, you can't do that.  If one play is different, then the entire game is different and maybe we make different plays with different results.

We all saw the plays the Bills were making the second half. Can we please stop sugar coating the fact that the Bills played a lousy second half of football and instead of putting them away with our D, we let them gash our D instead of making them beat us with the weakest part of their team, their receivers.

 

The Packers are a bad football team right now and we made them look better than they are.

[Scott7975]

27 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

If the OPI is not called (and plays like that are not at least 50% of the time) and Crosby makes that FG, there's no need for an onside kick.  The game would've been tied on the FG.

 

We were not comfortably ahead and the people here claiming we were, were just like everyone else in that Stadium...it wasn't until Crosby missed that FG, did people breathe a sigh of relief.

 

People like you breathing sigh of relief.  I was joking at half time and telling everyone all second half long that the game was over at halftime.  I said it at least 4 or 5 times throughout the second half while people like you freaked out.  Just because you get some BBFS over some game from last season doesnt mean everyone does.  You cannot come back from 3 scores running the football and taking 11 minutes to get 3 points.  Simple mathmatics.

Edited October 31, 2022 by Scott7975

[Warcodered]

4 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

The Bills played a terrible second half and instead of making the other team beat us with the weakest part of their offense, we somehow decided letting them gash our D on the ground was the better option.

 

Makes zero sense.

 

1 minute ago, Billz4ever said:

We all saw the plays the Bills were making the second half. Can we please stop sugar coating the fact that the Bills played a lousy second half of football and instead of putting them away with our D, we let them gash our D instead of making them beat us with the weakest part of their team, their receivers.

 

The Packers are a bad football team right now and we made them look better than they are.

 

We won by 10, have some things to clean up nobodies arguing that.

[Billz4ever]

Just now, Scott7975 said:

 

People like you breathing sigh of relief.  I was joking at half time and telling everyone all second half long that the game was over at halftime.  I said it at least 4 or 5 times throughout the second half while people like you freaked out.  Just because you get some BBFS over some game from last season doesnt mean everyone does.

You go right ahead and be happy with the way they played the second half.  I'm not.

1 minute ago, Warcodered said:

 

 

We won by 10, have some things to clean up nobodies arguing that.

And it should've been by at least 20, but we decided GBs offense was the Curt Warner Rams and decided we needed to play nickel to stop the passes they weren't doing anyway.

[Scott7975]

9 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

The Bills played a terrible second half and instead of making the other team beat us with the weakest part of their offense, we somehow decided letting them gash our D on the ground was the better option.

 

Makes zero sense.

 

I wasnt aware that our defense called their offensive plays.

[Gugny]

A Summary Haiku:

 

Bills win by two scores

Giving up seventeen points

Bills fans say, "Bills Suck!"

 

Idiots.

[Warcodered]

4 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

And it should've been by at least 20, but we decided GBs offense was the Curt Warner Rams and decided we needed to play nickel to stop the passes they weren't doing anyway.

I wasn't aware our defense prevented us from scoring points.

[Scott7975]

3 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

You go right ahead and be happy with the way they played the second half.  I'm not.

And it should've been by at least 20, but we decided GBs offense was the Curt Warner Rams and decided we needed to play nickel to stop the passes they weren't doing anyway.

 

I never said I was happy with the way they played the second half.  In fact I said I wasnt happy about the sloppyness and the two Ints.  Doesnt change that the game was never in question and worrying about them running it down our throats for no points while eating their own clock is ridiculous.

[Motorin']

9 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

You go right ahead and be happy with the way they played the second half.  I'm not.

And it should've been by at least 20, but we decided GBs offense was the Curt Warner Rams and decided we needed to play nickel to stop the passes they weren't doing anyway.

 

You don't know what you're talking about. 

[Beck Water]

8 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

We all saw the plays the Bills were making the second half. Can we please stop sugar coating the fact that the Bills played a lousy second half of football and instead of putting them away with our D, we let them gash our D instead of making them beat us with the weakest part of their team, their receivers.

 

The Packers are a bad football team right now and we made them look better than they are.

 

I'm not "sugar coating" that.  In fact, ironically enough in my post to which you responded, I actually gave Josh's passing statistics 1st half vs 2nd half.

 

I'm CALLING YOU OUT on your specious game of "what if" ing Packers plays but not Bills plays: "If the OPI is not called (and plays like that are not at least 50% of the time) and Crosby makes that FG, there's no need for an onside kick.  The game would've been tied on the FG."

 

You can't do that.  Once one play is different, the rest of the game is different

[Billz4ever]

3 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I'm not "sugar coating" that.  In fact, ironically enough in my post to which you responded, I actually gave Josh's passing statistics 1st half vs 2nd half.

 

I'm CALLING YOU OUT on your specious game of "what if" ing Packers plays but not Bills plays: "If the OPI is not called (and plays like that are not at least 50% of the time) and Crosby makes that FG, there's no need for an onside kick.  The game would've been tied on the FG."

 

You can't do that.  Once one play is different, the rest of the game is different

You aren't calling anyone out considering in the postgame, Von even said they didn't play as well as they would've hoped for on the D.

 

Think the defensive scheme that allowed them to gash the D on the ground had anything to do with that?   Nah, couldn't have been.

 

You force the other team to beat you.  Not play like you're scared of the weakest part of their offense.

[Scott7975]

3 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

You aren't calling anyone out considering in the postgame, Von even said they didn't play as well as they would've hoped for on the D.

 

Think the defensive scheme that allowed them to gash the D on the ground had anything to do with that?   Nah, couldn't have been.

 

You force the other team to beat you.  Not play like you're scared of the weakest part of their offense.

 

Maybe they just werent scared of their running game?  Kind of likely since no running game is catching them up 3 scores when they take an average of over 5 minutes per drive just to get in field goal range.

[dickleyjones]

6 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

You force the other team to beat you. 

 

Not play like you're scared of the weakest part of their offense.

they did. they didn't. they won.

 

you are wrong.

[Beck Water]

44 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

You aren't calling anyone out considering in the postgame, Von even said they didn't play as well as they would've hoped for on the D.

 

Think the defensive scheme that allowed them to gash the D on the ground had anything to do with that?   Nah, couldn't have been.

 

You force the other team to beat you.  Not play like you're scared of the weakest part of their offense.

 

No, I'm specifically calling YOU out on one SPECIFIC POINT: Don't dunk on the Bills game by changing the outcome of specific plays for the opponent as you did up-thread.  If the DPI doesn't overturn the TD, the score would have been closer (it would have been closer by 4 points, not 7 because GB did get a FG on that drive - so the missed FG would still not have tied it as you claimed)

 

Why is this so hard for you to understand?  Multiple things can be true - the Bills players and coaches can acknowledge that they didn't play as well as they wanted, AND it's inappropriate to fan the flames of a "woe is me! we sucked!" fanario by selectively changing the result of a few plays for the opponent and saying "OMG if that play had been different we would have lost!" - because one can also selectively change a few plays on offense and say "OMG if that play had been different we would have had a bigger lead."   If Dane Jackson doesn't get called for "illegal use of hands" (a penalty that often goes uncalled) letting an 8 yd sack stand, GB has 2nd and 18 from the GB 48 instead of 1st and 10 from the Buf 39, and maybe they don't score a TD on that drive.  If Dawkins isn't called for an offensive hold on 1st and 10 next drive, making it 1st and 20 instead of 2nd and 4, maybe the Bills score a TD instead of a FG.  If Davis isn't called for unnecessary roughness for shoving Alexander after a 1st down conversion making it 1st and 10 from the GB 34 instead of the GB 49, maybe the Bills score a FG instead of punt. 

 

See how the "What If?" game goes and how silly it is?

 

I think I'm going to give up trying to make this point because I don't know how I could possibly make it any clearer.

 

1 hour ago, Scott7975 said:

 

I seen a clip of Alexander pushing Diggs helmet in the dirt and the ref pulled him away.  I dont like that Gabe lost his cool but I also get it.  Alexander had extra caricular activities that went uncalled.  Throught I read somewhere he tackled Diggs oob after the TD or something too.

 

Pretty sure that was Rasul Douglas who grabbed Diggs as he was rolling to his feet and threw him down again (that should have been called).

 

Diggs said on one play after the catch, the DB was yanking on his finger (sounds like, trying to injure him).

 

If LeFleur has "zero tolerance" for certain kinds of play he needs to get control of his team, because it sounds as though they're confusing physical toughness with playing dirty.

Edited October 31, 2022 by Beck Water

[Billz4ever]

4 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

No, I'm specifically calling YOU out on that SPECIFIC POINT.  Don't dunk on the Bills game by changing the outcome of specific plays for the opponent as you did up-thread.  If the DPI doesn't overturn the TD, the score would have been closer (it would have been closer by 4 points, not 7 because GB did get a FG on that drive - so the missed FG would still not have tied it as you claimed)

 

Why is this so hard for you to understand?  Multiple things can be true - the Bills players and coaches can acknowledge that they didn't play as well as they wanted, AND it's inappropriate to fan the flames of a "woe is me! we sucked!" fanario by selectively changing the result of a few plays for the opponent and saying "OMG if that play had been different we would have lost!" - because one can also selectively change a few plays on offense and say "OMG if that play had been different we would have had a bigger lead."   If Dane Jackson doesn't get called for "illegal use of hands" (a penalty that often goes uncalled) letting an 8 yd sack stand, GB has 2nd and 18 from the GB 48 instead of 1st and 10 from the Buf 39, and maybe they don't score a TD on that drive.  If Dawkins isn't called for an offensive hold on 1st and 10 next drive, making it 1st and 20 instead of 2nd and 4, maybe the Bills score a TD instead of a FG.  If Davis isn't called for unnecessary roughness for shoving Alexander after a 1st down conversion making it 1st and 10 from the GB 34 instead of the GB 49, maybe the Bills score a FG instead of punt. 

 

See how the "What If?" game goes and how silly it is?

 

I think I'm going to give up trying to make this point because I don't know how I could possibly make it any clearer.

 

Pretty sure that was Rasul Douglas who grabbed Diggs as he was rolling to his feet and threw him down again (that should have been called).

 

Diggs said on one play after the catch, the DB was yanking on his finger (sounds like, trying to injure him).

 

If LeFleur has "zero tolerance" for certain kinds of play he needs to get control of his team, because it sounds as though they're confusing physical toughness with playing dirty.

Nah, you aren't calling anyone out because anyone with two eyes could plainly see the Bills played a terrible 2nd half of football against a bad team and the Bills failure to adapt to what the offense was doing made what should've been a blowout, barely a 10 pt win.  You wasted a lot of keystrokes there since I stopped reading after you once again think you're calling me out for something.

[Beck Water]

1 minute ago, Billz4ever said:

Nah, you aren't calling anyone out because anyone with two eyes could plainly see the Bills played a terrible 2nd half of football against a bad team and the Bills failure to adapt to what the offense was doing made what should've been a blowout, barely a 10 pt win.  You wasted a lot of keystrokes there since I stopped reading after you once again think you're calling me out for something.

 

@Billz4ever Reading comprehension:  FAIL

Into the bucket with you, my Fishie

[Billz4ever]

12 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

@Billz4ever Reading comprehension:  FAIL

Into the bucket with you, my Fishie

You replied to me homie, and don't forget it. 

 

Another one for the ignore bucket.

[Realist]

37 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

You replied to me homie, and don't forget it. 

 

Another one for the ignore bucket.

At this point, you are just arguing for the sake of arguing. Everyone here agrees they played poorly in the second half, even the team agrees they played poorly in the second half. I'm no longer sure what you are even complaining about when everyone agrees they did not play up to their potential in that half. As bad as they played in the second, I never thought they were going to lose. 

 

If they play like that in the playoffs, yes, they are going to lose. Even the team will tell you that. Point is, just because they played one bad half of football this week, does not mean they are going to play like that every game.

 

Lighten up Francis.

[EasternOHBillsFan]

Normally Colin has some pretty solid takes on teams, including the Bills, hammering them about losing close games and being too Josh-centric when running the ball which he was right about.

 

However...

 

Today he is hammering the Bills about "trash talking" when we were up 24-7, "lets you back into the game" and then goes on to praise the 49ers vs. the Rams who "have been in a Super Bowl unlike the Bills".

 

1. The "trash talking" began between Alexander and Diggs IN THE TUNNEL before the game even started.

2. Douglas threw Diggs to the ground, which really set off the chippiness and yapping.

3. The 49ers beat the Rams up just like we did in LA and NEVER let the Rams "back in the game"

4. The Dolphins, Ravens and Cowboys have let teams back in the game a lot and silence...

 

It really ticks me off that he is misrepresenting the Bills and what happened last night and makes me question if he did this on purpose or not. Did he not follow the events or was he too busy sipping wine on the back patio during most of the game?!?!

 

[TheBrownBear]

He's an idiot with a flamethrower.  I admit to listening to him occasionally, but you have to accept that he's going to just spout off asinine things from time to time.

[US Egg]

Oh No! Not him too!

[mikemac2001]

2 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

He's an idiot with a flamethrower.  I admit to listening to him occasionally, but you have to accept that he's going to just spout off asinine things from time to time.

Ya that’s how I took it - he needs a story today and it’s low hanging fruit. He typically says positive stuff about bills and Allen the only thing that’s dumb is this close game *****. We just beat KC in a close game two games ago

[Chugga]

Mission accomplished.  Colin Cowherd is consistently one of the biggest hypocrites out there.  Don’t get me wrong when he’s on the Bills bandwagon I tend to ignore it more but his takes change weekly.  What applies to one team one week doesn’t apply to the same team the next week.  If we don’t trash talk his take is most likely that we came out flat and didn’t show emotion in the second half.  He wants people tuning in and talking.  That’s why he’s a fan one week and not the next.  He’s flip flopped on Mahomes and Allen so many times I’ve lost count.

[Dablitzkrieg]

Imagine letting a talk show host live rent free in your head 🤣

[The Wiz]

His instant reaction to the game was just as bad talking about how we have no running game when that was probably the best running outside of Allen the bills have had all year.

[Gugny]

For some reason, @Mike in Horseheadsabsolutely WORSHIPS Colin Cowherd.  I wonder if this will change his mind.

[Big Turk]

His instant reaction after the game was how the Bills can't run the ball other than Josh Allen and how it's going to cost them at some point...after watching the Bills gash the Rams repeatedly on the ground with Singletary....

 

It's like did you even watch the game?

[Mike in Horseheads]

1 minute ago, Gugny said:

For some reason, @Mike in Horseheadsabsolutely WORSHIPS Colin Cowherd.  I wonder if this will change his mind.

LOL you smuck

[That's No Moon]

Cowherd is an OG moron. That never stopped being the case.

[SectionC3]

10 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

Normally Colin has some pretty solid takes on teams, including the Bills, hammering them about losing close games and being too Josh-centric when running the ball which he was right about.

 

However...

 

Today he is hammering the Bills about "trash talking" when we were up 24-7, "lets you back into the game" and then goes on to praise the 49ers vs. the Rams who "have been in a Super Bowl unlike the Bills".

 

1. The "trash talking" began between Alexander and Diggs IN THE TUNNEL before the game even started.

2. Douglas threw Diggs to the ground, which really set off the chippiness and yapping.

3. The 49ers beat the Rams up just like we did in LA and NEVER let the Rams "back in the game"

4. The Dolphins, Ravens and Cowboys have let teams back in the game a lot and silence...

 

It really ticks me off that he is misrepresenting the Bills and what happened last night and makes me question if he did this on purpose or not. Did he not follow the events or was he too busy sipping wine on the back patio during most of the game?!?!

 

That game was a powder keg after Diggs got hit late.  The Allen hit before that, although clean, also contributed. Both teams were laying the wood to each other last night. 

[gonzo1105]

I say this all the time. Talking heads know that Bills fans are passionate and singing their praises doesn’t draw ratings. Now talk badly and all of Bills nations eyes starts watching, paying attention, spreading the news. 
 

Do you honestly think Cowherd, Nick Wright, even Peter Schraeger who plays the foil on the GMF group that loves the Bills, don’t know that the Bills are a really good football team? They do but they won’t get their check signed without viewers 

[LabattBlue]

Probably been discussed somewhere, but who was the Bills coach/staffer who got shoved by the GB player who then got kicked out of the game?

[The Jokeman]

1 minute ago, gonzo1105 said:

I say this all the time. Talking heads know that Bills fans are passionate and singing their praises doesn’t draw ratings. Now talk badly and all of Bills nations eyes starts watching, paying attention, spreading the news. 
 

Do you honestly think Cowherd, Nick Wright, even Peter Schraeger who plays the foil on the GMF group that loves the Bills, don’t know that the Bills are a really good football team? They do but they won’t get their check signed without viewers 

Nick Wright knows exactly what he's doing yet I notice he doesn't trash the Bills as much as he has in the past but he's definitely a Chiefs homer and comes  off like a little kid when he gets angry when others claim we're the best team without "proving it" on the field like his Chiefs had to when Tampa was the best team. 

[ChrisWatson#21]

Push-pull technique to stir controversy and feedback.  It works for him.

[DrDawkinstein]

3 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

Probably been discussed somewhere, but who was the Bills coach/staffer who got shoved by the GB player who then got kicked out of the game?

 

A practice squad TE