NFL Week 8: Packers at Bills - post game thread

[Big Turk]

8 hours ago, Billz4ever said:

What they were giving up on the ground, they might as well have been giving up through the air since the yardage gained was pass like yardage.  We knew they were running but the D still couldn't stop it.  That is rigid play calling and shows a lack of ability to adapt to what the offense is doing.

 

The play calling tonight was questionable on both sides of the ball and the Bills won because they are simple a much better team than GB, but bad execution and play calling kept this game closer than it should've been. This game should've played out how the Pittsburgh game did the second half.

 

You are trying way too hard.  The Bills admitted they didn't like some things they did in the game, I am sure they will clean it up.  That said, if a team wants to run themselves out of a game, then the Bills seemed to had no issue with not making them try and change their approach.  

 

GB never threatened us in the game.

 

Edited October 31, 2022 by Big Turk

[Billz4ever]

Just now, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Right, and we beat the Chiefs.

 

 

And?  We beat them last year too.  Different story when the chips were down, right?  Poor D coaching decisions cost us the game.

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, Billz4ever said:

And?  We beat them last year too.  Different story when the chips were down, right?  Poor D coaching decisions cost us the game.

 

[Billz4ever]

Just now, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Oh, you're still in denial about last year.  How's the coping coming along?

[Billsatlastin2018]

23 minutes ago, Tom Donahoe, GM said:

Not every game is going to be a blowout. The bills won't be great every night. I'll take this win every time.

 

Get right against the Jets

Bills fans have very short memories!

 

Do they think the Pats rolled everyone 45-3 every week?

 

Nooooo. They won many games when they weren’t firing on all cylinders, even Brady, but the superior talent managed to find Ws.

 

Lots of them!

[CincyBillsFan]

6 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

If they play like that against the Chiefs, they will lose.  That's just a plain and simple fact.

What happens if the Chiefs play even worse? 

 

My goodness watch the season of any Super Bowl winner in the 21st century and you will find that in multiple games they played worse then the Bill's played last night. 

 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

Two observations from last night Re second half:

 

1) offensive woes in the second half were due to decision making. We could have had 8-yard Singletary dump-offs all game. Instead, we forced too much— which I believe could have been due to trying to stick it to the GB DB’s.

 

2) I would like to go back and look at the film, but I suspect the Run D issues was a combination of several things: losing at point of attack on line, gap issues, poor tackling, and some soon good hard running by Packers. I believe there are a lot of correctible things there. 

[nucci]

11 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:

Or with more valuable playing experience our young safeties will improve.  Or we'll trade for one. I don't know. We've already played and beaten the best the AFC has to offer pretty much. 

Agree but playoffs are different

[Billz4ever]

8 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Allen had a really bad second half. 

Definitely very un-Josh like this season.  On the INTs it almost seemed like he wanted to run, but hesitated and decided he'd better not and then threw a bad ball.  

6 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Two observations from last night Re second half:

 

1) offensive woes in the second half were due to decision making. We could have had 8-yard Singletary dump-offs all game. Instead, we forced too much— which I believe could have been due to trying to stick it to the GB DB’s.

 

2) I would like to go back and look at the film, but I suspect the Run D issues was a combination of several things: losing at point of attack on line, gap issues, poor tackling, and some soon good hard running by Packers. I believe there are a lot of correctible things there. 

It seemed as though the line was in constant pass rush mode even though the formations GB were in still said run.  Linemen were taking themselves out of their gap assignments trying to get upfield and that made opening holes easy for the GB line and RBs.  Happened repeatedly in the 2nd half.

 

I thought Motor and Cook looked fantastic.  We should've been feeding them all night long.

Edited October 31, 2022 by Billz4ever

[Low Positive]

Great teams win when they don't play well. Just for some perspective, the 2007 Patriots (16-0 regular season) beat the A.J. Feeley led Eagles at home 31-28. That Eagles team finished 8-8. In 2006, the Colts  beat the Winless Vince Young Titans 14-13 in the RCA Dome. The Colts were 18.5 point favorites in that game. I could keep doing this, not to mention the losses that great teams have every year.

[Royale with Cheese]

9 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Allen had a really bad second half. 

 

That's odd that we won.  You've told this board at least 10,000 times that the only reason we are good is because of Allen and he completely carries this team.

 

[Low Positive]

6 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

Definitely very un-Josh like this season.  On the INTs it almost seemed like he wanted to run, but hesitated and decided he'd better not and then threw a bad ball.  

It seemed as though the line was in constant pass rush mode even though the formations GB were in still said run.  Linemen were taking themselves out of their gap assignments trying to get upfield and that made opening holes easy for the GB line and RBs.  Happened repeatedly in the 2nd half.

 

I thought Motor and Cook looked fantastic.  We should've been feeding them all night long.

That was absolutely the case on the first INT. The coaches must have told him at halftime not to run. I hate it when they do that, because it just messes his game up because it takes him out of dog mode. 

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, FrenchConnection said:

Great teams win when they don't play well. Just for some perspective, the 2007 Patriots (16-0 regular season) beat the A.J. Feeley led Eagles at home 31-28. That Eagles team finished 8-8. In 2006, the Colts  beat the Winless Vince Young Titans 14-13 in the RCA Dome. The Colts were 18.5 point favorites in that game. I could keep doing this, not to mention the losses that great teams have every year.

 

The Super Bowl winner Bucs of 2020 lost to the Bears and also by 35 to the Saints.

[Billz4ever]

Just now, FrenchConnection said:

That was absolutely the case on the first INT. The coaches must have told him at halftime not to run. I hate it when they do that, because it just messes his game up because it takes him out of dog mode. 

Yep, let Josh be Josh and do what he does.  Indecisiveness there is what got him and it ended badly.  The run was there and he knew it was.

[Low Positive]

Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

 

The Super Bowl winner Bucs of 2020 lost to the Bears and also by 35 to the Saints.

I thought about them, but that team was not a great regular season team. 

[NoHuddleKelly12]

Was it just me or did the wings being shaken around in sauce coming out of fryer shot never happen on the national broadcast last night?? What an oversight for the frazzled production staff flying in from who knows where to cover the game—maybe they spent too much time prepping the cliche Niagara Falls cutaway or substituted the table smash sequence? 🤷🏼‍♂️

[davefan66]

Definitely a rough outing for the offense from what we’re are used to.  Allen was a bit off.  Was he forcing?  Was it the play calls?  I think it was a little of both.  
 

Had a week off after a big game against KC. Maybe they took the packers a little lightly? End all is good teams win.  We won.

 

Couple of close ones against the chiefs and packers, happens to all teams throughout a season.  Need the jets game to be a fix it game and get on track for the remainder of the season.  

Edited October 31, 2022 by davefan66

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

10 minutes ago, davefan66 said:

Definitely a rough outing for the offense from what we’re are used to.  Allen was a bit off.  Was he forcing?  Was it the play calls?  I think it was a little of both.  
 

Had a week off after a big game against KC. Maybe they took the packers a little lightly? End all is good teams win.  We won.

 

Couple of close ones against the chiefs and packers, happens to all teams throughout a season.  Need the jets game to be a fix it game and get on track for the remainder of the season.  

 

The one where he just flat out missed kumerow... yeesh.  It would've come back on a penalty anyway, but sailing it forced the punt. 

[gonzo1105]

While McDermott is undefeated in byes, the Bills also have a nasty habit of being sloppy coming out of the bye weeks. Just reared its head in the 2nd half this year instead of the 1st half

[Solomon Grundy]

42 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

That's odd that we won.  You've told this board at least 10,000 times that the only reason we are good is because of Allen and he completely carries this team.

 

Damn!! Can't we handle the truth!! He even told Melissa Stark he played like crap

[Logic]

The Packers successfully confused Josh at times, particularly in the second half.

 

Still, he made boneheaded decisions that he immediately knew were boneheaded. 
 

Could’ve been the hype of facing Rodgers. Could’ve been the Packers quality pass defense. Whatever it was, it was a bad second half for Josh.

 

Still, the Bills won by 10. When you can have a whole bad half and your QB can throw two picks and you can STILL beat an Aaron Rodgers team by 10, you’re pretty good.

 

I hope they lock in to practice all week and come out like a house of fire against the Jets.

[Greg S]

1 minute ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Damn!! Can't we handle the truth!! He even told Melissa Stark he played like crap

 

He did play bad as did the offense in the second half. It happens. The most encouraging part about last night was the Bills still had a 3 score lead most of the way. GB got a meaningless TD to make the score look respectable, but they were never winning last night.

[BillsSbSoon]

It’s the sign of an elite team when you don’t have your fastball and still win by two scores. I think the thing is the game just felt kinda flat all night. Wasn’t there but the crowd seemed kinda flat too. Can’t really put my finger on why. And then we played really flat the second half

Edited October 31, 2022 by BillsSbSoon

[North Buffalo]

3 hours ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

Tale of 2 halves. I wonder if Dorsey has 2 sides to his play sheet. 1 side good plays to call and second side says, Experimental plays. If we are ahead, try these.🤔🤣

Yeh I got the sense they were trying different things in the second... Even on defense... whatever it wasnt working... On the drives wish they'd run wide when GB stacked inside... pitch the ball out to Cook... still as someone earlier said great game for coaches... up big then didnt play well so plenty to work on.

Edited October 31, 2022 by North Buffalo

[DrDawkinstein]

Sure, we beat a crappy team last night, but what is going to happen when this team has to play any other of the 1st place teams?????

 

[UKBillFan]

33 minutes ago, Greg S said:

 

He did play bad as did the offense in the second half. It happens. The most encouraging part about last night was the Bills still had a 3 score lead most of the way. GB got a meaningless TD to make the score look respectable, but they were never winning last night.

 

I have said this myself before but, watching the game back, Josh wasn't bad in the second half. He was only bad in the fourth quarter. He was fine in the third; it was a penalty which screwed up the sole drive which resulted in it ending with a FG rather than TD.

Edited October 31, 2022 by UKBillFan

[K-9]

2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Sure, we beat a crappy team last night, but what is going to happen when this team has to play any other of the 1st place teams?????

 

I see what you did there. 👍

[UKBillFan]

3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Sure, we beat a crappy team last night, but what is going to happen when this team has to play any other of the 1st place teams?????

 

 

Next week is so important. We have to get back to 1-1 in the Division.

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, UKBillFan said:

 

Next week is so important. We have to get back to 1-1 in the Division.

 

Well I hope we dont let them run the ball and still win by double digits, that would be horrible.

[Beck Water]

Pretty good article in Minneapolis Star Tribune

 

https://www.startribune.com/diggs-bills-hand-rodgers-packers-4th-straight-loss-27-17/600220584/

 

Quote

In the meantime, the showdown between two of the NFL's top quarterbacks, Rodgers and Buffalo's Josh Allen, never really materialized.

Allen finished 13 of 25 for 218 yards and two touchdowns with two interceptions. He added 49 yards rushing, including a powerful 20-yard gain on third-and-14 to set up his 1-yard TD pass to Dawson Knox that opened the scoring.

Allen was unhappy with the two interceptions he threw in the fourth quarter, which briefly gave the Packers life.

Rodgers, meantime, was unable to will the Packers to victory a week after he called out teammates, cited too many mental errors and shared the blame following a 23-21 loss at Washington.

Rodgers' message following the latest loss was more understated this time.

"I think the most important thing is to take a beat. After a frustration like this, the last thing you want is to respond in emotion," the four-time MVP said. "So take a beat, let it sit. There's not a whole lot to say after the game that is really going to spark the team, I don't think."

The three-time defending NFC North champion Packers dropped to 3-5. The four-game skid is the second-longest under Rodgers and the team's worst since 2016. Green Bay hasn't been 3-5 since 2006, Brett Favre's second-to-last season.

 

[UKBillFan]

Just now, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Well I hope we dont let them run the ball and still win by double digits, that would be horrible.

 

I expect a triple digit win to be honest. Anything less and I think we need to ditch everyone and start again.

[Beck Water]

5 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

On the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised if film analysis showed Big J firing off in pass rush and losing gap integrity vs the run.  That was his Achilles heel during his previous stint in Buffalo.

 

I'm really hoping Cover1 will do an analysis of What Went Wrong with the Run D because giving up 200 yds AND allowing Rodgers to break contain and extend play for that TD is really bad.

Edited October 31, 2022 by Beck Water

[Warcodered]

2 hours ago, Billz4ever said:

Load up on the run?  How about simply not playing Nickel against a team with a less than stellar receiving corp?

 

This game was a missed FG and a close OPI call from being tied.

And a conveniently left off successful onside kick.

[Billz4ever]

1 minute ago, Warcodered said:

And a conveniently left off successful onside kick.

If the OPI is not called (and plays like that are not at least 50% of the time) and Crosby makes that FG, there's no need for an onside kick.  The game would've been tied on the FG.

 

We were not comfortably ahead and the people here claiming we were, were just like everyone else in that Stadium...it wasn't until Crosby missed that FG, did people breathe a sigh of relief.

[Warcodered]

1 minute ago, Billz4ever said:

If the OPI is not called (and plays like that are not at least 50% of the time) and Crosby makes that FG, there's no need for an onside kick.  The game would've been tied on the FG.

 

We were not comfortably ahead and the people here claiming we were, were just like everyone else in that Stadium...it wasn't until Crosby missed that FG, did people breathe a sigh of relief.

Oh we're reworking other things in the game too, pretty sure there were a few plays/penalties that if different would have given us more points as well.

[Beck Water]

2 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

I was calling for that replay too. Reminded me of him and Josh going at Ramsey earlier this year. I was going to be fine taking a taunting penalty there as well, but I do think the WRs let Alexander get way too into their heads.

 

It's my impression Josh got pulled in there with them a bit and tried to force the ball.

 

My biggest concern is whether Josh actually may have dinged up a shoulder or something in the 1st half and it stiffened during halftime.  He took a couple hard hits.

 

Josh 1st half: 8 of 11 (72%) for 129 gross yards, 127 net yards; 0 INT, 2 for 2 in red zone

Josh 2nd half: 5 of 14 (36%) for 89 gross and net yards, 0 for 2 in red zone

 

It's possible GB made a defensive coverage change that gave Josh less time, but he also seemed to be missing throws he would normally hit. 

 

4 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

If the OPI is not called (and plays like that are not at least 50% of the time) and Crosby makes that FG, there's no need for an onside kick.  The game would've been tied on the FG.

 

We were not comfortably ahead and the people here claiming we were, were just like everyone else in that Stadium...it wasn't until Crosby missed that FG, did people breathe a sigh of relief.

 

Yeah, Dude, you can't do that.  If one play is different, then the entire game is different and maybe we make different plays with different results.

Edited October 31, 2022 by Beck Water

[Richard Noggin]

50 minutes ago, BillsSbSoon said:

It’s the sign of an elite team when you don’t have your fastball and still win by two scores. I think the thing is the game just felt kinda flat all night. Wasn’t there but the crowd seemed kinda flat too. Can’t really put my finger on why. And then we played really flat the second half

I was there, and I agree that the crowd did not bring their A-game. Lots of Cheese heads were there, which might have contributed. There was even an audible "Let's go Pack!" chant from across the stadium directly before Allen's last INT. 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

You’d like to see Cook get more of a chance 

[Mark Vader]

8 hours ago, Gene1973 said:

If he had focus during this game, maybe he would not have to be disgusted with himself...

You're saying he wasn't focused the entire game?

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

10 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

If the OPI is not called (and plays like that are not at least 50% of the time) and Crosby makes that FG, there's no need for an onside kick.  The game would've been tied on the FG.

 

We were not comfortably ahead and the people here claiming we were, were just like everyone else in that Stadium...it wasn't until Crosby missed that FG, did people breathe a sigh of relief.

 

They lost by 10.  The OPI call cost them 4 (not 7), 24-10 instead of 24-14.  They scored to make it 27-17 with 6 or so left... that would have made it 27-21.  

 

I'm not sure they even attempt the FG down 6 there as they'd still need the onside kick, and another likely long FG.  At the same time, you don't know if that changes mindset in the red zone because 27-14 is a 2 score game vs. 3.  Buffalo might try and run it in and settle for the easy 3 to make it 16 (2 scores, but borderline 3 as you need 2 conversions).