PrimeTime101 Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 So bear with me on this one because there is history on us doing this. 2020 the second last week we played the Ravens, a team no one could really stop on the ground. that year in the playoffs the Titans even though they lost said they learned from Buffalo how to defend Baltimore. Baltimore really has not been the same since. Now i get it. Mahomes will always be Mahomes. will be a top tier QB for a long time... BUT Did we just teach defenses... good defenses around the league how to defend KC? Does anyone remember the last time KC scored 20 or less points in a game? to be continued. Thoughts? 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 (edited) We taught the NFL how to defend against Lamar, so we might be kinda good at figuring things out like that. Yes I remember the last time they scored less than 20. It was in week 3 when they lost to Indy 20-17. Edited October 18, 2022 by Big Turk 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetou Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 A lot of keeping KCs scoring contained is keeping the chains moving on offense ourselves. Half the league can't seem to achieve the elusive first down (let alone a touchdown) so I'm not sure how much success they will have. We also have a lot of talent and athleticism up front that is hard to replicate for lesser teams 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 Didn't we kind of copy the Bengals 2nd Half defensive game plan of rushing 3 and dropping 8? I know they decided to do that out of necessity, as their pass rush couldn't get home, but it worked. Not sure if they had a spy like what we did with Milano though. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 Yup- sign Von Miller 6 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 Yes, but we also can't defend against a FG in less than 13 seconds so... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 5 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said: So bear with me on this one because there is history on us doing this. 2020 the second last week we played the Ravens, a team no one could really stop on the ground. that year in the playoffs the Titans even though they lost said they learned from Buffalo how to defend Baltimore. Baltimore really has not been the same since. Now i get it. Mahomes will always be Mahomes. will be a top tier QB for a long time... BUT Did we just teach defenses... good defenses around the league how to defend KC? Does anyone remember the last time KC scored 20 or less points in a game? to be continued. Thoughts? Possibly, but it's easier said than done. If a team can't get pressure with the front four or three and a spy, it's not going to work very well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushypeaches Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 Well, to frame the question a little bit differently, we can be hopeful that the remaining teams on KC's schedule can be more effective than history has shown that they have been. Or else, just break Mahomes' leg... Wait, I said the quiet part out loud... sorry 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 Yeah, but it only works if you have the personnel to do it. Shaw brought it up yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Fetou said: A lot of keeping KCs scoring contained is keeping the chains moving on offense ourselves. Half the league can't seem to achieve the elusive first down (let alone a touchdown) so I'm not sure how much success they will have. We also have a lot of talent and athleticism up front that is hard to replicate for lesser teams BINGO. This was my first thought. Personnel indeed matters. There is no replicating at the drop of a hat a Von Miller type talent. The level our defensive stars are playing at? Other teams WISH they could replicate us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfandBills Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 7 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said: So bear with me on this one because there is history on us doing this. 2020 the second last week we played the Ravens, a team no one could really stop on the ground. that year in the playoffs the Titans even though they lost said they learned from Buffalo how to defend Baltimore. Baltimore really has not been the same since. Now i get it. Mahomes will always be Mahomes. will be a top tier QB for a long time... BUT Did we just teach defenses... good defenses around the league how to defend KC? Does anyone remember the last time KC scored 20 or less points in a game? to be continued. Thoughts? I think the bengals put a good blueprint out there last year too 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 5 minutes ago, SCBills said: Didn't we kind of copy the Bengals 2nd Half defensive game plan of rushing 3 and dropping 8? I know they decided to do that out of necessity, as their pass rush couldn't get home, but it worked. Not sure if they had a spy like what we did with Milano though. Bingo. Well find out cause there's no way we're not going to see other teams try it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 ‘So bear with me’, the new Hear me out. 🤦♂️ Yes, all a team needs is the best QB in the League, 2 incredible WRs and a ferocious pass rusher. Hell, Everyone's got those! … 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark92 Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 1 minute ago, NewEra said: Yup- sign Von Miller Von is a beast. 2 sacks against Mahomes and the Chefs actually have a good o line. His getting pressure also ran Mahomes into situations where the rest of D line could get to him. He doesn't have to rush to change the game. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 If only we could find a way to defend against Kelce. No idea why he is just consistently open every single time we play them. It is infuriating. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 (edited) No. The Colts did it before us, and the Bengals did it before them. Edited October 18, 2022 by Logic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 5 minutes ago, benderbender said: Yes, but we also can't defend against a FG in less than 13 seconds so... Yes, but we can intercept Mahomes in the end zone. Yes, but we can intercept Mahomes on the games deciding drive. Yes, but we can hold Mahomes to 20 points- at home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 6 minutes ago, NewEra said: Yup- sign Von Miller Yeah I was going to go with Nope... I think what the Bills showed is the type of players you need, not necessarily the scheme. Like any QB in the league you have to get them moving to disrupt their timing. And with guys like Mahomes and Allen, you have to just pray once you get them moving you can contain the crazy that ensues. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Mark92 said: Von is a beast. 2 sacks against Mahomes and the Chefs actually have a good o line. His getting pressure also ran Mahomes into situations where the rest of D line could get to him. He doesn't have to rush to change the game. Yup- he that dam good. He’s making a bigger impact than I had expected and I had very high expectations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykidsdad Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 11 minutes ago, Fetou said: A lot of keeping KCs scoring contained is keeping the chains moving on offense ourselves. Half the league can't seem to achieve the elusive first down (let alone a touchdown) so I'm not sure how much success they will have. We also have a lot of talent and athleticism up front that is hard to replicate for lesser teams Watching the game Sunday I was telling my kids back in the day, I would get as excited about FIRST DOWNS from a Bill's Offense as I do for Touchdowns now. It was so rare back in the day and now it is like a given that every drive will have first downs. Do you all remember our 3 and out offenses of the past? We have come so far!!! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 I can see your point but not everyone has the defensive personnel to do it. I have no doubt Andy will adjust and throw some new wrinkles in there but there is a blueprint you need to get home with 3 or 4 if you blitz that team your whistling past the graveyard so to speak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMannn Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 5 minutes ago, What a Tuel said: If only we could find a way to defend against Kelce. No idea why he is just consistently open every single time we play them. It is infuriating. Yeah but Kelce does that to everybody. That's why he's so great 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 1 minute ago, MarkyMannn said: Yeah but Kelce does that to everybody. That's why he's so great Jamming him at the line would be a good start instead of allowing him to freely release to quickly get downfield and find the holes in our zone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSbSoon Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 8 minutes ago, What a Tuel said: If only we could find a way to defend against Kelce. No idea why he is just consistently open every single time we play them. It is infuriating. Everybody has that problem with him though it ain’t just us. Same for hill 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted October 18, 2022 Author Share Posted October 18, 2022 17 minutes ago, SCBills said: Didn't we kind of copy the Bengals 2nd Half defensive game plan of rushing 3 and dropping 8? I know they decided to do that out of necessity, as their pass rush couldn't get home, but it worked. Not sure if they had a spy like what we did with Milano though. we did in the 4th quarter but that was based on score Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 14 minutes ago, muppy said: BINGO. This was my first thought. Personnel indeed matters. There is no replicating at the drop of a hat a Von Miller type talent. The level our defensive stars are playing at? Other teams WISH they could replicate us. Hard to find another Milano or Poyer as well...teams might have one of these types of players, but rarely are they stacked with 4 or 5 of them on the field at the same time. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted October 18, 2022 Author Share Posted October 18, 2022 17 minutes ago, NewEra said: Yup- sign Von Miller lol! 14 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: ‘So bear with me’, the new Hear me out. 🤦♂️ Yes, all a team needs is the best QB in the League, 2 incredible WRs and a ferocious pass rusher. Hell, Everyone's got those! … are you grumpy today? Lol! messing! I get your point. I am just basing this off a little history and it seems to be a fun conversation to have. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 26 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said: So bear with me on this one because there is history on us doing this. 2020 the second last week we played the Ravens, a team no one could really stop on the ground. that year in the playoffs the Titans even though they lost said they learned from Buffalo how to defend Baltimore. Baltimore really has not been the same since. Now i get it. Mahomes will always be Mahomes. will be a top tier QB for a long time... BUT Did we just teach defenses... good defenses around the league how to defend KC? Does anyone remember the last time KC scored 20 or less points in a game? to be continued. Thoughts? a bit but you need the players to pull it off and really good coaching 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 (edited) 28 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said: So bear with me on this one because there is history on us doing this. 2020 the second last week we played the Ravens, a team no one could really stop on the ground. that year in the playoffs the Titans even though they lost said they learned from Buffalo how to defend Baltimore. Baltimore really has not been the same since. Now i get it. Mahomes will always be Mahomes. will be a top tier QB for a long time... BUT Did we just teach defenses... good defenses around the league how to defend KC? Does anyone remember the last time KC scored 20 or less points in a game? Colts. September 25. They won. Last year, Cowboys, Titans. Bengals did a good job in the AFCCG although the Chiefs scored 24. I don't think the fundamentals of how to slow down or stop KC are obscure. I think the trick is having the quality of defensive players who can execute and maintain their intensity for 60 minutes. I also think that while in theory, the Chiefs did the right thing to trade Hill and re-stock with quality FA receivers in JJSS and MVS - they are NOT 100% on the same page with Mahomes yet. Edited October 18, 2022 by Beck Water 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 Yes. Sign a HOF pass rusher with plenty left in the tank. Easy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 (edited) 27 minutes ago, SCBills said: Didn't we kind of copy the Bengals 2nd Half defensive game plan of rushing 3 and dropping 8? I know they decided to do that out of necessity, as their pass rush couldn't get home, but it worked. Not sure if they had a spy like what we did with Milano though. IIRC a team used that Defense against him well before the Bengals did it. There was discussion after one of our losses to KC about why we didn't do it. He struggled against a spy for some reason. Edited October 18, 2022 by Not at the table Karlos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 10 minutes ago, Billz4ever said: Jamming him at the line would be a good start instead of allowing him to freely release to quickly get downfield and find the holes in our zone. Pretty sure the Bills jammed him at the line and got flagged for it ( bad call but still ) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 19 minutes ago, mykidsdad said: Watching the game Sunday I was telling my kids back in the day, I would get as excited about FIRST DOWNS from a Bill's Offense as I do for Touchdowns now. It was so rare back in the day and now it is like a given that every drive will have first downs. Do you all remember our 3 and out offenses of the past? We have come so far!!! Run, run, pass, punt. It sucked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 33 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said: So bear with me on this one because there is history on us doing this. 2020 the second last week we played the Ravens, a team no one could really stop on the ground. that year in the playoffs the Titans even though they lost said they learned from Buffalo how to defend Baltimore. Baltimore really has not been the same since. Now i get it. Mahomes will always be Mahomes. will be a top tier QB for a long time... BUT Did we just teach defenses... good defenses around the league how to defend KC? Does anyone remember the last time KC scored 20 or less points in a game? to be continued. Thoughts? By your logic, then KC Defense showed how to stop the Bills O. Truth is that was a hell of a game and it felt like a playoff game, you won because you made fewer mistakes.. (like throwing an INT in the end zone) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted October 18, 2022 Author Share Posted October 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: as always Yol! thanks for the imput. I think this kind of answers the question. mix of a lot of things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 36 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said: So bear with me on this one because there is history on us doing this. 2020 the second last week we played the Ravens, a team no one could really stop on the ground. that year in the playoffs the Titans even though they lost said they learned from Buffalo how to defend Baltimore. Baltimore really has not been the same since. Now i get it. Mahomes will always be Mahomes. will be a top tier QB for a long time... BUT Did we just teach defenses... good defenses around the league how to defend KC? Does anyone remember the last time KC scored 20 or less points in a game? to be continued. Thoughts? Im sure other teams learn from what we do. I'm also sure that McD/Frazier look at things other teams do as well. The last time KC scored 20 or less points in a game was 3 weeks ago when they scored 17 against the Colts. Everyone knows how to defend KC. Just most people dont have the horses to do so. We invested heavy assests in our front four as well as our back end for some sacrifice at our o line and perhaps even receiver. Most teams dont do that. Most teams dont have Josh Allen either 😃 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 4 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Pretty sure the Bills jammed him at the line and got flagged for it ( bad call but still ) Only a couple times did they jam him. Just like the 13 seconds drive and the 62 yd field goal drive, usually free release off the line. No jam. Makes no sense. Jamming messes up timing and doesn't allow him to get downfield and find holes in the zone as quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 Just now, Billz4ever said: Only a couple times did they jam him. Just like the 13 seconds drive and the 62 yd field goal drive, usually free release off the line. No jam. Makes no sense. Jamming messes up timing and doesn't allow him to get downfield and find holes in the zone as quickly. If it was that easy, every team would be shutting down/ limiting Kielce. It’s just not. That’s why he’s a great TE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted October 18, 2022 Author Share Posted October 18, 2022 Just now, Scott7975 said: Im sure other teams learn from what we do. I'm also sure that McD/Frazier look at things other teams do as well. The last time KC scored 20 or less points in a game was 3 weeks ago when they scored 17 against the Colts. Everyone knows how to defend KC. Just most people dont have the horses to do so. We invested heavy assests in our front four as well as our back end for some sacrifice at our o line and perhaps even receiver. Most teams dont do that. Most teams dont have Josh Allen either 😃 I think this was the point of my post. Did we make it harder for KC to win easier? maybe that should of been the question? but i agree 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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