Hermes Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 Seriously. How much do the Bills win by without numerous (2-3) drives extended by penalties for 1st downs, or non calls that would've obviously changed the outcome of a play. It's not just this game and not just against the the Bills. The Refs clearly show bias and it's getting more and more obvious to even the common fan. The Bills have been fortunate in this regard since Allen but the overall officiating is horrendous. There have been a handful of times where the bills should've gotten penalties or non calls against them and it worked in our favor. IMO the Bills have been on the "right side" of these calls this season but it still points to the inability of the NFL to have capable Refs. How ridiculous is it that a multi-billion organization can't at least be impartial when it comes to the rules that govern the game!? I don't care if the Bills get more calls against the weaker teams in the league, so long as the overall game is called consistently and fairly for every team. How many times have you seen a flag and then the network doesn't show a replay or there's a convoluted explanation why the call was right.. TL:DR, Refs suck, Bills didn't benefit tonight, but overall they have. 1 1 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 Well then… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac2001 Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 I kind of agree if you watched every play I’m sure they held just as much but we called for like 5 def holding and 3-4 on third and longs it was annoying go bills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 How often do they call holding for what they were calling defensive holding on? So ticky tack like the replays showed it and it was like, that happens every damn play. Except somehow it extends chiefs dead drives at least twice for automatic 1st downs. Then no tripping call. No block in the back on the punt immediately after the no tripping call. Refs gave the chiefs every opportunity to win this. 8 13 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 My favorite was that insane sidearm throw where Kelsey got called on the push-off. Guy's got more arm angles than anybody since Bernie Kosar. There's almost 2 Quisenberry's on the field. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Today we had to beat the 2nd best team in the NFL. On top of that were the brutal calls from Brad Allen and Isaiah McKenzie completely playing himself off the 53. Thankfully Superman showed up to save the day. Props to the D for finally making a play in a critical leveraged situation. 2 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDogg20 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 That trip…that was blatent and an absolutely horrendous non-call that almost completely altered the game. Thank god the defense came to absolutely ball out today 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermes Posted October 17, 2022 Author Share Posted October 17, 2022 9 minutes ago, mikemac2001 said: I kind of agree if you watched every play I’m sure they held just as much but we called for like 5 def holding and 3-4 on third and longs it was annoying go bills I think that's the worst part. It's not just on a run of the mill 2nd down, it's when the cards are on the table the refs control the flop. I mean, the big play doesn't reach home.. just look for the flag. Marquee team/players generally get the calls to keep the game alive. It would be nice to just watch the players play and not have to worry about a great defensive stop or offensive gain negated by a redundant penalty. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 So you don't think it was tripping? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, Hermes said: It would be nice to just watch the players play I don't know how many times I said that today. 👍 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCockSportif Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 No doubt that officiating, as is par for the course, is bad at best. Every single game, even if you're not watching the Bills, is like that. It's infuriating, frankly. So the only way to counter is to put points on the board, and to power on. Early in the game the Bills just missed opportunities, and when you play these tough games and rely on officiating, you shouldn't. (Otherwise it was an incredibly satisfying win, make no mistake.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 And then 5 minutes reviewing the final interception from 15 angles to see if there was anything they could call to give the ball back to KC. 1 11 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of a K-Gun Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 NFL officials brought to you by Fan Deul. with the proliferation of legalized sports betting the terrible officiating is nothing short of laughable. What an embarrassment to a multi-billion dollar industry. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 What are the chances that the refs keep their flags in their pockets if Greg Rousseau blatantly tripped Patrick Mahomes on a key third and long? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Teams always make mistakes which are more significant than any blown call, but that’s part of football. Honestly the refs control the outcomes of way too many games. This is one where the Chiefs should have won, the Refs gave them the edge. TB last week is another example. Heck basically ever close game win of Brady’s career was given to them by the refs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Madness Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 It was really weird. The ref were ignoring a lot of possible calls on both sides at first, then started making some ticky tack calls. *shrug* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermes Posted October 17, 2022 Author Share Posted October 17, 2022 6 minutes ago, TheCockSportif said: No doubt that officiating, as is par for the course, is bad at best. Every single game, even if you're not watching the Bills, is like that. It's infuriating, frankly. So the only way to counter is to put points on the board, and to power on. Early in the game the Bills just missed opportunities, and when you play these tough games and rely on officiating, you shouldn't. (Otherwise it was an incredibly satisfying win, make no mistake.) Talk about cathartic! I'm so happy the Bills pulled out the W! Regardless of any other factors. Beating KC at Arrowhead is huge for team morale/confidence and seeding purposes. 4 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: And then 5 minutes reviewing the final interception from 15 angles to see if there was anything they could call to give the ball back to KC. Hahah right!? It's like 'oh, this play could potentially end the game, better scrutinize it ad nauseam. Don't worry about the calls earlier in the game. Those don't really matter (unless it affects the spread)' 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 his stupid-a$$ little point every time he thinks there should be a flag on the defense pisses me the F off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 5 minutes ago, RiotAct said: his stupid-a$$ little point every time he thinks there should be a flag on the defense pisses me the F off. We win a SB and Allen the MVP we will start getting all those calls Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 What I don't like is that I've been watching this game for decades and yet they'll bring on some ref "expert" after every play to tell me what my eyes are telling me is wrong. If I can watch a game for 20 years and still be "wrong" about calls, it tells me that the rulebook is way too complicated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo ill Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 The Bills won yet this thread wants to speak with the manager. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 1 hour ago, CDogg20 said: That trip…that was blatent and an absolutely horrendous non-call that almost completely altered the game. Thank god the defense came to absolutely ball out today TBH I kind of felt that pretty blatant tripping and the non-call kind of fired up our guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCockSportif Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 I can't believe this thread exists. And I'm not pointing fingers at the OP. Last week it was, "what if Singletary fumbled?". So, really, the only outcome is the one that took place today, and thank goodness that it was a W. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 (edited) I saw the non-tripping call as a makeup for the slight hand check by Kelce that cost the chiefs a 35 yard gain. Then I got mad when this post reminded me of all the free defensive holding calls they gave Mahomes. Edited October 17, 2022 by Charles Romes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Guapo Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 6 minutes ago, Charles Romes said: I saw the non-tripping call as a makeup for the slight hand check by Kelcie that cost the chiefs a 35 yard gain. Then I got mad when this post reminded me of all the free defensive holding calls they gave Mahomes. In real speed, did anyone start screaming for a tripping call? I know no one at my house did. After replay we did, but I can see why he didn’t throw a flag. Should he have? Hell yes. But in real speed, I can understand why it wasn’t thrown. glad it didn’t cost us the game. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 1 hour ago, BUFFALOBART said: Gambling, will bring down, the NFL. Because it's legal now? 42 minutes ago, ToGoGo said: What I don't like is that I've been watching this game for decades and yet they'll bring on some ref "expert" after every play to tell me what my eyes are telling me is wrong. If I can watch a game for 20 years and still be "wrong" about calls, it tells me that the rulebook is way too complicated. I mean, rules get revised and updated and hopefully streamlined all the time. So what rules USED TO BE has very little bearing on what they ARE. I feel like catches, for example, aren't the effing counter-intuitive nightmare they used to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermes Posted October 17, 2022 Author Share Posted October 17, 2022 17 minutes ago, TheCockSportif said: I can't believe this thread exists. And I'm not pointing fingers at the OP. Last week it was, "what if Singletary fumbled?". So, really, the only outcome is the one that took place today, and thank goodness that it was a W. It stems from a frustration at the officiating league-wide. There have been countless plays this year where I watch the Bills (specifically) and think to myself how lucky they got on a call or non-call. It's not just the Bills, it's the NFL as a whole. How many times do you see the media darlings getting timely penalties to keep them in the game? I'm sure you could do a deep dive and look to see if the better teams truly do get more calls for or against them but that would just turn out to be an exercise in futility. C'est la vie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCockSportif Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Just now, Hermes said: It stems from a frustration at the officiating league-wide. There have been countless plays this year where I watch the Bills (specifically) and think to myself how lucky they got on a call or non-call. It's not just the Bills, it's the NFL as a whole. How many times do you see the media darlings getting timely penalties to keep them in the game? I'm sure you could do a deep dive and look to see if the better teams truly do get more calls for or against them but that would just turn out to be an exercise in futility. C'est la vie In another thread I pointed out that officiating sucks, so that means any team, the Bills most especially included, can NOT make errors when they can score points. It's infuriating, I agree. But it also is what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. K Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 2 hours ago, Simon said: My favorite was that insane sidearm throw where Kelsey got called on the push-off. Guy's got more arm angles than anybody since Bernie Kosar. There's almost 2 Quisenberry's on the field. RIP Dan Quisinberry. I was a fan of him--great relief pitcher for Royals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 1 hour ago, peterpan said: We win a SB and Allen the MVP we will start getting all those calls Unfortunately you are correct. It shouldn't be that way but that how the shield rolls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 I've said this for years - they need an offsite officiating crew that watches games live and makes calls when the refs miss them. The networks have slow motion replays from every angle you could possibly imagine. It would take 5 seconds for someone to radio in and say that Chris Jones tripped Allen. For no discernable reason we're trusting game changing decisions to retired school principals that are standing in the middle of an NFL game and have to keep their eye on a million things at once. I don't get angry at the refs for missing things, they have an impossible job. I'm angry that the league doesn't take steps to fix an obvious problem with an obvious solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 The first game, a few years ago when KC held the Bills receivers on every play, really got under Mcdermott's skin. He's learned from Reid that it is the best way to stop a high powered offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereComesTheReignAgain Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 I’m guessing this was one of the officials… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills!Win! Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Mahomes is starting to remind me of Brady where he does that smug little point thing and then poof! There’s a 15 yard penalty or an automatic first down on 3rd and 20 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDogg20 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 59 minutes ago, Beck Water said: TBH I kind of felt that pretty blatant tripping and the non-call kind of fired up our guys I agree, when we got the ball back after I knew 17 was gonna lead us down the field. Never a doubt there 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatloaf63 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 1 hour ago, El Guapo said: In real speed, did anyone start screaming for a tripping call? I know no one at my house did. After replay we did, but I can see why he didn’t throw a flag. Should he have? Hell yes. But in real speed, I can understand why it wasn’t thrown. glad it didn’t cost us the game. Did anyone in your house have a clear view from less than 10 feet away? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 More plays should be allowed to be replayed (ex: blatantly obv. tripping of Allen) However I don’t buy they are biased. They called pushing off on Kelsey, that rarely happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 4 hours ago, RiotAct said: his stupid-a$$ little point every time he thinks there should be a flag on the defense pisses me the F off. Josh does that a lot too. They all do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl2526 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 (edited) The tripping should have been called on Jones. There were some ticky tac holding calls on Buffalo CBs when KC receivers were within 5 yards of the LoS. There were also a few bad/questionable calls that went against KC. Edited October 17, 2022 by BigAl2526 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 I thought this thread was going to be a sarcastic dig at Mahomes. I honestly thought Mahomes was pretty unimpressive today. He's been a wizard during other games so I'm not discounting him at all in general, but he threw some ugly balls today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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