YoloinOhio Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 We are going to miss him on Sunday! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 57 minutes ago, Virgil said: Think Rhodes gets cut? But how often does McD ever want to run man? It's not really who we are. According to PFF, and we need to take everything they report with a mountain of salt, thru the first four weeks of the season, we only played man an average of 8% of the time, with a low of 6% vs the Rams and a high of 30% against the Ravens. https://www.pff.com/news/week-4-man-and-zone-rates-week-5-coverage-predictions 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 58 minutes ago, 34-78-83 said: The Bills sure seem to have a handle on managing their players injury recovery paths. I think it's yet another variable that will attract future FA's. What they don’t want to take out extra life insurance to go play in Miami? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 Still gotta worry about who is going to cover Marquez-Valdez Scantling 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 59 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: It's not White. It seems obvious to me that this Poyer's last season in Buffalo. My bold and totally unsubstantiated prediction is that Taron Johnson will be a safety next season and White, Elam, and Benford will be the corners and slot corner, respectively. The starting safeties will be Hyde, if he recovers, and either Johnson or Hamlin. Ultimate flexibility - start five guys with cover skills and can tackle. Benford’s more likely to be converted to S than Taron. Like way more. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 57 minutes ago, Virgil said: Hey Elsa, read it again no one would willingly do that to themselves twice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 41 minutes ago, Allen2Diggs said: I think we stash one of these guys on IR if they get a papercut during a meeting. Rhodes is on IR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Virgil said: I honestly feel bad for the development for some of our guys. I may catch a ton of flack for this, but if Benford and Elam continued to produce, I don't know that I wouldn't trade Tre in the offseason if the contract allowed it. This is nothing against Tre, but we've been very solid against the pass with our DB's and our schedule only gets easier. The money Tre gets could easily help towards resigning Oliver, Davis, and others. Again, I like Tre a lot, but have we really missed him? Elam got beat up a bit against the Steelers, but he's honestly our 3rd DB at this point behind Dane and Benford. The deep shot to Waddle was on our safeties. Flame away, I know it's coming Do I get credit for last week predicting that we'd have a trade Tre White thread this week? And that nobody would do the obvious and immediately mention that $20M+ dead cap hit if they did it this offseason? 1 5 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 Good to hear. While not stated publicly, I'm sure his target/ramp up was always Oct 30. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said: Do I get credit for last week predicting that we'd have a trade Tre White thread this week? And that nobody would do the obvious and immediately mention that $20M+ dead cap hit if they did it this offseason? I said depending on the cap hit! 😋 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Virgil said: I honestly feel bad for the development for some of our guys. I may catch a ton of flack for this, but if Benford and Elam continued to produce, I don't know that I wouldn't trade Tre if the contract allowed it. This is nothing against Tre, but we've been very solid against the pass with our DB's and our schedule only gets easier. The money Tre gets could easily help towards resigning Oliver, Davis, and others. Again, I like Tre a lot, but have we really missed him? Elam got beat up a bit against the Steelers, but he's honestly our 3rd DB at this point behind Dane and Benford. The deep shot to Waddle was on our safeties. Flame away, I know it's coming Let's keep the proven all-pro CB. Benford and Elam have been good, but we need guys with proven experience, especially experience in the playoffs and in big games. The best players need to play. We aren't in "Let's develop our young guys" mode, we are in "Let's win the superbowl" mode. Also, the young guys need as much time with Tre White as possible, because just them watching him, spending time in meetings with him, or receiving instruction from him will help their development. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 1 hour ago, SUNTANBILLS FAN said: Stop smoking crazy stuff you do not trade a top 3 corner! Next you will say if we go for mccaffery that he won't help. Now I understand how the rooks are playing good but trade Tre just stop I wouldn't trade him but he is not a top 3 corner either. 19 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: Benford’s more likely to be converted to S than Taron. Like way more. I agree. Benford is probably the most likely to move to safety given his size. If Tre returns and doesn't move as well as he did in the past, I still think long term he can replace Hyde. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Virgil said: I honestly feel bad for the development for some of our guys. I may catch a ton of flack for this, but if Benford and Elam continued to produce, I don't know that I wouldn't trade Tre in the offseason if the contract allowed it. This is nothing against Tre, but we've been very solid against the pass with our DB's and our schedule only gets easier. The money Tre gets could easily help towards resigning Oliver, Davis, and others. Again, I like Tre a lot, but have we really missed him? Elam got beat up a bit against the Steelers, but he's honestly our 3rd DB at this point behind Dane and Benford. The deep shot to Waddle was on our safeties. Flame away, I know it's coming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 Ok NOW he’s back 🕺🏼 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Paulson Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Ok NOW he’s back 🕺🏼 good to see Poyer out there as well, even if he is in red Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Virgil said: I honestly feel bad for the development for some of our guys. I may catch a ton of flack for this, but if Benford and Elam continued to produce, I don't know that I wouldn't trade Tre in the offseason if the contract allowed it. This is nothing against Tre, but we've been very solid against the pass with our DB's and our schedule only gets easier. The money Tre gets could easily help towards resigning Oliver, Davis, and others. Again, I like Tre a lot, but have we really missed him? Elam got beat up a bit against the Steelers, but he's honestly our 3rd DB at this point behind Dane and Benford. The deep shot to Waddle was on our safeties. Flame away, I know it's coming Like 3 games ago we were pretty close to picking the most athletic Bills fan to play corner in the 4th quarter and you want to trade away one of the best CBs in the league? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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YoloinOhio Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said: Like 3 games ago we were pretty close to picking the most athletic Bills fan to play corner in the 4th quarter and you want to trade away one of the best CBs in the league? What some don’t realize is that Tre on the field allows the Bills to play defense differently than when he’s not out there. It’s bigger than “hey this rookie has looked pretty good in the scheme they had to create to get him to look pretty good” I’m not saying Benford and Elam haven’t held their own but it’s a whole different ball game with Tre Edited October 12, 2022 by YoloinOhio 4 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 8 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Ok NOW he’s back 🕺🏼 I hope they get him in front of a mic sometime soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 1 hour ago, H2o said: Tre White will return the week after the Bye, on a snap count I would imagine, against the Packers. If Tre comes back fully healthy, as All Pro Tre, then this defense goes from Top 5 in the NFL to one of the best we have ever seen. Yes. And that would be without our best safety! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, Utah John said: Yes. And that would be without our best safety! I don’t know who’s better between Poyer and Hyde. Im anxious to see more of Poyer and Hamlin together. Hamlin brings a physical side. Much more physical than Poyer and Hyde. Poyer and Hyde both ballhawks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordong Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Tre...could you not run over the crap on the ground and spin around like a ballerina the first day back... please! LOL 2 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I don’t know who’s better between Poyer and Hyde. Im anxious to see more of Poyer and Hamlin together. Hamlin brings a physical side. Much more physical than Poyer and Hyde. Poyer and Hyde both ballhawks. That’s true imo. They’ve both gotten run over at times. This not shade toward them, they are elite at everything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordong Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 55 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Still gotta worry about who is going to cover Marquez-Valdez Scantling my mom has got this..... NEXT 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 Seventeen years ago, Broncos coach Mike Shanahan traded running back Clinton Portis to Washington in exchange for cornerback Champ Bailey and a second-round draft pick. Portis for Bailey by itself would have been a win for Denver, but the extra draft pick makes it clear that Shanahan easily won the trade. Washington needed a RB but geez louise that was a bad trade. Even more now than 17 years ago, RBs are less important than top CBs. Bailey was one of the best CBs in the league, and he became a mainstay on an excellent Broncos defense. Portis did OK for the Skins but his legs gave out like happens with most RBs. That trade was a loser for the Skins to begin with, and the impact only got worse with time. So the point is, why trade Tre White to some other lucky team for a short-term patch somewhere. And where would that patch player play? Would you really trade a locker room leader and All-Pro player for a guard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 2 hours ago, Virgil said: I honestly feel bad for the development for some of our guys. I may catch a ton of flack for this, but if Benford and Elam continued to produce, I don't know that I wouldn't trade Tre in the offseason if the contract allowed it. This is nothing against Tre, but we've been very solid against the pass with our DB's and our schedule only gets easier. The money Tre gets could easily help towards resigning Oliver, Davis, and others. Again, I like Tre a lot, but have we really missed him? Elam got beat up a bit against the Steelers, but he's honestly our 3rd DB at this point behind Dane and Benford. The deep shot to Waddle was on our safeties. Flame away, I know it's coming you may feel differently about this come January when some CB I dinged up and we are playing elite offenses in huge games instead of September when we are playing inconsistent ones still trying to figure themselves out 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 1 minute ago, NoSaint said: you may feel differently about this come January when some CB I dinged up and we are playing elite offenses in huge games instead of September when we are playing inconsistent ones still trying to figure themselves out Again, in the off-season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 sad it won't be for this game, but by the playoffs having elam and tre ready to go means we can basically go press man, zone, or any kind of mix/disguise we want. that's something we really haven't been able to do before. the old nfl/rex ryan ideal would be to blitz underneath that, now it's to get pressure w 4, SOMETIMES 5, and to spread out and take stuff underneath away as well. i always criticized our D for having some schematic issues (namely asking the LBs to do an impossible task too often), but it really is a futuristic D, but massively reliant on a fresh and game DL and pass rush. now that we have it i think we can be special. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 Enjoy this ride, everyone! The product Beane is putting on the field is amazing, and will only get better once Tre is back. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Virgil said: Again, in the off-season January happens every year, and I’m hopeful we will be playing meaningful games in many of the upcoming Edited October 12, 2022 by NoSaint 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 2 hours ago, Virgil said: I honestly feel bad for the development for some of our guys. I may catch a ton of flack for this, but if Benford and Elam continued to produce, I don't know that I wouldn't trade Tre in the offseason if the contract allowed it. This is nothing against Tre, but we've been very solid against the pass with our DB's and our schedule only gets easier. The money Tre gets could easily help towards resigning Oliver, Davis, and others. Again, I like Tre a lot, but have we really missed him? Elam got beat up a bit against the Steelers, but he's honestly our 3rd DB at this point behind Dane and Benford. The deep shot to Waddle was on our safeties. Flame away, I know it's coming I’m not gonna flame you I am going to say you can never have too many corners and your secondary is only as good as your worst corner 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: If Tre returns and doesn't move as well as he did in the past, I still think long term he can replace Hyde. Tre is not a good tackler. He'd have to show an increased ability to tackle if he could ever transition to safety. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 2 hours ago, Virgil said: I honestly feel bad for the development for some of our guys. I may catch a ton of flack for this, but if Benford and Elam continued to produce, I don't know that I wouldn't trade Tre in the offseason if the contract allowed it. This is nothing against Tre, but we've been very solid against the pass with our DB's and our schedule only gets easier. The money Tre gets could easily help towards resigning Oliver, Davis, and others. Again, I like Tre a lot, but have we really missed him? Elam got beat up a bit against the Steelers, but he's honestly our 3rd DB at this point behind Dane and Benford. The deep shot to Waddle was on our safeties. Flame away, I know it's coming I just honestly think the coaches are looking at this as position flexibility - all the way around. Benford has strong projections as a future safety with nice zone coverage skills, Elam is filling in nicely, White had great man and zone coverage ability, Dane has proven himself as an outside zone guy, Taron is a beast. All of them would give some different ability to mix and match or switch up with White and Elam on the outside in Man with Taron and Benford playing slot/Safety coverage on a guy like Kelce. You suddenly have the ability to put out 5 coverage guys that can all tackle and cover and take away entire parts of the field and then bring Hamlin and Poyer in for some changed up looks. I want the Bills playing with people’s minds with coverages. Who is covering who and how are we going to disguise the coverage to get some easy plays - just like we do on offense. I want to see all of these guys working together and forming a unit that can shut down teams passing and the DL stopping the run game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 2 hours ago, Virgil said: I honestly feel bad for the development for some of our guys. I may catch a ton of flack for this, but if Benford and Elam continued to produce, I don't know that I wouldn't trade Tre in the offseason if the contract allowed it. This is nothing against Tre, but we've been very solid against the pass with our DB's and our schedule only gets easier. The money Tre gets could easily help towards resigning Oliver, Davis, and others. Again, I like Tre a lot, but have we really missed him? Elam got beat up a bit against the Steelers, but he's honestly our 3rd DB at this point behind Dane and Benford. The deep shot to Waddle was on our safeties. Flame away, I know it's coming Tre White is literally where this whole thing started. Yes you could argue that the Poyer/Hyde signings preceded 27 but he was the first pick with McDermott here and THE example of what McD and Beane want from a player. Obviously Allen is the most important player but Tre is the cornerstone both from his play and from his culture building positivity. Without him, a lot of what has happened after 2017 never would have happened. Other than Allen he is the last player I would trade. I would not be shocked to hear that he personally eschewed being voted captain for the last few years because EVERYTHING about the guy screams unique and leader. You don’t part with that. Ever. In any business. Ever. Not for Davis. Not for Oliver. Not for anyone. And I love Davis and Oliver. Never. Just in case I was equivocating a bit. N E V E R. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Warcodered said: I hope they get him in front of a mic sometime soon. You mean Thad in front of a mic 🎙. - let me say 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮 Just Joking with you - I would love to hear from Tre’ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 The good thing with the rookies playing well is even if he comes back for the GB game they don't have to throw him out there for the full game and can just drop him in a few series to see how he feels and ease him back in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 1 hour ago, RocCityRoller said: https://billswire.usatoday.com/2022/10/12/buffalo-bills-micah-hyde-surgery-neck-injury/ Season ending IR. Had neck surgery, 6-9 months per above report Fairly certain it’s NOT season ending IR. After Week 1, players go on IR all the time then return. Ref: Tre White. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 3 hours ago, Warcodered said: Well that sucks for Rodgers, guy can't catch a break like his WRs can't catch a football. Yup, rest him up with very light practices and get him ready for GB. Great to see him with pads on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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