Time for Beane to "break glass in case of emergency"?

[BillsFanSD]

Once again, everybody needs to look at the schedule and see how easily a 3-3 start (say) can turn into a 13-4 season.  

 

Obviously I have no objection to signing a DB or two off somebody's PS or off the street.  That makes sense.  But mainly we just need to sit tight, get through the next stretch of games -- nobody we sign today is going to help us against Baltimore -- and steamroll the league when we get out of the bye with our nicked-up guys back to full HP.  

[Mango]

Well this is a dumb...

We lost by 2 and we had something like 14 starters go out at one point or another during this game. We are going to get Morse, Poyer, Tre, Jackson, Oliver, and Philips back. How can you not be amped going forward?!

[mjt328]

1 minute ago, SCBills said:

OL rarely becomes available.  Probably not going to have a chance to address that in season.   Also, we’re currently fine there (imo).  Wish they run blocked better, but they’re a solid offensive line with decent vet depth. 
 

DT & CB are short term injuries.  Knock on wood, we get to a point after the bye where our 4 man DT rotation finally sees the field together and Tre White / Kaiir Elam are backed up by Dane Jackson & a healed up Christian Benford. 
 

Safety & WR is where I’d be looking.  If it’s me, and we can make one move, I’m going full court press on Odell Beckham.  He should be affordable under the cap we have left and we don’t need to trade away picks for him.   
 

Love the potential of Gabe Davis… don’t trust him as WR2 for a full season right now.  We’ve played three games so far.  He’s missed one, played hobbled in another and was healthy for exactly one game.. the opener. 

 

Not against ODB.

But he isn't expected to return until at least Thanksgiving, and I would be surprised if he signs with anyone until then.

 

[zow2]

So our OT, Doyle tore his ACL yesterday, CB, Benford needs hand surgery, Bates is in concussion protocol and WR Kumerow has a high ankle sprain that could mess up a good chunk of his season.  

I’ll quote Stevie Johnson to the football gods….”why you do me like this?!?

[RocCityRoller]

2 hours ago, TheBrownBear said:

We lost a 2 point game in week 3 (after piling up a +55 point differential against 2 playoff teams, btw) with an injury ravaged roster where we still managed to dominate yardage and TOP.  We clearly need to BURN IT ALL DOWN!!!! SIGN SEAN PAYTON, OBJ AND TRADE FOR CHRISTIAN MCCAFFREY OR WE ARE DOOMED I TELL YA!!!!  AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

 

It's about having competent blockers in front of your multi-year quarter billion dollar franchise star. Right now we have a Bugatti W16 engine behind a Ford Focus offensive line. It is not sustainable.

 

The Bills have not invested properly in the OL, nor have they figured out an effective run game in 5 years. That is a problem.

 

Even the Packers have realized they need a complimentary run game to get the most out of Rodgers. That is how they won in week 1.

 

As amazing as the W16 is, you cant run it at maximum RPMs all the time, or pair it to a crap transmission.  Allen throwing 50-60 times a game behind a leaky OL and no run game is a recipe for disaster. Why is this such a difficult concept to understand?

[jkeerie]

1 hour ago, RyanC883 said:

 

Benford is hurt??  When/how.  missed that

Fractured hand.  McD said he'll have surgery and will be out a couple of weeks "give or take."

[ColoradoBills]

2 hours ago, LabattBlue said:

Not that I am suggesting who they should “sign/don’t sign”, but don’t the cap dollars of Hyde’s free up once he is placed on IR?

 

No.  Think about it this way.  Where would the Bills get $16M when Tre comes back?

The player goes to IR.  All vets get the total cap hit and they need to be replaced.

It costs extra money when players get hurt.

[pocoboy]

14 hours ago, zow2 said:

So our OT, Doyle tore his ACL yesterday, CB, Benford needs hand surgery, Bates is in concussion protocol and WR Kumerow has a high ankle sprain that could mess up a good chunk of his season.  

I’ll quote Stevie Johnson to the football gods….”why you do me like this?!?

 

Save yourself money and hire away Miami's trainer. Then Bates is out of concussion protocol at least.

[RiotAct]

13 hours ago, jkeerie said:

Fractured hand.  McD said he'll have surgery and will be out a couple of weeks "give or take."

Give. Definitely give.

[BuffaloBill]

17 hours ago, zow2 said:

People like to say, well we have Josh, the Bills Super Bowl window will be open for the next 5-7 years.  Ummm, maybe not?  There's probably a lot more examples of football team's who look great and then for whatever reason never get over the hump.

 

I don't like mortgaging future assets but maybe this is the year Beane has to make some in-season trades to help get a Super Bowl ready team solidified.  The injuries in the secondary and lack of run support to take pressure off of Allen are gonna be a thing.  

 

Bills have no cap space for this. 

[NastyNateSoldiers]

18 hours ago, zow2 said:

People like to say, well we have Josh, the Bills Super Bowl window will be open for the next 5-7 years.  Ummm, maybe not?  There's probably a lot more examples of football team's who look great and then for whatever reason never get over the hump.

 

I don't like mortgaging future assets but maybe this is the year Beane has to make some in-season trades to help get a Super Bowl ready team solidified.  The injuries in the secondary and lack of run support to take pressure off of Allen are gonna be a thing.  

I agree we need to make a Rams type move and make a trade near the deadline for a true #1 RB . I’m hoping Giants keep losing now until then and Barkley could be had for a 2nd rd pick. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

18 hours ago, zow2 said:

People like to say, well we have Josh, the Bills Super Bowl window will be open for the next 5-7 years.  Ummm, maybe not?  There's probably a lot more examples of football team's who look great and then for whatever reason never get over the hump.

 

I don't like mortgaging future assets but maybe this is the year Beane has to make some in-season trades to help get a Super Bowl ready team solidified.  The injuries in the secondary and lack of run support to take pressure off of Allen are gonna be a thing.  

In general, I agree. 

 

Marino taught us all, you better win when you're there, because there is no guarantee you'll ever get back. 

 

I don't think the Bills squandered 2020, the Chiefs were better, but 2021 was definitely an opportunity to be Super Bowl Champions, because I believe we beat Cincinnati in Buffalo. 

 

Colin raises a good point on Allen and his usage. He's taking a lot of shots. So at 26, he's superhuman. But I do agree, without management, he could age significantly. 

 

Additionally, this defense has been intact for several years now, and the Seahawks have taught us, it's hard to keep a defense together past 4-5 years. 

[Captain Hindsight]

17 hours ago, bmur66 said:

The Bills are fine. Even though they lost I don't think there is another team in the NFL that could have faced all the adversity and done what they did yesterday.

Right? I mean everything went wrong and they gave up 200 yards on defense and had 500 yards on offense. They lost due to the heat.

 

They were an injury in the secondary from Case Keenum playing safety and they were a few seconds away from spiking the ball for a game winning kick. I'm not worried 

[CountDorkula]

18 hours ago, Success said:

It wouldn't make sense to trade for anyone in the secondary.  Tre should be back soon, it looked like Jackson might have a short time out (at least based on reports last week), Poyer should be back.  We're deep there.

 

Tre isn't even practicing yet, nor is he cleared to practice I do not believe.

 

You are looking at least another month before White is back, IMO. 

[BarleyNY]

17 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

Who do you suggest we get?  The Bills have about $2 million dollars in cap space, and are way up against it next year.  

This. I think we will be okay next season, but we can’t be frivolous and we are tapped out now. There is a little space available in Allen’s salary (not much) but that is literally the only place left to add any space this season - other than cutting/trading some players. Other than moves close to minimum salary additions we have what we have. 

[BADOLBILZ]

17 hours ago, bmur66 said:

The Bills are fine. Even though they lost I don't think there is another team in the NFL that could have faced all the adversity and done what they did yesterday.

 

I can think of about 15 Patriots teams that could and did.

 

The Bills are stepping up in class with this schedule this season...........this is usually the way it is EVERY YEAR for teams that are SB contenders...........and there are going to be years where you have a lot of injuries.

 

It merely underscores how bad blowing the ridiculously easy schedule and good health of last season was.    To borrow a take from another sport.........the Bills made withdrawals from the bank of goodwill last year with their underachieving...........time to make some deposits and win some games where there is some adversity. 

[GunnerBill]

15 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:

Tre isn't even practicing yet, nor is he cleared to practice I do not believe.

 

You are looking at least another month before White is back, IMO. 

 

He can't practice yet. Them's the rules. He can only come off PUP after week 4, and only at that point do the rules permit him to practice. If he doesn't come off PUP immediately and start practising immediately then the Bills have not been honest with us about his process. You cannot be "on schedule" from a standard ACL tear these days and after 10 months not be in a position to even practise. 

 

It isn't the biggest thing in the world but their approach to information around injuries is starting to irritate me. Calling Jordan Phillips "day to day" last week was just an insult to our intelligence. He had clearly suffered a hamstring injury. I'd be surprised if he plays this week either. Just tell us who is day to day and who is week to week. Before anyone says they are trying to keep opponents guessing, come one.... teams can read injury reports... there is no chance in hell anyone in Miami believed Phillips was playing. 

 

I get not wanting to commit to definitive timelines. But at the moment I feel like we could watch a player break a leg on the field and still hear McDermott call him "day to day" the next morning. Grinds my gears a bit. 

[CountDorkula]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He can't practice yet. Them's the rules. He can only come off PUP after week 4, and only at that point do the rules permit him to practice. If he doesn't come off PUP immediately and start practising immediately then the Bills have not been honest with us about his process. You cannot be "on schedule" from a standard ACL tear these days and after 10 months not be in a position to even practise. 

 

It isn't the biggest thing in the world but their approach to information around injuries is starting to irritate me. Calling Jordan Phillips "day to day" last week was just an insult to our intelligence. He had clearly suffered a hamstring injury. I'd be surprised if he plays this week either. Just tell us who is day to day and who is week to week. Before anyone says they are trying to keep opponents guessing, come one.... teams can read injury reports... there is no chance in hell anyone in Miami believed Phillips was playing. 

 

I get not wanting to commit to definitive timelines. But at the moment I feel like we could watch a player break a leg on the field and still hear McDermott call him "day to day" the next morning. Grinds my gears a bit. 

The Bills brining in Xavier Rhodes for a visit tells me a little something, IMO. 

 

If I'm looking at timeline I'm looking at JK Dobbins who missed a year +.

Edited September 27, 2022 by CountDorkula

[GunnerBill]

15 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:

The Bills brining in Xavier Rhodes for a visit tells me a little something, IMO. 

 

If I'm looking at timeline I'm looking at JK Dobbins who missed a year +.

 

But Dobbins also injured the LCL it wasn't a "standard" ACL tear (to the extent that there is such a thing). We were told White's was a standard ACL with no damage to other ligaments. If he cannot come off PUP and start practising immediately in week 4 then he is at least a month behind what you would expect for a standard ACL tear these days. Of course no two injuries are ever identical but the Bills spent the whole summer saying "on schedule" and it feels like he is slightly behind schedule to me. I suspect there was a min-setback somewhere and they didn't want to talk about it. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He can't practice yet. Them's the rules. He can only come off PUP after week 4, and only at that point do the rules permit him to practice. If he doesn't come off PUP immediately and start practising immediately then the Bills have not been honest with us about his process. You cannot be "on schedule" from a standard ACL tear these days and after 10 months not be in a position to even practise. 

 

It isn't the biggest thing in the world but their approach to information around injuries is starting to irritate me. Calling Jordan Phillips "day to day" last week was just an insult to our intelligence. He had clearly suffered a hamstring injury. I'd be surprised if he plays this week either. Just tell us who is day to day and who is week to week. Before anyone says they are trying to keep opponents guessing, come one.... teams can read injury reports... there is no chance in hell anyone in Miami believed Phillips was playing. 

 

I get not wanting to commit to definitive timelines. But at the moment I feel like we could watch a player break a leg on the field and still hear McDermott call him "day to day" the next morning. Grinds my gears a bit. 

I agree. 

 

It's been one of McDermott's mannerisms since his hiring. 

 

As you know, he gives generic, vanilla answers to every question, and most of the time, the Buffalo media asks him about his feelings every game, not harder open ended questions. 

 

Nobody in the room asks, what was the team trying to establish on the 2nd drive of the game with a run to Moss, run to Moss? 

 

Nobody says, Sean, why not run it 3x straight on 2nd-Goal from 1 with under 2 minutes left. 

 

It's all, "what does it say about this team that they hung in there despite the injuries?" so it tee's McDermott up for a snow cone answer. 

[Billz4ever]

21 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

No...not happening.

 

The Bills D allowed 212 yards to a team that just put up 500 something yards the week before.  Why would they think they need to go get someone?

 

I am not sure how much you understand about football but they are running a different run blocking scheme under Dorsey and Kromer than they did under Daboll which features a lot of zone blocking.  This is going to take time to adjust to and for the line to understand how to maximize their effectiveness at it. Probably will not see them at their best in this regard until after midseason.

While true, I would attribute their 212 yards of offense more on the fact their defense couldn't get the Bills offense off the field.  They only had the ball 18 minutes and moved the ball when they did.

 

I'm not advocating for any knee jerk spending sprees here, but if our receiving corps keeps taking the hits they are with injuries, OBJ is more and more tempting if he can be had for a contender discount and is healthy.

[blacklabel]

21 hours ago, pocoboy said:

 

Man, 1 loss in September and it's already doomsday.

 

Right? I really can't fault them too much for this loss. The defense did pretty well missing their entire starting secondary sans Taron Johnson. And I think if the OL was able to hold up they probably would've won the game. It happens. But now we've got a buncha posts about this coach needs to do this and Beane should go do that and blah blah blah. They're looking at DBs today and probably OL as well. I doubt he swings any monster trades or anything but I'm sure they're doing the work. 

[FilthyBeast]

21 hours ago, zow2 said:

People like to say, well we have Josh, the Bills Super Bowl window will be open for the next 5-7 years.  Ummm, maybe not?  There's probably a lot more examples of football team's who look great and then for whatever reason never get over the hump.

 

I don't like mortgaging future assets but maybe this is the year Beane has to make some in-season trades to help get a Super Bowl ready team solidified.  The injuries in the secondary and lack of run support to take pressure off of Allen are gonna be a thing.  

 

Depending on where this team is before the trade deadline in terms of injuries and record wise I could definitely see a move or two made.

 

But I don't see a scenario where any 1st round picks are traded if anything because the team won't have the cap space to accommodate the type of player they'd be getting in return.

 

Either way this team is treading dangerous waters right now where injuries can ruin everything similar to the Ravens last year and 49er's in 2020.

[Big Turk]

12 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

While true, I would attribute their 212 yards of offense more on the fact their defense couldn't get the Bills offense off the field.  They only had the ball 18 minutes and moved the ball when they did.

 

I'm not advocating for any knee jerk spending sprees here, but if our receiving corps keeps taking the hits they are with injuries, OBJ is more and more tempting if he can be had for a contender discount and is healthy.

 

They punted 5 times including 3 3 and outs...they had a chance to stay on the field more, they just couldn't do it.

 

OBJ while it seems good really depends on where he is with the ACL. Most players usually aren't right for about a year or so even after they get back to fully playing.  So we would be getting OBJ at maybe 70% of what he normally is.

Edited September 27, 2022 by Big Turk

[Bruffalo]

Lose by 2 points with the entire secondary out, missing our top 2 interior lineman, a center, and a banged up #2 WR.

"Time to panic guys!"

[pocoboy]

18 minutes ago, blacklabel said:

 

Right? I really can't fault them too much for this loss. The defense did pretty well missing their entire starting secondary sans Taron Johnson. And I think if the OL was able to hold up they probably would've won the game. It happens. But now we've got a buncha posts about this coach needs to do this and Beane should go do that and blah blah blah. They're looking at DBs today and probably OL as well. I doubt he swings any monster trades or anything but I'm sure they're doing the work. 

 

The coaching staff is what they are, it's tough to see them changing now after 5 years. Could have replaced Frazier this offseason but stuck with him. They have to find a way to get on the right side of the results when the margins are thin.

[ColoradoBills]

7 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

But Dobbins also injured the LCL it wasn't a "standard" ACL tear (to the extent that there is such a thing). We were told White's was a standard ACL with no damage to other ligaments. If he cannot come off PUP and start practising immediately in week 4 then he is at least a month behind what you would expect for a standard ACL tear these days. Of course no two injuries are ever identical but the Bills spent the whole summer saying "on schedule" and it feels like he is slightly behind schedule to me. I suspect there was a min-setback somewhere and they didn't want to talk about it. 

 

Everything you say is possible.  What none of us know is what Tre has been able to do on his own (of course with approval from

medical people).  

So, we wait until next week to see if it's longer or he can hit practicing literally on the run.  My hope is he's good to go next week and

can be ready for the KC game. 

[Back2Buff]

With Hyde being out for the year, why isn't Beane signing a Safety?  The guy on the PS isn't even experienced enough to come in.

 

This team refuses to use Neal on defense.  I don't even know if he played any defense in the preseason.

 

I guess they could use Cam Lewis who never seems to be healthy anyways.

 

Right now we have 3 total safeties on roster, and IMO Johnson really struggled last game.  With a couple vets still on market (Landon Collins, Jaquiski Tartt, etc) it seems strange that it is being neglected.  

[TH3]

Beane on the hot seat!

[ColoradoBills]

I'm just going to reply generally about all this stuff.

Beane has to be as confused as all of us on these injuries.  He has very limited funds.

He needs to move a player to fit Xavier.  He just signed an OL.

 

I bet he is waiting to see the injury report with a little more anxiety than us fans.

 

[Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD]

If Poyer is still out, we could sign Josh Thomas from the Cardinals practice squad.

[Big Turk]

2 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

I'm just going to reply generally about all this stuff.

Beane has to be as confused as all of us on these injuries.  He has very limited funds.

He needs to move a player to fit Xavier.  He just signed an OL.

 

I bet he is waiting to see the injury report with a little more anxiety than us fans.

 

 

He doesn't have to since he signed him to the PS

 

https://www.nfl.com/news/former-vikings-colts-cb-xavier-rhodes-signing-with-bills

Edited September 28, 2022 by Big Turk

[Back2Buff]

1 minute ago, ColoradoBills said:

I'm just going to reply generally about all this stuff.

Beane has to be as confused as all of us on these injuries.  He has very limited funds.

He needs to move a player to fit Xavier.  He just signed an OL.

 

I bet he is waiting to see the injury report with a little more anxiety than us fans.

 

 

Hyde is out for the year.  The current injury report won't change that.

[SCBills]

Part of me is wondering if he’s just trying to get to the bye week, at which point, if we have a healthy Tre White, Dane Jackson, Kaiir Elam, Christian Benford and Xavier Rhodes, somebody (Benford?) starts transitioning to Safety. 
 

There’s been rumblings that Benford (long term) may be a Safety here. 

[RiotAct]

“I like our guys.”

 

— Buck Showalter

 

— Also Brandon Beane, probably.

[LabattBlue]

13 minutes ago, Back2Buff said:

With Hyde being out for the year, why isn't Beane signing a Safety?  The guy on the PS isn't even experienced enough to come in.

 

This team refuses to use Neal on defense.  I don't even know if he played any defense in the preseason.

 

I guess they could use Cam Lewis who never seems to be healthy anyways.

 

Right now we have 3 total safeties on roster, and IMO Johnson really struggled last game.  With a couple vets still on market (Landon Collins, Jaquiski Tartt, etc) it seems strange that it is being neglected.  

Now that you have brought it to his attention, I am sure a signing is imminent. 

[ColoradoBills]

4 minutes ago, Back2Buff said:

 

Hyde is out for the year.  The current injury report won't change that.

 

I'm talking about the current injury report.  If you can't see what I mean, fine.

I'm sure he has contacted S's agents.  If and when he signs one has other implications.

He added another DL to the 53.  He would need to cut one or put one on IR to open a spot for a S on the 53. As an example.

[John from Riverside]

17 minutes ago, Back2Buff said:

With Hyde being out for the year, why isn't Beane signing a Safety?  The guy on the PS isn't even experienced enough to come in.

 

This team refuses to use Neal on defense.  I don't even know if he played any defense in the preseason.

 

I guess they could use Cam Lewis who never seems to be healthy anyways.

 

Right now we have 3 total safeties on roster, and IMO Johnson really struggled last game.  With a couple vets still on market (Landon Collins, Jaquiski Tartt, etc) it seems strange that it is being neglected.  

Johnson did not really struggle in the last game

[Back2Buff]

1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

Johnson did not really struggle in the last game

 

One of the lowest PFF grades and had a huge penalty that cost us the game.  Also, got burned on the Waddle play.

[SoCal Deek]

You can all sit here and question the personnel moves, but I'm going to trust that the coaches and management that work with these players every single day know an awful lot more about the roster than any of us do.  Of course, I may be wrong. (sarcasm)