Hot take: Secondary will be fine this week vs the fish.

[ChicagoRic]

Jaquan Johnson looked last year in spot duty and again in preseason. Taron Johnson, Siran Neal, and Cam Lewis know the system and the rookies have held up so far.  Poyer is off to a great start this season.  More importantly, our base deep shell pass defense is designed to take the top off of a passing game.  Tua looked good last week, but I don't expect a repeat performance. 

[Big Turk]

Just now, ChicagoRic said:

Jaquan Johnson looked last year in spot duty and again in preseason. Taron Johnson, Siran Neal, and Cam Lewis know the system and the rookies have held up so far.  Poyer is off to a great start this season.  More importantly, our base deep shell pass defense is designed to take the top off of a passing game.  Tua looked good last week, but I don't expect a repeat performance. 

 

The Fins are much closer to an offense that scored 27 points in 7 quarters than the one that scored 28 points in 1 quarter.

Edited September 23, 2022 by Big Turk

[MJS]

I think they'll be fine, but I wouldn't be surprised if Hill and/or Waddle slip free for some big plays and TD's. But I think the Bills will hold them under 30 points and that the offense will take care of business to get the win.

[SCBills]

It’s going to be all about the Defensive Line.

 

If the backend of the defense ends up being Elam-Benford-Johnson-Johnson-Poyer, there’s only so much you can do to protect an outside rookie corner on each side. 

Furthermore, there’s only so much you can do against Hill, Waddle and Gesicki.
 

While Jaquan Johnson isn’t Micah Hyde, he’s a very cerebral, smart player who’s been in the system for years now.  Everyone who knows anything about him has said he’s ready.. and not just “ready”, but “been ready”. 
 

I expect the secondary to impress.  Some of that will be due to the fact that, while young/inexperienced, these guys are talented.. but a lot of that will be due to the fact that this Defensive Line is an absolute game wrecker.  
 

Let’s just hope we get a 2 for 1 swap of Oliver/Settle for Phillips, because interior pressure is what takes this group to another level when opposing lines have to be focused on Von and the trio of young pass rushers off the edge.  

[clearwater cadet]

Pass rush is the key, pressure Tua, rattle him and he will fold like a chair.

[Royale with Cheese]

Jeremy White brought up a good point this morning.  McDermott seems very comfortable with Hamlin and Johnson.  It's the only positional unit that we didn't do anything with all offseason.  They were just fine with our depth.

[billsbackto81]

1 minute ago, clearwater cadet said:

Pass rush is the key, pressure Tua, rattle him and he will fold like a chair.

Agree. Knock Tua to the turf a few times and those short weak passes he throws become shorter and weaker.

[Royale with Cheese]

If we get good play from our safety's....does this hurt Poyer's extension?

[Augie]

27 minutes ago, ChicagoRic said:

Jaquan Johnson looked last year in spot duty and again in preseason. Taron Johnson, Siran Neal, and Cam Lewis know the system and the rookies have held up so far.  Poyer is off to a great start this season.  More importantly, our base deep shell pass defense is designed to take the top off of a passing game.  Tua looked good last week, but I don't expect a repeat performance. 

 

He put up ridiculous numbers, but I personally thought he looked terrible doing it. It was freaky in that regard. The ball just takes a long time getting there. He was like Lucky Fitzy for a quarter there, taking chances with his weak throws, but somehow just kept getting away with it! Fitz used to make me laugh with some of those tosses. 

 

 

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Edited September 23, 2022 by Augie

[SCBills]

6 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

If we get good play from our safety's....does this hurt Poyer's extension?

I don’t know that it matters either way.  That restructure of his contract this year seems like a “we appreciate you, let’s win this thing and then go get paid elsewhere” type of gesture.  
 

Id put the odds pretty high that we re-sign Jaquan Johnson in the off-season and - fingers crossed Hyde is ok - our Safety tandem next year is Johnson and Hyde. 
 

If Johnson falls on his face, unlikely but could happen, replace him with a Day 1 / Day 2 draft pick. 
 

Edited September 23, 2022 by SCBills

[Royale with Cheese]

8 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

He put up ridiculous numbers, but I personally thought he looked terrible doing it. It was freaky in that regard. The ball just takes a long time getting there. He was like Lucky Fitzy for a quarter there, taking chances with his weak throws, but somehow just kept getting away with it! Fitz used to make me laugh with some of those tosses. 

 

 

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Tua duplicating what he did last week is very unlikely.  We play our safety's deep and let Tua try to sustain long 10 play drives...he won't be able to do that like 4-5 times because that's what it will take to  beat us.  Their defense can't pressure, linebackers can't move and secondary allowed Lamar to throw all over them.  

We will score at least 30.

[Son of a K-Gun]

After casually watching the first two Dolphins games I couldn't help but notice that Tua really forces the ball in to Waddhill and they have bailed him out already a couple of times.  Maybe one of the rooks can bag an opportunistic pick (or two or twelve)?

[Rubes]

Gotta believe McBeane is/are thinking long-term here with respect to the secondary. No quick fixes with veteran FA signings, let the young guys show their stuff against an offense with a lot of weapons. Throw them all in the fire and see what we’ve got going forward.

 

Seems like a reasonable strategy given the investments they’ve made, but it could get a little ugly at times as they learn to play individually and together.

 

But just imagine if, somehow, we come out of this one with a solid showing by the secondary. When Dane, Tre, Jordan, and Micah are all healthy and back, that would just be an embarrassment of riches.

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

We’ve got to be realistic. If Hyde and Jackson are out that is a lot to overcome communication wise. J.Johnson is ready but communication is key in our defense.

 

DL must eat.

[strive_for_five_guy]

I predict Elam gets his first pick this weekend.  Waddle and Hill are tough matchups, but Tua will be under heavy duress and Elam gonna step up with a big play.

[Buffalo Boy]

15 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

If we get good play from our safety's....does this hurt Poyer's extension?

   I think it is sooner than later we start to move on from our safety tandem. Not to throw and shade or be unappreciative of how lucky we are to have them.

    Beane is going to have to continue to move on from good players with years left of effective playing if we are going to have continuing success as a team. 
    Poyer and Hyde are not spring chickens and we have decent backups. Also, this FO seems to have an ability to pick DBs.

[RiotAct]

my wife says things are “fine” all the time. :: Nervous laugh ::

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

14 minutes ago, SCBills said:

I don’t know that it matters either way.  That restructure of his contract this year seems like a “we appreciate you, let’s win this thing and then go get paid elsewhere” type of gesture.  
 

Id put the odds pretty high that we re-sign Jaquan Johnson in the off-season and - fingers crossed Hyde is ok - our Safety tandem next year is Johnson and Hyde. 
 

If Johnson falls on his face, unlikely but could happen, replace him with a Day 1 / Day 2 draft pick. 
 

 

My thoughts for 2023 (which who cares a lot will change by then) 

 

White Elam Johnson at CB with dane/neal as depth - and Benford moves to safety.  

[Ramza86]

This is the game where the Von Miller signing shows us we spent our money well.

 

Can we protect the DBs out there by creating pressure on Tua?

[LabattBlue]

7 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

We’ve got to be realistic. If Hyde and Jackson are out that is a lot to overcome communication wise. J.Johnson is ready but communication is key in our defense.

 

DL must eat.

Communication is important in all defenses. The Bills aren’t reinventing the wheel in that regard. 

[Haslett_Stomp]

6 minutes ago, Ramza86 said:

This is the game where the Von Miller signing shows us we spent our money well.

 

Can we protect the DBs out there by creating pressure on Tua?

 

I think Rousseau is going to have a big game.

[Don Otreply]

I see two picks, possibly three, and one of them going back for six, tossing floaters up on our D is not a great idea, just sayin.

 

Go Bills!!!

[TampaBillsJunkie]

Honestly, this game is about the weather. I live here and the heat and humidity is oppressive and drains so much energy out of you, especially  if you are performing physical activity outside. The Bills training staff better be ready to keep everyone hydrated and free of cramps.  Our rotations and depth will be the key to this game.  

Just doing yard work or light labor outside makes you sweat so much that your shirt needs to be wrung out. I can't imagine going full speed with 20 lbs of equipment on me for three hours in the middle of the afternoon. And 3-4 pm is like the witching hour where the heat will hit 95-100 degrees with killer humidity. 

 

If this was a night game, I'd say the Bills win by 17+ but I think it will be close and in the 4th quarter we are going to need fresh players who have energy. This is where Hill and Waddle can take advantage of our DB's and DL slowing down. especially since we are missing players in these positions.  It's going to take all 53 to win this game. 

[Royale with Cheese]

4 minutes ago, TampaBillsJunkie said:

Honestly, this game is about the weather. I live here and the heat and humidity is oppressive and drains so much energy out of you, especially  if you are performing physical activity outside. The Bills training staff better be ready to keep everyone hydrated and free of cramps.  Our rotations and depth will be the key to this game.  

Just doing yard work or light labor outside makes you sweat so much that your shirt needs to be wrung out. I can't imagine going full speed with 20 lbs of equipment on me for three hours in the middle of the afternoon. And 3-4 pm is like the witching hour where the heat will hit 95-100 degrees with killer humidity. 

 

If this was a night game, I'd say the Bills win by 17+ but I think it will be close and in the 4th quarter we are going to need fresh players who have energy. This is where Hill and Waddle can take advantage of our DB's and DL slowing down. especially since we are missing players in these positions.  It's going to take all 53 to win this game. 

 

Weather.com is saying now 80% chance of rain Monday afternoon.  Thunderstorms possible.

 

**Nevermind.  I was looking at Monday lol.  Sunday is showing 40% right now.  But it's always like that down there this time of year.**

Edited September 23, 2022 by Royale with Cheese

[Pokebball]

The "F it" play. See at about the 6:55 mark    Link

[Nextmanup]

We are going to be in for a dogfight this week.

We'll be starting 2 rookies at corner and no way will Hyde be able to play.  Tre remains out of course.

 

That's a lot of shoes to fill, and Hill is as dangerous an offensive weapon as this league has, while Jaylen Waddle is a superstar in the making.

 

They will definitely HURT us in this game.  Will it be enough for Miami to win?  I don't think so.

 

But they will get their points here and there.

 

 

[gordong]

New England held them to one one TD...   is everyone really that worried about the fish?   We have a much better defense than New England dont we?

 

[Son of a K-Gun]

3 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

We are going to be in for a dogfight this week.

We'll be starting 2 rookies at corner and no way will Hyde be able to play.  Tre remains out of course.

 

That's a lot of shoes to fill, and Hill is as dangerous an offensive weapon as this league has, while Jaylen Waddle is a superstar in the making.

 

They will definitely HURT us in this game.  Will it be enough for Miami to win?  I don't think so.

 

But they will get their points here and there.

 

 

 

Your name is literally Nextmanup...

[NickelCity]

6 minutes ago, gordong said:

New England held them to one one TD...   is everyone really that worried about the fish?   We have a much better defense than New England dont we?

 

How many starters or key DLine rotational players will we have out? 4? 5? 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

5 minutes ago, NickelCity said:

 

How many starters or key DLine rotational players will we have out? 4? 5? 

 

 

DL looks like it's just Phillips.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

I actually think Miami is going to try to run it down our throats. I expect Hill to be lined up in the backfield quite a bit.

[NickelCity]

9 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

DL looks like it's just Phillips.

 

Phillips + Hyde, Dane, Tre, in total?

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, NickelCity said:

 

Phillips + Hyde, Dane, Tre, in total?

 

We haven't had Tre at all this season.  We have only had Ed Oliver for 2 quarters.

 

Jaquan Johnson has been here for 4 years.

 

I trust our pass rush and that will take off pressure from our depleted secondary.  Tua has had one great quarter.

 

 

[uninja]

6 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

DL looks like it's just Phillips.

I’m not 100% that Oliver and Settle will be 100% either. I’m glad we have a rotation because I wouldn’t be surprised if they had them on pitch counts. 

 

I still think the Bills take this game and likely win by double digits in the end but I think the Phins keep it interesting. We’ll prolly start another cut Edmunds thread because Waddle or Hill takes a 5 yard dump off 70 yards to the house.

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, uninja said:

I’m not 100% that Oliver and Settle will be 100% either. I’m glad we have a rotation because I wouldn’t be surprised if they had them on pitch counts. 

 

I still think the Bills take this game and likely win by double digits in the end but I think the Phins keep it interesting. We’ll prolly start another cut Edmunds thread because Waddle or Hill takes a 5 yard dump off 70 yards to the house.

 

Well that would be silly for those members.  Shouldn't be asking a MLB in the open field to stop those fast WR's.

[Nextmanup]

28 minutes ago, Son of a K-Gun said:

 

Your name is literally Nextmanup...

Right.  McDermott contacted me last night and asked if I was ready to go.

I assured him I was.  They're going to be using me in dime situations.

 

 

[BillsFanSD]

I expect Miami to score more points than the Rams or Titans did, but IMO people are over-reacting to our injuries.  If you told me that Miami was going to score, say, 24 points on Sunday, I'd feel really good about getting the W if that's the only piece of information I had to go on.  They still can't keep up with us in a track meet.  

[Jauronimo]

Tua threw the ball 50 times last week.  He was sacked once and hit twice.  I think he will not be as comfortable this Sunday.

 

Hill and Waddle will get their yards.  If we limit the big plays I expect we win.  Their speedy WRs will be a good test for our defense.  

[Motor26]

Not sure the injury status of Terron Armstead but if he is out or if his toe injury is bothering him that would be a huge win for the Bills. 

[Big Turk]

41 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

I actually think Miami is going to try to run it down our throats. I expect Hill to be lined up in the backfield quite a bit.

 

Based on what exactly and why would you think that is going to work from what you've seen the first 2 games? The Bills have the #1 run D in the NFL and Miami averages 3.7 YPC.

 

9 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Tua threw the ball 50 times last week.  He was sacked once and hit twice.  I think he will not be as comfortable this Sunday.

 

Hill and Waddle will get their yards.  If we limit the big plays I expect we win.  Their speedy WRs will be a good test for our defense.  

 

If he throws the ball 50 times it will be disastrous for the Fins

Edited September 23, 2022 by Big Turk