dollars 2 donuts Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 22 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Dude...I used to dig this song. Starting mouthing it in my offense the moment I saw this. Good stuff. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Let’s say Buffalo is in a 3 WR set… D needs to double Diggs and have 2 very good man on man corners to cover the other 2. they need a player on Josh running/ underneath crossing routes/ short dumps. 4 rush the passer. that leave 2 Dmen to handle Knox., RB, and help contain Josh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 9 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said: Zone D. Front 4 pressure. Stout against run in base nickel. Comes down to pressure and getting home a few times or at least keeping allen looking at the rush instead of downfield. That's what the Rams tried to do, and Josh just got the ball out really quickly to short to medium targets to negate the rush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 55 minutes ago, BIGFOOTspaceman said: Make the Bills run the ball. Easier said than done but they haven't proven they can switch up and run the ball consistently. They pretty much abandoned it against the Titans because the pass game was clicking....but I would be concerned if a D-Coord actually finds a way to take away the passing attack. Does anyone feel comfortable that the Bills can ground and pound it for a win? Bad weather would be this team's undoing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Large Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 1 hour ago, buffalo2218 said: I'm not sold on the running game being effective just yet. The Titans sold out to stop the run which I thought was odd given their secondary wasn't exactly all pro. The narrative has changed this year to it seems to only team to stop the Bills is the Bills If they would have let the running game get going, in theory play action would have made it even harder on the secondary. Didn't seem to make a differene. But that run game may be the difference between an ring and no ring..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo2218 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 1 minute ago, B-Large said: If they would have let the running game get going, in theory play action would have made it even harder on the secondary. Didn't seem to make a differene. But that run game may be the difference between an ring and no ring..... Couldn't agree more, but the Titans were selling out for the run most of the night. Even after Josh kept the death by 1000 cuts approach goin, they still acted like we had Jim Brown in his prime in our backfield 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 (edited) 21 minutes ago, djp14150 said: Let’s say Buffalo is in a 3 WR set… D needs to double Diggs and have 2 very good man on man corners to cover the other 2. they need a player on Josh running/ underneath crossing routes/ short dumps. 4 rush the passer. that leave 2 Dmen to handle Knox., RB, and help contain Josh. Well first, you have to have the players who are physically capable of doing it. That eliminates probably half the teams in the NFL right off the bat. The Bills simply can just go out and beat those teams on physical talent alone, without even scheming anything. As in the Bills could show up with the most basic gameplans and probably still drub most of those teams. That leaves the other half of teams. The problem is, even if you play perfect coverage, have everything diagnosed properly and are in position perfectly, Allen is still capable of just taking off and making a man or two miss and getting a big gain simply because he is faster and more athletic than the guys you have in position to stop him from doing so. This is why you see things like Defensive coaches on the sidelines just throwing their hands up in the air like Vic Fangio did in Denver, Belichick throwing the Surface laptop and throwing the phone and generally getting so frustrated. You do everything right, play the perfect defense, execute it perfectly and it still doesn't matter, Allen will still beat you. Think of the play in the Rams game where he leapt over Bobby Wagner for the TD...everyone was covered perfectly, Allen had nowhere to go. Wagner was right in position to make the play, one of the best tacklers in NFL history, an all-pro and future HOF player, and it didn't matter. And the number of times in a game where you can do all of that are few and far between, so it is especially frustrating when you actually do it and STILL can't stop him. Edited September 21, 2022 by Big Turk 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Try to jam TEs/receivers at the line of scrimmage, be extremely physical, and pray. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Doing intel for the Fins? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 40 plus MPH winds like the home NE game last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 An Injury to diggs would slow it down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bongo Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Solomon Grundy said: Doing intel for the Fins? I heard there was a very large sale of rubber mats near their stadium this week. Hmmmmm…. Has anybody been poking around in our archives recently??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, B-Large said: If they would have let the running game get going, in theory play action would have made it even harder on the secondary. Didn't seem to make a differene. But that run game may be the difference between an ring and no ring..... That's because play action effectiveness has no reliance on the running game actually being good, rather, it is more correlated with the situation potentially being a down/distance which makes a run play more likely. Full confidence we will be much better post bye once Kromer and the OLine has more time with the new run blocking system. Edited September 21, 2022 by Big Turk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Get consistent pressure on Allen up the middle without blitzing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Thought this was going to be another Tua thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sestak4ever Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 You can call the perfect defense and Josh can still fire a laser that beats the coverage or he can beat you with his legs and brains. He does a tremendous job making decisions based off of defensive reactions and can change any play while it is developing on the field. The only hope DC’s have is that Josh makes a mistake. Of course that is for only one play. Josh is amazing and we are blessed to have him. Go Bills!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 I think with any QB....get consistent pressure. KC did it to him in the AFCCG 2 years ago and Pittsburgh/Jax did it last year to us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwnyer Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 overconfidence is what stops them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 42 minutes ago, buffalo2218 said: Couldn't agree more, but the Titans were selling out for the run most of the night. Even after Josh kept the death by 1000 cuts approach goin, they still acted like we had Jim Brown in his prime in our backfield agreed. It was a bizarre game plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 You do what the Giants did in Super Bowl XXV, keep the ball out of the Bills hands by dominating time of possession. To counteract the Bills' no-huddle offense, the Giants' used a tough-nosed, conservative plan on both sides of the ball. On offense, the plan was to use a power running game utilizing Ottis Anderson, aided by quarterback rollouts, bootlegs, and play-action fakes. As tight end Mark Bavaro later recalled, "We came out with three tight ends, fat slobs picking you up and moving you and letting you tackle O.J. [Anderson], if you could."[citation needed] This enabled them to take time off the clock and limit Buffalo's possessions. The Giants set a Super Bowl record for time of possession with 40 minutes and 33 seconds, including 22 minutes in the second half. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 I think it's same way the Bills would stop the Chiefs. Cover 2 shell, make the Bills run or dink and dunk down the field. Get pressure from 4, in the Bills case I think that's up the gut. If a team can do that, it will shorten the game and eat up the clock. This allows the game to stay close, if the other teams offense can keep up. It also gives more options to the other teams offense and doesn't force them in to the Bills defensivee strength, pass defending. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 55 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said: That's what the Rams tried to do, and Josh just got the ball out really quickly to short to medium targets to negate the rush. This was the most impressive (and scariest to every other team) thing about W1. The Rams' defense did not play poorly and Josh still carved them up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pags24 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Not sure this offense can be stopped right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, eball said: This was the most impressive (and scariest to every other team) thing about W1. The Rams' defense did not play poorly and Josh still carved them up. It was 10 - 10 at halftime though and the Rams were getting the ball back after the half. I think if you are going toe to toe with the Bills, that's where you need to be. It wasn't a runaway at that point. The problem for the Rams was they came out of the half and had a 3 and out, then the Bills scored on their drive. Then they had a 6 play drive that ended in a punt. Then the Bills scored again and just like that it's 24 -10 and the games getting away from them. Their offense just couldn't keep up. You argue that's the right approach but whether another team can keep up with he Bills and Allen, is the question. Edited September 21, 2022 by Wayne Cubed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Wayne Cubed said: It was 10 - 10 at halftime ...because of a McKenzie bobble, one bad Josh throw, and a fumble. Josh was dealing, even in the 1st half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 1 hour ago, buffalo2218 said: Couldn't agree more, but the Titans were selling out for the run most of the night. Even after Josh kept the death by 1000 cuts approach goin, they still acted like we had Jim Brown in his prime in our backfield Maybe they figured they couldn't stop us passing anyway so they at least wanted to put us in longer down and distances if we ran the ball on early downs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, eball said: ...because of a McKenzie bobble, one bad Josh throw, and a fumble. Josh was dealing, even in the 1st half. Did I say anywhere Josh wasn't dealing? I simply stated it was 10 -10 at halftime, if you are an opposing team, that's where you want to be if you have any shot at beating the Bills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Don Otreply said: If the Bills do not demonstrate that they can run the ball, all season long , it will come back to bite them in the late season & playoffs, ya can’t be a one dimensional team against the good teams, jmo. Go Bills!!! The Bills aren't built like the Browns or Titans, who need the running game to carry them for 4 Quarters. If you are looking for a 20-25 carry, 100 yard game from an RB on this roster, you are probably going to be disappointed all season. That's just not us. All we need from the running game is the ability to gain 4-5 yards when the defense shows light boxes and plays heavy coverage. Doesn't matter if that comes from Devin Singletary, Zack Moss, James Cook or from Josh Allen. So far, I would say that Singletary has been very effective in doing exactly that. 6.0 YPC against the Rams. 5.4 YPC against the Titans. The Rams came out with plans to stop the deep passing game. So we picked down the field underneath, and broke off some nice runs with Singletary/Allen. The Titans seemed geared to stop Allen from breaking the pocket, so we hit them downfield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 4 minutes ago, mjt328 said: The Bills aren't built like the Browns or Titans, who need the running game to carry them for 4 Quarters. If you are looking for a 20-25 carry, 100 yard game from an RB on this roster, you are probably going to be disappointed all season. That's just not us. All we need from the running game is the ability to gain 4-5 yards when the defense shows light boxes and plays heavy coverage. Doesn't matter if that comes from Devin Singletary, Zack Moss, James Cook or from Josh Allen. So far, I would say that Singletary has been very effective in doing exactly that. 6.0 YPC against the Rams. 5.4 YPC against the Titans. Which is fine. The Patriots and Brady won a couple Super Bowls using the pass (short quick throws) as their running game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Grits blitzes. 8 man rushes the entire 1st qrtr and hit Allen on every single down. If he's still standing in the 2nd qrtr keep running it but dropping the occasional zone dawg in there to see if you can steal a turnover. Complement this with heavy packages on offense to run both the ball and the clock and with just enough PA sprinkled in to keep the 'backers honest. If Allen finishes the game, you probably lose, but at least you have a punchers chance to break him. Oh, and sacrifice goats in the locker room both pregame and at halftime. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo2218 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 12 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Maybe they figured they couldn't stop us passing anyway so they at least wanted to put us in longer down and distances if we ran the ball on early downs? That sounds plausible, given their secondary inexperience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 2 hours ago, JerseyBills said: Hypothetically, if you were a fan of another team, going against our boys, what in the world do you do on defense to stop the Bills? I mean they were tough last year but wow , they are operating on a different level. We can go 5 wide to a heavy set in a matter of a play and destroy you. With a running game that's effective as well. Man/zone, a spy, it doesn't Matter.. A DCs worse nightmare. Just curious about some opinions on What would we be saying in the lead up to a game against Allen and this O? Because I have none. I have no clue how you stop this O, or slow them down for lack of a better term. Go Bills! I saw someone say that “only the Bills can stop the Bills” and I do think that’s true. Allen is getting to the point where he’s combating everything a defense does. I hate to say it but he’s starting to get the Mahomes treatment…as well as similar results: - Drop 7 or 8 in coverage - run the ball versus a light box - Rush the passer - dump the ball off quickly - Cover 2 protecting deep - dink and dunk to move the secondary up. - blitz - good luck I think unforced errors is what can hurt the offense - INT’s, fumbled, missed blocks etc. With that being said I don’t think they are invincible…but for a team to beat them they will either need to score points or the Bills will really have to turn the ball over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LABILLBACKER Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 (edited) You don't. If we don't turn the ball over we're scoring 30+. And apparently even if we do have 4 turnovers, we'll score 30+. We gotta get healthier on the D. Edited September 21, 2022 by LABILLBACKER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 13 minutes ago, mjt328 said: The Bills aren't built like the Browns or Titans, who need the running game to carry them for 4 Quarters. If you are looking for a 20-25 carry, 100 yard game from an RB on this roster, you are probably going to be disappointed all season. That's just not us. All we need from the running game is the ability to gain 4-5 yards when the defense shows light boxes and plays heavy coverage. Doesn't matter if that comes from Devin Singletary, Zack Moss, James Cook or from Josh Allen. So far, I would say that Singletary has been very effective in doing exactly that. 6.0 YPC against the Rams. 5.4 YPC against the Titans. The Rams came out with plans to stop the deep passing game. So we picked down the field underneath, and broke off some nice runs with Singletary/Allen. The Titans seemed geared to stop Allen from breaking the pocket, so we hit them downfield. We all know we are a pass first offense, but, we need to show we can run the ball when we want to, not even every game but we must show that we can, like I said, being one dimensional as an offense is not ideal, gotta keep defenses honest, that’s a must. I’m NOT an four yards in a pile of dirt guy, but ya gotta keep your opponents guessing, Go Bills!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Even the best quarterbacks in NFL history have the occasional bad game. And even the best offenses have days where they have trouble getting in sync. That's pretty much what you need to hope for, because I'm not sure a scheme alone is enough to stop them for an entire game. At this point, Josh Allen has shown success against every kind of defense. Man, Zone, Cover 0-1-2-3. He can beat you with the short game. He can beat you over the top. Even when you do everything right, he can beat you with his legs. And with more experience, he is becoming tougher and tougher to fool with exotic looks and trickery. Like any great QB at his peak, the best way to beat Allen is to beat the guys around him. Specifically the O-Line. Find ways to get pressure with only 4 guys, leaving 7 in the secondary, and that's always a recipe for success. If you go back to last year, the common theme in our bad offensive games (Pittsburgh, Jacksonville, Indianapolis, New England) was a breakdown in the offensive line. Each of those games saw terrible pass blocking, and an inability to generate any push in the run game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: If someone figures it out, Bill Belichick wants to know as well...the greatest defensive mind in NFL history hasn't figured it out either, and he was the one who drew up the plan to slow down the Bills in the first Super Bowl when the K-Gun no huddle offense took the NFL by storm. He's got nothing for Allen. Probably why he went to visit him after their wildcard game...as a man with deep respect and knowledge of the NFL game all the way back to it's beginning he probably knows as well as anyone what Allen could become. Edited September 21, 2022 by Big Turk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Large Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 1 minute ago, buffalo2218 said: Couldn't agree more, but the Titans were selling out for the run most of the night. Even after Josh kept the death by 1000 cuts approach goin, they still acted like we had Jim Brown in his prime in our backfield I think the with this offense, you chose one thing to contain, and pray maybe the others are off. The fact that Allen can make any throw anywhere on the field with reasonable accuracy, even on the move, makes them nearly impossible stop. Reminds me of the Chiefs a few years back, Kelce, Hill, that RB i can recall his name... like to much speed, too many ways, with a QB who is a damn Wizard... and I think Allen is better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty98 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 I still think the most effective way to stop Allen is sit in cover 3 shells or combo coverage. Teams with athletic MLB can cause problems, if you have an athletic spy and play the lane game in pass rush you almost force Allen to run towards the middle of the field. I don't think you can effectively beat the offense, but making everything a play in front of you defense would "slow it down". As Allen's become more willing to check down and take what's given to him it's still going to be pick your poison death by a thousand cuts or try to blitz and hope you're not beat over the top once he gets away from the pressure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Don't let Allen off the bus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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