GR reporting both Tim Settle and Ed Oliver not practicing today

[boyst]

Im ok with them not practicing. I'm not ok with Lawson not playing. He and Phillips take this ***** personally because Lewan is a little B word and needs to be reminded of that constantly. 

[newcam2012]

2 hours ago, BuffaloMatt said:

When you settle you agree to something less than you want. I like Settle

Not always true. You can have a settlement than is more than you anticipated. 

[HOUSE]

I was just over on the Titans board and it appears the Bills are doomed without Ed Oliver.  The members there describe Oliver as the key to Buffalo's defense and apparently as good as Aaron Darnold. 

" I can't stress enough how important Ed Oliver is to Buffalo's defense " 

Of course they fail to mention they just lost their best pass rusher ( LB Harold Landry, 12 sacks in 2021) for the season with an ACL

Some pretty funny reading....

Edited September 15, 2022 by HOUSE

[RyanC883]

4 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Plus getting him and JPhillips back against Lewan is always a good time. I'm not against having Epenesa inactive and rotating Shaq in to be better against a run-heavy team. Could balance out losing Settle. Plus we still have DJones in the middle too.

 

 

 

 

when is this from??!!

[DrDawkinstein]

1 hour ago, RyanC883 said:

 

when is this from??!!

 

Right after the game in 2019. In Nashville, was PACKED with Bills fans. More so than even usual.

 

It was a hard fought game. JP had a great game. He and Lawson jawwed Lewan into 1 (maybe 2) bad drive-killing penalties, just ate his lunch all game. Pretty much won the game for us. And then when Lewan took to twitter later that day they didn't let it slide.

 

Love having these dudes back on the team.

[Sherlock Holmes]

8 hours ago, Gugny said:

I'm one of those weird bastards who actually spells out entire words.  

 

You should go real old school and not use contractions

5 hours ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

 

You have an unhealthy fascination with the man’s calves.  I hope for his sake it’s not sexual.   

What's wrong with that?

[Kwai San]

9 hours ago, RiotAct said:

Every time I’ve seen than acronym, it’s always either “Near Mint” or “Never Mind”.

 

As a seller of my extensive LP's and CD collection NM is near mint for me......just saying.

[stinky finger]

9 hours ago, Airseven said:

Obviously concerning news with Henry about to steam roll. But not much drop off from Settle to Bryant.

 
Let them run.

 

When you’re up 21 points who cares 

[Chandler#81]

7 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

It's gonna be Shaq time. He's very good vs the run. 

Settle & Oliver are DTs. Lawson is a DE. No idea what you mean.

[Richard Noggin]

4 hours ago, Gene1973 said:

So maybe Oliver does have a high ankle sprain...

There is actually ZERO evidence of this.

 

Him trying to go back in in the 2nd half last week, combined with him working off to the side, albeit gingerly, today = NOT a high ankle sprain. 

 

Get rekt.

[Sierra Foothills]

7 hours ago, BuffaloMatt said:

When you settle you agree to something less than you want. I like Settle

 

 

6 hours ago, WickedGame said:

This is a great thread about abbreviations. 

 

A word as long as abbreviations oughta... well, you know...

 

49 minutes ago, Kwai San said:

 

As a seller of my extensive LP's and CD collection NM is near mint for me......just saying.

 

NM = nonmetallic aka Romex

 

[Scott7975]

7 hours ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

 

You have an unhealthy fascination with the man’s calves.  I hope for his sake it’s not sexual.   

 

Some people like feet.  Some people like calves.

[cba fan]

who is GR ??

 

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, Chandler#81 said:

Settle & Oliver are DTs. Lawson is a DE. No idea what you mean.

Didn't think it was a complicated post. Maybe I'm wrong. I think Shaq will be activated on the D line vs the Titans because he's pretty good vs the run. With Settle and Oliver possible out, I think Shaq sees the field with his pass rushing and run stopping abilities. Regardless of DE or Dts positions.  Hope that helps. 

Edited September 15, 2022 by newcam2012

[Utah John]

When the schedule came out, with the Bills opening on Thursday and not playing again for 11 days, I thought it was too bad.  But if this gives Oliver a chance to heal, it will be a good break for the Bills.

[machine gun kelly]

Settle will be fine and so will Ed.  They are not injury prone, just it’s football.  Henry was not the reason we lost in 2020, it was AJ Brown and Tanny.  Last year Henry had 76 yards on one run, and 19 for 67.  D. Jones and J Phillips will be fine and they have days to heal up.

[stevewin]

15 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

At least we have DaQuan Jones....he's excellent in the middle.

 

I have a feeling Oliver plays but Settle is out. 

Yeah an ankle you can stabilize but a compression sleeve on a calf isn't going to do much when you are trying to push against 300+ men and stop the equivalent of a small car coming at you

[gjv]

If Oliver and Settle are not 100%, sit them. I rather have them miss one game than be less than 100% for many. 

[DCofNC]

18 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Not ideal....

 

Settle and his calf has me concerned.  Calf muscle are one of the hardest to heal.

Not to mention, you can’t rush it or you end up with a full cow, tricky stuff.

[RyanC883]

3 hours ago, stevewin said:

Yeah an ankle you can stabilize but a compression sleeve on a calf isn't going to do much when you are trying to push against 300+ men and stop the equivalent of a small car coming at you

 

I think he is wearing the compression sleeve to increase blood-flow to heal it quicker?  

 

Ideally we have one of these two back.  If not, we will need Lawson at DE, and have a LB over the DTs.  

 

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, RyanC883 said:

 

I think he is wearing the compression sleeve to increase blood-flow to heal it quicker?  

 

Ideally we have one of these two back.  If not, we will need Lawson at DE, and have a LB over the DTs.  

 

 

Yep.

[stevewin]

12 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

I think he is wearing the compression sleeve to increase blood-flow to heal it quicker?  

 

Ideally we have one of these two back.  If not, we will need Lawson at DE, and have a LB over the DTs.  

 

Yeah I was being somewhat facetious - point being there really is no way to 'stabilize' a calf like you can with an ankle

[richNjoisy]

Latest update (got this from One Bills Live (also on WGR) -  Settle and Oliver again did not practice today  (Thursday).  Also Dane Jackson

did not practice.  I have no additional information at this time.

 

 

Edited September 15, 2022 by richNjoisy
repeating entences

[WotAGuy]

6 minutes ago, richNjoisy said:

Latest update (got this from One Bills Live (also on WGR) -  Settle and Oliver again did not practice today  (Thursday).  Also Dane Jackson

did not practice.  I have no additional information at this time.

Latest update (got this from One Bills Live (also on WGR) -  Settle and Oliver again did not practice today  (Thursday).  Also Dane Jackson

did not practice.  I have no additional information at this time.

Latest update (got this from One Bills Live (also on WGR) -  Settle and Oliver again did not practice today  (Thursday).  Also Dane Jackson

did not practice.  I have no additional information at this time.

Latest update (got this from One Bills Live (also on WGR) -  Settle and Oliver again did not practice today  (Thursday).  Also Dane Jackson

did not practice.  I have no additional information at this time.

Latest update (got this from One Bills Live (also on WGR) -  Settle and Oliver again did not practice today  (Thursday).  Also Dane Jackson

did not practice.  I have no additional information at this time.

 

I didn’t get that - can you repeat it?

[TheBrownBear]

If these guys are borderline to play, then just continue to let them rest and heal up.  I've got to think Ed Oliver will be ready to go by Monday, but Settle, not so sure.

[Big Blitz]

28 minutes ago, richNjoisy said:

Latest update (got this from One Bills Live (also on WGR) -  Settle and Oliver again did not practice today  (Thursday).  Also Dane Jackson

did not practice.  I have no additional information at this time.

 

 

 

 

Dammit.  

 

See you at Miami.  Maybe.  

 

FYI their Oline is already falling apart - both tackles are hurt and might not play at Baltimore

 

Armstead can never stay on the field 

Edited September 15, 2022 by Big Blitz

[Gugny]

36 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

I didn’t get that - can you repeat it?

 

[Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD]

Good thing we have depth on the D-line. Let them heal up for a week and give Boogie more reps at DT. I'd rather not activate Prince Emili since I didn't think he looked impressive in preseason vs 3rd stringers.

[Hebert19]

I think 1 or both will play.  With the extra day they can afford to take it more cautious.  

[MarlinTheMagician]

EZ Ed should just rest up and spare his brain from hitting on big Derrick Henry.  We need him in the pass rush later in the year, happy to let the bigger boys bash on Henry.  Let's GO!

[nosejob]

I think if need be they need to move Shaq and Boogie inside. They can be creative and be fine. I'm also hoping they activate Bernard and run some 4-3 on early downs. I expect more get rid of the ball quick from Allen and perhaps Mckenzie gets some plays and YAC....set up the deep ball. They will need to keep Knox back to help block again, They always seem to be able to keep a fairly clean pocket when they do that. Who knows, do we see Shakir this week?

Edited September 15, 2022 by nosejob

[nosejob]

I 'm confident that Dorsey will adjust according to week to week opponents and I have been critical of Frazier doing the same. However, I'm hoping that they've finally evolved. He may be still committed to rushing 4 only and that's fine since we may be finally able to do it, but if we're down a man or 2 in the middle, we'll see how good of a D game plan McFrazier can put together. This week is obvious...stop Henry, force 3rd and longs. Get the picks.

 

I feel fairly confident that given Saffold's experience and familiarity along with Morse and Bates, as well as Qberry's input we can handle it....against Simmons that is.

Edited September 15, 2022 by nosejob

[Mr. WEO]

9 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Yep.

 

 

nah..

 

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9023423/

[Royale with Cheese]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

nah..

 

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9023423/

 

Dude this is one study.  You didn't answer the question of whether compression therapy works based on a study you found on the internet.  

I once saw a study that ice doesn't help with injuries.  Medical trained professionals know more about injuries than you but I don't think you believe that.  I tore my grown muscle years ago and I wore compression shorts based on what my doctor told me.  It wasn't just the healing part of it, it was a reminder that even though I don't feel discomfort anymore, I'm still not 100% and should still take it easy.

 

You argue anything just to argue.  

[Mr. WEO]

25 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Dude this is one study.  You didn't answer the question of whether compression therapy works based on a study you found on the internet.  

I once saw a study that ice doesn't help with injuries.  Medical trained professionals know more about injuries than you but I don't think you believe that.  I tore my grown muscle years ago and I wore compression shorts based on what my doctor told me.  It wasn't just the healing part of it, it was a reminder that even though I don't feel discomfort anymore, I'm still not 100% and should still take it easy.

 

You argue anything just to argue.  

 

You've GOT to be kidding!  You clearly didn't even read the article---it is literally a meta analysis of the published literature on this very topic.  Therefore it is not (quite laughably) "one study" but a summary analysis of 183 studies----and it's conclusions are easy to understand re: what the science of compression garments has yielded to this point, which is not much.

 

The main and consistent impact has been on wearer perception of effect.  Other than that,  pretty convincing evidence that such garments increase the skin temperature underneath them (like, you know, a garment would).

 

Since you couldn't be bothered to read past the title of the article, I'll answer your question with their conclusion demonstrated in the published data in this field as a whole (translated for you: "whether it works") and summarized in the conclusion of this meta analysis:

 

 "Despite the lack of consistent and clear evidence supporting compression garment use on cardiovascular, cardiorespiratory, and muscle damage and swelling measures, it should be noted that compression garments can increase skin temperature at the point of coverage, improve heat maintenance during and following exercise, and improve perceptions of muscle soreness and pain in the days following exercise.

 

But hey, if wearing you magic tightie whitie underpants makes you feel better because your doctor recommended them....well, be comforted that the article you couldn't wait NOT to read says there is no evidence of negative affect of wearing these things.  You should also know that doctors say a lot of stuff to get patients out of their office and off their answering service. 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

26 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

You've GOT to be kidding!  You clearly didn't even read the article---it is literally a meta analysis of the published literature on this very topic.  Therefore it is not (quite laughably) "one study" but a summary analysis of 183 studies----and it's conclusions are easy to understand re: what the science of compression garments has yielded to this point, which is not much.

 

The main and consistent impact has been on wearer perception of effect.  Other than that,  pretty convincing evidence that such garments increase the skin temperature underneath them (like, you know, a garment would).

 

Since you couldn't be bothered to read past the title of the article, I'll answer your question with their conclusion demonstrated in the published data in this field as a whole (translated for you: "whether it works") and summarized in the conclusion of this meta analysis:

 

 "Despite the lack of consistent and clear evidence supporting compression garment use on cardiovascular, cardiorespiratory, and muscle damage and swelling measures, it should be noted that compression garments can increase skin temperature at the point of coverage, improve heat maintenance during and following exercise, and improve perceptions of muscle soreness and pain in the days following exercise.

 

But hey, if wearing you magic tightie whitie underpants makes you feel better because your doctor recommended them....well, be comforted that the article you couldn't wait NOT to read says there is no evidence of negative affect of wearing these things.  You should also know that doctors say a lot of stuff to get patients out of their office and off their answering service. 

 

A lot of doctors recommended them.  If these studies are so conclusive, why isn’t this common with every doctor?  Why are team doctors not just discontinuing compression garments?  You know but they don’t?

 

Compression garments are worn in every major sport with teams that have team Doctors.  But you googled it and what you Google is conclusive!  Those doctors get the same information as me!

 

This doctor was my college team doctor.  

[Mr. WEO]

6 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

A lot of doctors recommended them.  If these studies are so conclusive, why isn’t this common with every doctor?  Why are team doctors not just discontinuing compression garments?  You know but they don’t?

 

Compression garments are worn in every major sport with teams that have team Doctors.  But you googled it and what you Google is conclusive!  Those doctors get the same information as me!

 

This doctor was my college team doctor.  

 

I'm not sure where to go next.  I provided you a summary of what has been published to date on the science of compression garments.    The results are easy to read and understand.  Every doctor who considers him or her self a specialist in this (sports medicine, for instance) is absolutely aware of this body of literature---they would have to be.   If you have found a meta analysis of all of the published literature on this topic that has a completely different conclusion  than the one I was able to find with ease---why don't you just link it?

 

Anyway, seeing as you don't have any scientific rebuttal, I'll move on to point out that you missed the most important conclusion of the the meta analysis--that wearing the garments give them the perception of less discomfort and faster recovery.  Literally, that's it.  

 

I've already told you why these things are used and why they are prescribed.  To help you further, I will give a personal example:  it is not uncommon after abdominal surgery, even laparoscopic surgery, for patients to ask for an abdominal binder to wear.  Obviously, it has nothing to do for their healing process or recovery but they are adamant that they feel it will help them.  Recognizing this, I write a script for one.  It's as simple as that.  This is magnified manyfold in sports medicine where you have people wearing "K tape" and such.  They are convinced it helps.  They have the perception that it helps them: heal, recover, get support...whatever.  The studies confirm the perception effect.  THAT is why your doctor prescribes these devices. The whole of the literature doesn't support any other significant effect from wearing them.

 

Pointing out a fallacy isn't "arguing just to argue".  It's the  correction of an incorrect claim.

 

 

 

 

[wppete]

10 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

Jimmy Two times. Great character. Also Frank Carbon. 

[aristocrat]

Ummm so are they playing or what?

[Coach Tuesday]

6 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Your arrogance is unreal.  You literally believe you found the conclusion of this topic based on what you found on google.  Wow.  Every study ever on this topic is published for us regular Joes to read can just be looked up on google?  Are you 100% sure that there hasn't been other studies from the 23,000 orthopedic doctors?

We both aren't doctors that performed these studies or doctors at all...you want to bring "scientific rebuttals" lol?  Dr. Copy and Paste right?

 

Does the study, from your same website, mean I'm right?  No, it's just another study.  Just like studies have shown eating eggs every day is healthy, some studies will say it's not.  But I get it, you're never wrong.  

 

Multiple Bills are wearing compression garments.  I guess our Team Medical Staff didn't google your article.

 

"Owners will never back down on the rules of marijuana use of NFL players." - Weo

"Babe Ruth never worked out" - Weo

"Money is always the #1 reason players will choose a team."

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6341249/

 

"Recent meta-analyses on compression garments have reported faster recovery of muscle function particularly after intense eccentric power or resistance exercise. However, due to the complex interaction between cohorts included, exercises involved and compression applied, recovery length and modalities, and outcome parameters selected, only limited practical recommendations can be drawn from these studies. Thus, our aim was to determine the effect of compression tights on recovery from high mechanical and metabolic stress monitored over a longer recovery period."

 

"Based on our results we recommend athletes wear compression tights for faster recovery, particularly after intense exercise with a pronounced eccentric aspect."

 

 

In addition to being irrelevant, this may be the most boring debate in TSW history and that’s saying something for those of us who lived through the @Doc vs. @WEO sludge matches… seriously compression sleeves??