BattlinBill Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 So we aren't getting Zach Ertz?🤔 1 19 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vtnatefootball11 Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 Am I the only one not super excited about paying Knox top 5 TE money? The market has already been inflated this offseason with Njoku signing and others. Knox is good and getting better, but still has significant weaknesses and is not near the difference maker of Kelce/Andrews/Pitts etc. I just don't see the value there for the Bills. If he gave us a good deal, sure lock him up, but not for top 5 TE money. I guess I'll wait to see all the contract details but Would have rather locked up Oliver long term and Poyer short term. I feel like we could have replaced Knox with an early round draft pick if needed. 1 5 6 1 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 7, 2022 Author Share Posted September 7, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, vtnatefootball11 said: Am I the only one not super excited about paying Knox top 5 TE money? The market has already been inflated this offseason with Njoku signing and others. Knox is good and getting better, but still has significant weaknesses and is not near the difference maker of Kelce/Andrews/Pitts etc. I just don't see the value there for the Bills. If he gave us a good deal, sure lock him up, but not for top 5 TE money. I guess I'll wait to see all the contract details but Would have rather locked up Oliver long term and Poyer short term. I feel like we could have replaced Knox with an early round draft pick if needed. Players are locked into extensions for their potential more than anything and his is elite when you look at his skill set, chemistry with Allen, and how he has developed at the position. He came in to the league very raw and this shows he is going to have a much bigger role going forward now that he’s proven he can produce. Edited September 7, 2022 by YoloinOhio 4 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 A lot of money for a guy who has never caught more than 49 passes in a season. This will pay him close to $300,000 per reception (based on last season). 6 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 Nice. I didn't think a deal would come quite yet but when I listened to his return presser after the tragedy of losing his brother, I honestly said, "There's no way this guy is going anywhere if the money is even close...he loves the organization and the community." 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: I decision on Gabe Davis does not need to be made until it's deadline of March 2024. Knox decision was needed a year earlier. Technically true, but when we win the SB this year and Gabe has a breakout year, he will want a new contract this offseason. And he isnt wrong to do so. Better to plan on it and be ready. (But I dont have the same amount of worry about any of it that the poster you were responding to does. Beane will get if done) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TC in St. Louis Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 I'm pretty sure this is set up to be cap friendly and allow flexibility moving forward. Knox deserves to be paid like other top flight tight ends. He's a great player, and I'm glad he's staying. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 Tom Sweeney tries really hard but all the money is gone now 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 Wow. I've never considered Knox a Top 5 Tight End. Still has issues with dropsies. But I'll trust Beane on this one. 5 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, vtnatefootball11 said: Am I the only one not super excited about paying Knox top 5 TE money? The market has already been inflated this offseason with Njoku signing and others. Knox is good and getting better, but still has significant weaknesses and is not near the difference maker of Kelce/Andrews/Pitts etc. I just don't see the value there for the Bills. If he gave us a good deal, sure lock him up, but not for top 5 TE money. I guess I'll wait to see all the contract details but Would have rather locked up Oliver long term and Poyer short term. I feel like we could have replaced Knox with an early round draft pick if needed. His target share is way, way lower than Kelce or Andrews. He was way more impactful than Pitts was last year (granted he was a rookie). This is a commitment to him getting a larger slice of the offense. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TC in St. Louis Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, Einstein said: A lot of money for a guy who has never caught more than 49 passes in a season. This will pay him close to $300,000 per reception (based on last season). First, they haven't announced the money yet. Secondly, he is one of the best, and to keep him they have to pay market value. Perhaps your issue should be the market value of tight ends....like Njoku. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Players are locked into extensions for their potential more than anything and his is elite when you look at his skill set, chemistry with Allen, and how he has developed at the position. He came in to the league very raw and this shows he is going to have a much bigger role going forward now that he’s proven he can produce. Yep. He's being paid based on his potential. Like NBA players. It's a gamble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 Hopefully getting paid like a top 5 TE means he’s gonna start getting targeted like a top 5 TE like he deserves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 Yes. Now don't rush into EO. See what if anything he brings this year first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Technically true, but when we win the SB this year and Gabe has a breakout year, he will want a new contract this offseason. And he isnt wrong to do so. Better to plan on it and be ready. (But I dont have the same amount of worry about any of it that the poster you were responding to does. Beane will get if done) If Davis has a big year, he could be a trade candidate next year. Two receivers and a TE making top money? If anyone can make it work, it's Beane. Will worry about it after winning the SB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Quint Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 For a guy that had like 20 catches prior to being drafted, what a great story and accomplishment. Big game for him tomorrow night. He's got alot to play for! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 7, 2022 Author Share Posted September 7, 2022 Just now, gobills404 said: Hopefully getting paid like a top 5 TE means he’s gonna start getting targeted like a top 5 TE like he deserves That’s probably the plan and they knew they had to get it done now before that happens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 Great news, I'm knoxed out by this 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Process said: If Davis has a big year, he could be a trade candidate next year. Two receivers and a TE making top money? If anyone can make it work, it's Beane. Will worry about it after winning the SB. RIght? Talk about a great problem to have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 (edited) Awesome news for Knox and well deserved. On another note...I've said this before, but I believe these extensions, plus the Edmunds extension, which is happening imo, are separate from each other. I know a lot of you are disappointed that a pro bowl, 4x captain will be staying, but... Edited September 7, 2022 by Dablitzkrieg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPL Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 I like this move. Now I just need to get my wife on board with naming our first born son Dawson Lawson 😂 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 10 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: $13-14M is totally affordable. Amazon and Apple money hasnt even kicked in yet. And will buy a very nice house in OP, which he apparently purchased one back in December. That tells me he knew what to expect, and the FO came thru as promised. Love that! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapeBreton Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 Glad they got in done now, he's probably going to have a big year. Would have been nice to get it done before the absurd Njoku contract though, stupid Cleveland definitely cost us some money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 13 minutes ago, Back2Buff said: Not a player I would have committed to. I still think its him or Gabe. Looks like Buffalo valued Knox more. We shall see, but my guess, he never lives up to contract. 🤦♂️He’s ALREADY a Top 5 TE! Jesus!😡 8 minutes ago, vtnatefootball11 said: Am I the only one not super excited about paying Knox top 5 TE money? The market has already been inflated this offseason with Njoku signing and others. Knox is good and getting better, but still has significant weaknesses and is not near the difference maker of Kelce/Andrews/Pitts etc. I just don't see the value there for the Bills. If he gave us a good deal, sure lock him up, but not for top 5 TE money. I guess I'll wait to see all the contract details but Would have rather locked up Oliver long term and Poyer short term. I feel like we could have replaced Knox with an early round draft pick if needed. Yes, you are the ONLY one. Congrats. 3 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcalbillsfan Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 Alot of non bills fans will poke fun at this amount of money but I think it's without question worth it. He's arguably one of if not the most physically gifted TE in the nfl, has only shown improvement every year. Proved he's a red zone monster already. Super young, young TEs rarely find success. Has built chemistry with Allen. You also make Allen happy with the front office, spending money on weapons for him. Not to mention our options to replace him would be the draft, the bust rate on TEs in the draft is scary, or kick the tires and over pay on an old FA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 27 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: This catch that was a thrown away ball is going to change the game between Josh and Knox. Now Josh knows exactly where to put that ball where no one else is catching it but Dawson. AMAZING catch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Einstein Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 1 minute ago, TC in St. Louis said: First, they haven't announced the money yet. The tweet mentions that the deal is expected to put him in the top 5 of TE's. We know what the top 5 makes. 1 minute ago, TC in St. Louis said: Secondly, he is one of the best Based on what? - 18th in TE receptions - 15th in TE yards - 22nd in TE yards per reception Only stat he is one of the best is tight end TD's. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vtnatefootball11 Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Players are locked into extensions for their potential more than anything and his is elite when you look at his skill set, chemistry with Allen, and how he has developed at the position. He came in to the league very raw and this shows he is going to have a much bigger role going forward now that he’s proven he can produce. I don't disagree that he has the potential to improve further I just don't see Knox as ever being an elite player (he certainly isn't close now). He is not the blocker that Kelce, Andrews and Kittle and will never be able to offer that all round TE package at an elite level. Even with the improvement in dropped balls, he will never be a Pitts or Waller as a receiver. If Allen wasn't his qb, he's probably an average starter on another team. I just don't see his ceiling as elite, and for top 5 TE money with the now inflated TE market, it better be. Hope I'm wrong, but particularly if this comes at the expense of losing Oliver, count me as skeptical. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Augie Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 1 minute ago, CapeBreton said: Glad they got in done now, he's probably going to have a big year. Would have been nice to get it done before the absurd Njoku contract though, stupid Cleveland definitely cost us some money. Cleveland is busy throwing kerosene on their own dumpster fire. Hoping the rest of the league isn’t stupid enough to use them as comps, despite what the agents will attempt to do. Even Russell Wilson didn’t get fully guaranteed QB money in Denver. The Browns are the outlier, not the trend setter, I hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 10 minutes ago, Einstein said: A lot of money for a guy who has never caught more than 49 passes in a season. This will pay him close to $300,000 per reception (based on last season). Did you ever stop to consider the possibility that Dorsey's offense could incorporate more TE concepts than Daboll's? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 This is such great news to start my day. On the football side, I'm thrilled. Our key offensive players are all now locked in for the foreseeable future. Having a franchise quarterback obviously comes first, but after that, it's important to protect him with a quality left tackle, and give him a legitimate #1 WR and a matchup-dictating TE. Allen has those things now, and he'll have them for the next four years, at least. Knox is sort of the Josh Allen of tight ends: incredibly physical traits and athleticism, lackluster college career. Like Allen, Knox was molded and coached up, and is now one of the best at his position in the league. Best of all, he's still ascending as a player. I don't think he's reached his ceiling yet. On the personal side, this is awesome for Dawson and his family. Obviously, nothing can erase the pain of what recently happened with Luke Knox. But having this newfound financial security is certainly a nice thing. 8 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 This thread is proof positive that the Bills will win the Superbowl, and some here would not be happy because Josh didn't get the MVP, and it went to Singletary instead. 3 2 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 Just now, ExWNYer said: Did you ever stop to consider the possibility that Dorsey's offense could incorporate more TE concepts than Daboll's? I'm not a big fan of giving players contracts that are nearly half a decade long and at top money, for the possibility that the new OC that has never called plays before might incorporate that player more. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Magox Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 12 minutes ago, Einstein said: A lot of money for a guy who has never caught more than 49 passes in a season. This will pay him close to $300,000 per reception (based on last season). So basically right in line with Tyreek Hills $ amount per reception. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 I'm thinking we see two Knox TDs tomorrow. +1600 on Fanduel 👀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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