ControllerOfPlanetX Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 8 minutes ago, without a drought said: Who is going to hold the ball on tee for kickoffs when it's windy out? The Bills score a lot, they kickoff way more than they punt and it's rather windy at highmark. yes, need a specialist for this and then add an onside kickoff specialist. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted August 21, 2022 Author Share Posted August 21, 2022 45 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: Delete your account #freeyourmind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 If Jimmy Haslam reads this thread, he might steal your idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 1 hour ago, BringBackFergy said: Food for thought. Our team is stacked and DEEEEP. We didn’t even have a chance to see Punt God hold for Bass much under pressure. Aren’t we all hoping to have a guy that can hold the ball properly when the game is on the line? Keep Bass - Obviously Keep Araiza - 78 yd punts. Obviously. Keep Haack - FG Holder Specialist It’s never been done (to my knowledge) but well worth it. Fire away. No freaking way, cut the guy ASAP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted August 21, 2022 Author Share Posted August 21, 2022 9 minutes ago, 17islongenough said: The only way that would happen is if they kept Haack for pinning situations and Ariza for booming situations. Still a terrible idea I’m not suggesting we keep two punters. I’m saying we need a kicker (Bass), punter (Araiza) and Designated Holder (Haack). Continuity between Bass and Haack is worth at least 24-27 pts this season. I’ll hang up and listen. 1 hour ago, Stickybandit716 said: He held for bass on the gwfg last week, there’s really zero need for both of them So you want to depend on a rookie from San Diego to hold the ball for Bass with the AFC Championship on the line (possibly in sub zero temps at OP)? Dig deep into your mind. Think again. It’s worth 650k to have a designated holder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mc1320 Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 No one has ever wasted a roster spot exclusively for a holder in the history of the NFL you jackwagon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bob in STL Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 1 hour ago, BringBackFergy said: Food for thought. Our team is stacked and DEEEEP. We didn’t even have a chance to see Punt God hold for Bass much under pressure. Aren’t we all hoping to have a guy that can hold the ball properly when the game is on the line? Keep Bass - Obviously Keep Araiza - 78 yd punts. Obviously. Keep Haack - FG Holder Specialist It’s never been done (to my knowledge) but well worth it. Fire away. I seriously doubt they keep Haack as a holder. I sure liked the days when QB2 was the holder on most teams. Much better to pull off a fake to have a QB at holder. Maybe Keenan can be a back up holder? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 There is too much football player talent they need to cut to waste one more spot on a ST specialist… particularly that specialized … Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 2 hours ago, BringBackFergy said: Food for thought. Our team is stacked and DEEEEP. We didn’t even have a chance to see Punt God hold for Bass much under pressure. Aren’t we all hoping to have a guy that can hold the ball properly when the game is on the line? Keep Bass - Obviously Keep Araiza - 78 yd punts. Obviously. Keep Haack - FG Holder Specialist It’s never been done (to my knowledge) but well worth it. Fire away. I agree. Just think of the possibilities. Allen stalls on offense inside our own 30. You send your punt crew out there. Both Haack AND Araiza are back there at the same time. Now the receiving team has to send our multiple returners at different distances about 60 yards apart because they don’t know who’s going to actually punt it. Then, all of the sudden, Punt God throws a 30 yard pass to Jake Kumerow who is streaking down the right sideline. He catches it and makes 2 moves and ends up trotting into the end zone for a TD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Foothills Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 All I know is Hodgins must stay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 For what purpose? Araiza has been fine on all his holds. This is one of the dumbest ideas I have ever heard and on this board that's saying something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Foothills Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 Re-calibrate sarcasm meters in 3-2-1... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 2 hours ago, BringBackFergy said: Food for thought. Our team is stacked and DEEEEP. We didn’t even have a chance to see Punt God hold for Bass much under pressure. Aren’t we all hoping to have a guy that can hold the ball properly when the game is on the line? Keep Bass - Obviously Keep Araiza - 78 yd punts. Obviously. Keep Haack - FG Holder Specialist It’s never been done (to my knowledge) but well worth it. Fire away. A backup long snapper on a team friendly contract would round out the picture. I say GO FOR IT! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stickybandit716 Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 1 hour ago, BringBackFergy said: I’m not suggesting we keep two punters. I’m saying we need a kicker (Bass), punter (Araiza) and Designated Holder (Haack). Continuity between Bass and Haack is worth at least 24-27 pts this season. I’ll hang up and listen. So you want to depend on a rookie from San Diego to hold the ball for Bass with the AFC Championship on the line (possibly in sub zero temps at OP)? Dig deep into your mind. Think again. It’s worth 650k to have a designated holder. Read the room fool 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 I'm guessing this is an attention seeking post because the suggestion is just so.. yea.. that it seems unlikely that someone would ever suggest it unless they were teeing it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 2 hours ago, BringBackFergy said: Food for thought. Our team is stacked and DEEEEP. We didn’t even have a chance to see Punt God hold for Bass much under pressure. Aren’t we all hoping to have a guy that can hold the ball properly when the game is on the line? Keep Bass - Obviously Keep Araiza - 78 yd punts. Obviously. Keep Haack - FG Holder Specialist It’s never been done (to my knowledge) but well worth it. Fire away. I smell what you're grillin'! We need a left-foot too! How deeeep is that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikuman Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 (edited) Hold on, guys...OP may be on to something here. You know how kickers hate frozen footballs, right? In addition to holding for that kick during sub-zero temps in the AFC championship game, Haack could keep the balls warm by sticking them down his pants until they're ready for the field goal attempt. Then we're actually saving money because we get a designated holder AND ball warmer for $650k. Edited August 21, 2022 by nikuman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 35 minutes ago, Big Turk said: For what purpose? Araiza has been fine on all his holds. This is one of the dumbest ideas I have ever heard and on this board that's saying something I haven’t seen any issues with Ariza’s holds, if he was really really struggling with holding I would get the sentiment (although it is still a bad idea) but the punt god has at the very least been solid as a holder and he will probably get better considering he will only get more experienced at doing it as he gets more holding opportunities in practice and in games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 To much alcohol can cause people to say things that they otherwise would consider to be…, shall we say silly , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted August 21, 2022 Author Share Posted August 21, 2022 2 hours ago, Mc1320 said: No one has ever wasted a roster spot exclusively for a holder in the history of the NFL you jackwagon. How boring it must be to go through life never trying something new. 1 hour ago, Big Turk said: For what purpose? Araiza has been fine on all his holds. This is one of the dumbest ideas I have ever heard and on this board that's saying something Hold on. It was eight short years ago when Wrecks Ryan kept a “kickoff specialist” on this team…and Ryan knows a lot more about football than you. I would argue a “holding specialist” is equally (if not more) important and worthy of a roster spot for a stacked team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 I will say, I love that there is a multiple page thread on the holder, after the presumptive starting punter/holder has done a good job. Sign of a deep roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Foothills Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 25 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said: It was eight short years ago when Wrecks Ryan kept a “kickoff specialist” on this team…and Ryan knows a lot more about football than you. I would argue a “holding specialist” is equally (if not more) important and worthy of a roster spot for a stacked team. And before that Bills Head Coach Wade Phillips employed Chris Watson as a "Punt Catcher." It's sad that the younger members of the community have such disdain for the history and knowledge that the older members possess. A lot of our members here should read more (particularly from people like yourself) and post less. They might learn a thing or two. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 4 hours ago, chongli said: Agreed. Plus, the Bills actually had two punters and one kicker in 2015 and 2016: Dan Carpenter (K) for field goals Jordan Gay (P) for kick-offs Colton Schmidt (P) for punts In Rex's defense, he was/is an idiot. 12 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said: And before that Bills Head Coach Wade Phillips employed Chris Watson as a "Punt Catcher." It's sad that the younger members of the community have such disdain for the history and knowledge that the older members possess. A lot of our members here should read more (particularly from people like yourself) and post less. They might learn a thing or two. Great defensive coordinator. Mediocre head coach. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 1 hour ago, ExiledInIllinois said: I smell what you're grillin'! We need a left-foot too! How deeeep is that! You made me think of an interesting situation. If Bass was hurt (assuming leg injury), would he still play and hold for Ariaza? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 5 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I’ll revolt if we keep Tawain Jones over either. Start sharpening your pitchfork. That's exactly what will happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 5 hours ago, BringBackFergy said: Food for thought. Our team is stacked and DEEEEP. We didn’t even have a chance to see Punt God hold for Bass much under pressure. Aren’t we all hoping to have a guy that can hold the ball properly when the game is on the line? Keep Bass - Obviously Keep Araiza - 78 yd punts. Obviously. Keep Haack - FG Holder Specialist It’s never been done (to my knowledge) but well worth it. Fire away. Will never happen, roster spots are way to valuable to keep a place holder, the Bills would prefer to keep an extra WR OR DE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 2 hours ago, BringBackFergy said: How boring it must be to go through life never trying something new. Hold on. It was eight short years ago when Wrecks Ryan kept a “kickoff specialist” on this team…and Ryan knows a lot more about football than you. I would argue a “holding specialist” is equally (if not more) important and worthy of a roster spot for a stacked team. Don’t forget that McDermott absolutely loves his special teams aces. Haack is 100% a holding ACE. It’s why we picked him up last year to become with. We sure don’t want to be like the Packers this past year and losing games because Bojo couldn’t hold. 1 hour ago, Sierra Foothills said: And before that Bills Head Coach Wade Phillips employed Chris Watson as a "Punt Catcher." It's sad that the younger members of the community have such disdain for the history and knowledge that the older members possess. A lot of our members here should read more (particularly from people like yourself) and post less. They might learn a thing or two. Way too many young kids that think they know everything here. They don’t realize that guys like you and Fergie have been around the block for years. They’ll never understand it either. Just sad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 (edited) No holding specialist. The 10 yard penalties will cripple the offense. Edited August 21, 2022 by Irv 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 31 minutes ago, Irv said: No holding specialist. The 10 yard penalties will cripple the offense. Took me a second. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 9 hours ago, without a drought said: Who is going to hold the ball on tee for kickoffs when it's windy out? The Bills score a lot, they kickoff way more than they punt and it's rather windy at highmark. Illegal use of thread to push domed stadium agenda. Loss of post, repeat 3rd down. 6 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said: And before that Bills Head Coach Wade Phillips employed Chris Watson as a "Punt Catcher." Looking back, I think there were years the Bills had designated 'Punt Droppers'. 🙁 6 hours ago, The Wiz said: You made me think of an interesting situation. If Bass was hurt (assuming leg injury), would he still play and hold for Ariaza? Does 'ego' count as an injury? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsatlastin2018 Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 10 hours ago, chongli said: Agreed. Plus, the Bills actually had two punters and one kicker in 2015 and 2016: Dan Carpenter (K) for field goals Jordan Gay (P) for kick-offs Colton Schmidt (P) for punts Actually, they had NONE! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted August 21, 2022 Author Share Posted August 21, 2022 6 hours ago, mrags said: Don’t forget that McDermott absolutely loves his special teams aces. Haack is 100% a holding ACE. It’s why we picked him up last year to become with. We sure don’t want to be like the Packers this past year and losing games because Bojo couldn’t hold By keeping Haack, not only are we assuring consistent ball placement for Bass in all kinds of weather, but the kicking room currently has great chemistry (the three of them work well together during kicking meetings). Why cut Haack when some other big bodied dufus will never see the field? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 15 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said: ...when some other big bodied dufus will never see the field? Words CAN hurt...🤨 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 (edited) 35 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said: By keeping Haack, not only are we assuring consistent ball placement for Bass in all kinds of weather, but the kicking room currently has great chemistry (the three of them work well together during kicking meetings). Why cut Haack when some other big bodied dufus will never see the field? I just like up thread where you say it could net us 24-27 points. I don’t think bass misses 8 FG all season so that number is off. We might need that big doofus in case another doofus gets injured. To save maybe 12-15 points on the high side (he missed 6 FG and 2 XP with Bojo as his holder and 4 FG with Haack). Edited August 21, 2022 by YattaOkasan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILBillsfan Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 13 hours ago, BringBackFergy said: Food for thought. Our team is stacked and DEEEEP. We didn’t even have a chance to see Punt God hold for Bass much under pressure. Aren’t we all hoping to have a guy that can hold the ball properly when the game is on the line? Keep Bass - Obviously Keep Araiza - 78 yd punts. Obviously. Keep Haack - FG Holder Specialist It’s never been done (to my knowledge) but well worth it. Fire away. Araiza held every one of the XP attempts Saturday, hard pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BuffaloBill Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 I think th OP like to hold his balls. He therefore thinks it’s a special skill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your Brown Eye Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 Maybe while we are at it, since it's never been done before (lol), we can keep a player just as a "holding the football on the kickoff-tee on windy days specialist" lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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