Jordan Poyer: a guess @ his new contract.

[JerseyBills]

19 minutes ago, beerme1 said:

 

 

Well I'm half with you. I just cant see us paying and overpaying Edmunds, but Eddie, he's going to get paid rather handsomely on his next deal from us. I think he's going to have a balls out year and will get rewarded. Edmunds, I'm one of the meh people I guess. I'd keep him at a reasonable deal but that probably isn't what he has in mind. Let him play it out.

 

Poyer, I can see McBeane trading before the season. Unlike Edmunds with us just letting him play it out, I don't see that with Justin due to his age. I love Poyer but have 100% trust and faith with what McBeane does with his situation. I can honestly admit I'll miss Rachel though.

And McDs scheme is very DB friendly.  But the only way we let a player like him walk, is if we have a great replacement.  We'll see. We got him this year!

[0017]

17 hours ago, Beast said:

Let some other team pay him. Time to get younger on the back end.

“Younger on the back end” is always the goal!! 😂

[Airseven]

My guess is no new contract. One more year and done. Best for both parties.

[beerme1]

8 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

And McDs scheme is very DB friendly.  But the only way we let a player like him walk, is if we have a great replacement.  We'll see. We got him this year!

 

Sorry I just can't see us paying Edmunds what the market will pay him. He'd have to give up 30% or something of the market rate and I don't think that's likely. 

Beane's done a masterful job of keeping guys but you can't keep everyone every year. Harry was this years sacrifice. Edmunds is next years. And we need to get used to that.

[uticaclub]

5 hours ago, beerme1 said:

 

Sorry I just can't see us paying Edmunds what the market will pay him. He'd have to give up 30% or something of the market rate and I don't think that's likely. 

Beane's done a masterful job of keeping guys but you can't keep everyone every year. Harry was this years sacrifice. Edmunds is next years. And we need to get used to that.

Harry couldn't stay on the field, was soft against the run and didn't do much to pressure the QB. He was GREAT for the community, genuine good guy but barely noticeable on gamedays

[RocCityRoller]

At most I see Poyer extended one year. Really surprised OBD passed on a number of good prospects in what was a deep S draft. Age is catching up with the S position. The great teams tend to let a guy go a year early rather than a year late. Regardless, Poyer is here this year. At worst he is auditioning for a 1-2 yr vet deal to latch on with another contender after a solid 2022.

 

With a $250M QB, we are going to see shuffling of personnel. OBD has to have a good succession plan in place for these situations. Maybe it is a newer reality for the team and they are starting to prepare for it in upcoming draft/ FA periods?

[Doc Brown]

It's possible to extend both Poyer and Hide through 2024 and frontload their contracts.  Then you can back load the contracts of whatever young players they wish to keep past their rookie deal (Edmunds, Oliver, Knox) if need be as the salary cap should go up significantly by the time 2024 rolls around.

[MarkyMannn]

29 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

It's possible to extend both Poyer and Hide through 2024 and frontload their contracts.  Then you can back load the contracts of whatever young players they wish to keep past their rookie deal (Edmunds, Oliver, Knox) if need be as the salary cap should go up significantly by the time 2024 rolls around.

No player wants a back loaded contract. Everyone wants it guaranteed and up front

[Doc Brown]

27 minutes ago, MarkyMannn said:

No player wants a back loaded contract. Everyone wants it guaranteed and up front

There's ways around that where you can give players a significant amount of money early on while maintaining a minimum cap hit.  Beane better pay his accountants overtime.

[unbillievable]

After what the Rams did, I think it's possible to give everyone $20mil/yr contracts.

4 hours ago, MarkyMannn said:

No player wants a back loaded contract. Everyone wants it guaranteed and up front

 

Players should tie their money to cap inflation. Why hasn't anyone thought about asking for %10 of the cap, rather than $20mil/yr?

 

4 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

It's possible to extend both Poyer and Hide through 2024 and frontload their contracts.  Then you can back load the contracts of whatever young players they wish to keep past their rookie deal (Edmunds, Oliver, Knox) if need be as the salary cap should go up significantly by the time 2024 rolls around.

 

[Southern Bills Fan]

On 6/16/2022 at 9:29 AM, mjt328 said:

 

This is exactly the problem.

 

I'm sure the Bills would love to keep Jordan Poyer, and he certainly deserves the extension.  But the timing on expiring contracts is going to force us into making some really tough decisions.  And no matter which way you look at it, Poyer seems to be one of the odd men out.

 

Considering age?  Out of the guys coming up, Poyer is the second oldest guy on the list. 

Team value?  Sean McDermott seems to prioritize the D-Line first, and secondary after.

While the other guys were drafted/developed, both of our safeties were found (fairly cheap) in free agency.

 

Not to mention, based on the agent change and his wife's comments, it really sounds like he's seeking top safety money.  No hometown discounts.

 

I think you’re right on. The timing won’t work out with all the younger players needing contracts and Josh’s deal kicking in. Would love to keep him but we can’t keep everyone. 

[beerme1]

8 hours ago, uticaclub said:

Harry couldn't stay on the field, was soft against the run and didn't do much to pressure the QB. He was GREAT for the community, genuine good guy but barely noticeable on gamedays

Sure, but you can't say his last year wasn't his best and you can't predict the future with guys despite their past. Well, some guys lol.

[MarkyMannn]

15 hours ago, unbillievable said:

Players should tie their money to cap inflation. Why hasn't anyone thought about asking for %10 of the cap, rather than $20mil/yr?

Good point, I've had this thought too

[uticaclub]

16 hours ago, beerme1 said:

Sure, but you can't say his last year wasn't his best and you can't predict the future with guys despite their past. Well, some guys lol.

His last year was certainly his best, which wasnt anything special. He was easily replaceable, glad he got pay day with the Vikings, but I wont miss him.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

On 6/17/2022 at 1:41 AM, Airseven said:

My guess is no new contract. One more year and done. Best for both parties.

Or they give him a little bump this year to make him happy. 
 

Hes 31, not exactly ancient for a SS. I think at the end of the day he’ll get a 2 year extension maybe longer to keep his cap hit down.

[Chandler#81]

My guess is he won’t be happy with the Bills final, ‘take it or leave it’ offer. No offense, Jordan, but we’re simply not financially positioned to pay you top $$. You may well get it from another team, but Knox and very likely Tremaine will eat up what FA dollar$ we’ll have..

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

On 6/17/2022 at 1:41 AM, Airseven said:

My guess is no new contract. One more year and done. Best for both parties.

100% agree. Old horses get out out to pasture.

[Fan in Chicago]

On 6/17/2022 at 12:41 AM, Airseven said:

My guess is no new contract. One more year and done. Best for both parties.

I agree too. Such are the decisions when you have a premium QB on the team. Let him play this year out and get younger/cheaper next year at that position. 

 

Further significant spends need to be on the OL and WR. 

[ExWNYer]

On 6/16/2022 at 5:46 PM, Freddie's Dead said:

 

 

[97bills]

On 6/16/2022 at 6:37 AM, Back2Buff said:

His current deal.  If he doesn't like it, he doesn't have to play.

 

You don't sign a 31 year old safety to top dollar, especially a guy who at one point thought would never play again.

 

Poyer has one unbelievable year and turns into a diva.  Guy was a straight disaster in that KC game.

 

Bills need to get younger at safety anyways.  This should be the last year of Hyde and Poyer.  Hyde can mentor Poyers replacement next year.

Hard to argue that- those to great safeties looked like pop Warner against hill and kelce every time we play them in the playoffs. 

[ExWNYer]

31 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said:

I agree too. Such are the decisions when you have a premium QB on the team. Let him play this year out and get younger/cheaper next year at that position. 

 

Further significant spends need to be on the OL and WR. 

 

^^^

This. With championship caliber rosters come tough decisions. As has been stated previously by others, there are a lot of young, talented players coming due for new contracts soon. Poyer is at the bottom or near the bottom of the money list, IMO. Have loved his play over the years but it's not prudent to pay him what he wants at this point. Get your ring and then try to get your money elsewhere next year, Jordan.

Edited June 19, 2022 by ExWNYer

[BruceVilanch]

I might be in the minority and haven't read all the responses but I'm good with him playing this year and going our separate ways. He's been a stud but I don't want to get into the habit of paying top$ to 30+ safeties. Love his game and what he brings

[RocCityRoller]

On 6/18/2022 at 2:55 PM, uticaclub said:

His last year was certainly his best, which wasnt anything special. He was easily replaceable, glad he got pay day with the Vikings, but I wont miss him.

 

I think Settle is going to do what they wanted Harrison Phillips to do on a more regular footing.

 

Horrible Harry is a heck of a teammate and good guy in general from all accounts. Just hard to slate him for x productivity over y games. I hope he does well in Minnesota.

[benderbender]

4 hours ago, BruceVilanch said:

I might be in the minority and haven't read all the responses but I'm good with him playing this year and going our separate ways. He's been a stud but I don't want to get into the habit of paying top$ to 30+ safeties. Love his game and what he brings

Poyer to me is Five Guys 2022. I love Five Guys. I was more than willing to pay $22 for two people at Five Guys which was expensive at the time. I am not willing to pay $35 for two burgers, a fry, and a drink. Doesn't mean I don't love Five Guys. Not pleased to look for other options, but they're not going to give us a discount. 

[machine gun kelly]

My feeling is Poyer wants what several have stated as in 35$ mil. pver

two years or long deal.  
 

My guess is Beane offers $45 mil. over 3 years, and 17 guaranteed, but the third is easy to void so it’s really over 2 maybe $22.  They’ll say no and he walks.  He probably wants a contract more than a ring so he’ll be playing for the huge deal for the ring this year.  That’s fine with me  as I’m fine with him one more year.  He won’t be easy at all to replace.  
 

It’s so easy to say let’s just get younger.  It’s not just the athleticism, it’s the skill and knowledge that tandem that makes them if not the best, one of the best safety tandems in the league.

 

some people seem to think it’s just so easy to be the best secondary in the league.  We are the best secondary if you look at the numbers in the league.  By talent, Miami should be better than us but they weren’t.  Now with Elam, Taron, Tre once healthy and the Dr. Poyer and Mr. Hyde are a force.

[Hebert19]

Guess we will be without poyer next year.  Wow. 

 

19.1M a season(for Derwin James).  Poyer will want way too much. 

[SWATeam]

It’s time to transition to the young guys we’ve been developing IMO

[Buffalo_Stampede]

5 minutes ago, Hebert19 said:

Guess we will be without poyer next year.  Wow. 

 

19.1M a season(for Derwin James).  Poyer will want way too much. 

Poyer and James is like comparing Matt Ryan to Josh Allen. They aren’t comparable.

[DrDawkinstein]

5 minutes ago, Hebert19 said:

Guess we will be without poyer next year.  Wow. 

 

19.1M a season(for Derwin James).  Poyer will want way too much. 

 

James is only 26. Totally different approaches.

 

It may have a small affect on what Poyer is looking for, but I dont think he'll try to get comparative compensation.

[thenorthremembers]

4 minutes ago, Hebert19 said:

Guess we will be without poyer next year.  Wow. 

 

19.1M a season(for Derwin James).  Poyer will want way too much. 

Derwin James is 26 years old and in the prime of his career.    Think he will be looking around the average of what Harrison Smith and Quandre Diggs signed for as they are closer to his age at signing.   Given the normalization for the higher cap, that still puts his salary around 15-16 Million a year.   Love Poyer but no way I am signing a 31 or 32 year old safety for that type of money on the cap. 

[SCBills]

I think we need to come to terms with the likely outcome that Poyer plays out this year and walks in the offseason.  

 

We can't pay him anywhere close to what some of these guys are getting, and keep Oliver/Knox.  I don't even know if we can keep Edmunds, let alone Poyer.  

 

I get that James situation is different than Poyer's due to age, but I just don't see how we can give him much of any bump in pay and still manage the cap effectively. 

 

I saw a mock draft this morning that had us taking Jordan Battle (S) Alabama in RD1 and an IOL from Georgia in RD2.  Makes perfect sense to me..  Draft Poyer and Saffold's replacements and get Bernard ready to take over for either Edmunds leaving in FA or a trade of Milano to afford Edmunds. 

 

 

Edited August 17, 2022 by SCBills

[Buffalosouth]

He isn't getting 15 million per. 

[billieve420]

Team may adjust contract this year for Poyer to keep him happy. However, I agree either Hyde or Poyer won't be here next year. I can't see paying 2 safeties premium money now that Josh is no longer on his rookie deal. 

[TBBills]

Another season of we can't keep so and so... then all the sudden we keep them.

[SCBills]

2 minutes ago, TBBills said:

Another season of we can't keep so and so... then all the sudden we keep them.

 

Josh Allen cap hit '22 = $16M

 

Josh Allen cap hit '23 = $40M

 

Von Miller cap hit '22 = $5M

 

Von Miller cap hit '23 = $18M

 

Stefon Diggs cap hit '22 = $12M

 

Stefon Diggs cap hit '23 = $20M

 

Superstars cost money

[DrDawkinstein]

3 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

Josh Allen cap hit '22 = $16M

 

Josh Allen cap hit '23 = $40M

 

Von Miller cap hit '22 = $5M

 

Von Miller cap hit '23 = $18M

 

Stefon Diggs cap hit '22 = $12M

 

Stefon Diggs cap hit '23 = $20M

 

Superstars cost money

 

The good news is that Apple and Amazon money will be hitting soon and bumping up the cap bigly.

[dpberr]

I don't think the Bills have a strong desire to do anything with his contract, and they probably won't do anything with it. 

 

They will run out the clock until the season stars and say "our focus is on football, we'll discuss this after the season concludes."

 

 

[SCBills]

Just now, DrDawkinstein said:

 

The good news is that Apple and Amazon money will be hitting soon and bumping up the cap bigly.

 

Agreed.. that will help for sure.  We also have Oliver and Davis long term deals coming up as well.  

 

Great news is that the Bills FO kills it in the middle-late rounds of the draft.  The track record is becoming undeniable.  Getting guys like Davis, Benford, Shakir etc., on Day 3, is how you stay a contender while keeping most of your stars.  

 

I'd love to keep Poyer and Edmunds, but I just don't know how a team with the talent we have, and the QB we have, is able to allocate so much money positionally to the linebacker and safety positions.  Maybe I'm wrong and they re-sign everyone, but I'm prepared to have this be the last season we see Poyer in a Bills uniform.  I legitimately have no idea what we will do with Edmunds in the offseason and/or how that may relate to Milano, if at all. 

[machine gun kelly]

5 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

The good news is that Apple and Amazon money will be hitting soon and bumping up the cap bigly.

Dawk, I’m glad you said it first as we can’t imagine what the cap is going to over the next poem of years.  It’s eye popping.

 

I hate losing Poyer, but I don’t see other teams next year paying him$16+ mil. At 32 at Safety.

 

Bernard was drafted to take over Edmunds next year.  Bedford is a surprise depth CB.  We have some solid backup safeties and we’ll probably use a high pick next year at Safety.  It wouldn’t surprise me.

 

The Guy most likely over the next 2 years are Knox, Davis, and Oliver.

[Greg S]

Both Poyer and Hyde are 31 and 32. At some point soon the Bills will have to look to get younger. Next year's draft will tell a lot if Beane goes for secondary help early in the draft.