Is Joe Brady on the staff in case Ken Dorsey flubs it?

[Utah John]

Ken Dorsey looks like a bright young guy who has never had the responsibility to call plays during a game.  He got the OC job at least in part because Josh Allen made it clear that's who he wanted, but that doesn't mean Dorsey really knows what he's doing.  We all saw Daboll confusing defenses with his schemes, route trees, and play calls, but DCs in the AFC will have spent hours this year figuring out how to stop Daboll's schemes.  Dorsey will need to come up with brand new twists for the Bills offense to return to its powerful state of late last year.

 

Joe Brady is a former OC at Carolina and was on a fast-track career progression until Carolina crashed and burned last year, with Brady taking the fall for not working miracles with Darnold at QB and no CMC at RB.  Brady is saying all the right things about working for Dorsey, but Brady's resume is actually much better than Dorsey's, except for the Allen relationship.

 

The Bills' early schedule this year is pretty rough.  I'm hoping as we all are that they crush that early schedule, cruise on through the rest of the year, get the top seed, etc.  But they still have to play the games.  Just wondering if anyone else has noticed that McDermott has a Dorsey replacement right there on staff, ready to go, if the Bills offense struggles through September and into October.

[Bangarang]

Dorsey isn’t getting fired a month into the season. 
 

Brady is likely the OC in waiting for when Dorsey is hired to be a HC. 

[Utah John]

3 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

Dorsey isn’t getting fired a month into the season. 
 

Brady is likely the OC in waiting for when Dorsey is hired to be a HC. 

And that would be just fine with me.

[JohnNord]

3 minutes ago, Utah John said:

Ken Dorsey looks like a bright young guy who has never had the responsibility to call plays during a game.  He got the OC job at least in part because Josh Allen made it clear that's who he wanted, but that doesn't mean Dorsey really knows what he's doing.  We all saw Daboll confusing defenses with his schemes, route trees, and play calls, but DCs in the AFC will have spent hours this year figuring out how to stop Daboll's schemes.  Dorsey will need to come up with brand new twists for the Bills offense to return to its powerful state of late last year.

 

Joe Brady is a former OC at Carolina and was on a fast-track career progression until Carolina crashed and burned last year, with Brady taking the fall for not working miracles with Darnold at QB and no CMC at RB.  Brady is saying all the right things about working for Dorsey, but Brady's resume is actually much better than Dorsey's, except for the Allen relationship.

 

The Bills' early schedule this year is pretty rough.  I'm hoping as we all are that they crush that early schedule, cruise on through the rest of the year, get the top seed, etc.  But they still have to play the games.  Just wondering if anyone else has noticed that McDermott has a Dorsey replacement right there on staff, ready to go, if the Bills offense struggles through September and into October.

I don’t think so… Dorsey reportedly was close to signing with NYG as their OC w/ Daboll.  They likely had to pay a little more to get Dorsey to stay.  If the Bills were so unsure about him at OC that they had a backup plan, I think they let him walk.

 

I they signed Brady because his stock was low from getting fired in Carolina.  He probably wasn’t going to a find another OC position this season, so he took a lower position that would give him the best chance for a promotion.  I don’t think Brady will be in Buffalo for long

[NewEra]

He’s on the team because some deem him a good offensive mind and McD thinks he can help our team.  He helped Joe Burrow transform into a superstar.  He’s a good candidate to replace Dorsey as OC if/when Dorsey is named a HC or is fired. 

[3rdnlng]

23 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

I don’t think so… Dorsey reportedly was close to signing with NYG as their OC w/ Daboll.  They likely had to pay a little more to get Dorsey to stay.  If the Bills were so unsure about him at OC that they had a backup plan, I think they let him walk.

 

I they signed Brady because his stock was low from getting fired in Carolina.  He probably wasn’t going to a find another OC position this season, so he took a lower position that would give him the best chance for a promotion.  I don’t think Brady will be in Buffalo for long

So, Dorsey is looking to move up the ladder so that one day he becomes a head coach and he chooses the Giants and what's his name over Allen and the Bills? 

[Big Turk]

Bills MO is to stack quality people organizationally so that when one leaves or gets a promotion somewhere they have an in-house candidate ready to replace them.

 

Front office has thrived despite numerous people getting promotions and leaving due to this and coaching staff will be no different.

[syhuang]

32 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

I don’t think so… Dorsey reportedly was close to signing with NYG as their OC w/ Daboll.  They likely had to pay a little more to get Dorsey to stay.  If the Bills were so unsure about him at OC that they had a backup plan, I think they let him walk.

 

Please don't get me wrong and it's not that I don't believe you since there were rumors about Dorsey might go with Daboll. However, I don't recall any creditable source or rumor about Dorsey "close to" sign with NYG. Can you please share the link to it?

[BADOLBILZ]

59 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

I don’t think so… Dorsey reportedly was close to signing with NYG as their OC w/ Daboll.  They likely had to pay a little more to get Dorsey to stay.  If the Bills were so unsure about him at OC that they had a backup plan, I think they let him walk.

 

I they signed Brady because his stock was low from getting fired in Carolina.  He probably wasn’t going to a find another OC position this season, so he took a lower position that would give him the best chance for a promotion.  I don’t think Brady will be in Buffalo for long

 

Yeah he wasn't getting another NFL OC job this soon.   He could have had his pick of a lot of top college OC jobs and gotten more money.  

[GunnerBill]

We have three former OCs on the staff - Brady, Boras and Kromer.

[fergie's ire]

Alabama has done this for years.  They look for coaches who are trying to rehab their reputation so they can have a really experienced and top flight coaching staff.  E.g. Hiring a 2 time NFL head coach to be their OL coach.  It's one of the benefits of being seen as a top flight organization.  

[without a drought]

I heard that they brought in Leslie Frazier for the same reason back in 2017.

[RocCityRoller]

15 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

We have three former OCs on the staff - Brady, Boras and Kromer.

 

Everyone is forgetting Mike Shula....

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said:

 

Everyone is forgetting Mike Shula....

 

Good point. 4th former OC on the staff!

[Punching Bag]

Personally I think Joe Brady is there to broaden Ken Dorsey's playbook making it more effective running and to change it enough so those used to combatting the Patriots's style playbook will need to work harder.

[ColoradoBills]

4 former OCs on staff?  This confuses me.  I thought McDermott only cared about the defense.

[Albany,n.y.]

1 hour ago, syhuang said:

 

Please don't get me wrong and it's not that I don't believe you since there were rumors about Dorsey might go with Daboll. However, I don't recall any creditable source or rumor about Dorsey "close to" sign with NYG. Can you please share the link to it?

https://sportsnaut.com/new-york-giants-negotiating-with-ken-dorsey-oc/

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said:

So, Dorsey is looking to move up the ladder so that one day he becomes a head coach and he chooses the Giants and what's his name over Allen and the Bills? 

Which is why he stayed here.  Significant more money would be a reason for him to follow Daboll to NJ.  It would be interesting to know how much the Giants offered Dorsey (if there was an offer).  If there was did the Bills match it?

[Putin]

1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said:

So, Dorsey is looking to move up the ladder so that one day he becomes a head coach and he chooses the Giants and what's his name over Allen and the Bills? 

Exactly ^^^^ 

Especially the part where we had to overpay to keep him , I think Josh Allen can make an average OC look good , 

While Daniel Jones is probably the opposite 

Edited June 5, 2022 by Putin

[BigAl2526]

I agree with some of the observations others have made.  I don't think McDermott brought Brady on board specifically to be Dorsey's replacement should Dorsey fail or get hired as a head coach somewhere.  If Dorsey does fail. I would fully expect Brady is a candidate for the role of OC, likewise if Dorsey is offered a head coaching gig elsewhere.  I don't think Brady would necessarily be the only candidate should either event happen.  It's not going to happen immediately.   II think McDermott has more patience than that. 

 

The other problem is that Brady cut his NFL coaching teeth in a different offensive system, even though New Orleans threw the ball deep a lot like Josh Allen enjoys doings Sean Payton's offensive assistant in New Orleans.  Sean Payton used the West Coast system of play calling. which, I understand, uses a quite different language from the Erhardt - Perkins system that Josh Allen and the Bills have relied on.  Teams do switch systems from time to time when new coaches are hired, but it takes time to acclimate.  Brady is learning Erhardt - Perkins terminology now and could possibly keep it if he were elevated to the Bills OC position, but it is an awful lot to put on Brady's shoulders.  The point is that transitioning from Dorsey to Brady would be a much more difficult transition than from Daboll to Dorsey, and it would be much better to attempt it over an offseason rather than the middle of the season.  The Bills' offense would likely suffer from an in season switch.

 

[Mr. WEO]

17 minutes ago, Putin said:

Exactly ^^^^ 

Especially the part where we had to overpay to keep him , I think Josh Allen can make an average OC look good , 

While Daniel Jones is probably the opposite 

When Daboll is exposed as a product of the otherworldly Josh Allen, the Bills “HC pipeline” will be capped for all the rest

[hondo in seattle]

I think Brady is on the staff because they want a good staff.

 

An OC doesn't develop plans or make decisions in a vacuum.  An effective OC will be collaborative and utilize the skills, wisdom, and experience of his subordinate coaches.  Under the right leadership conditions, the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.

 

As an outsider looking in I can only guess.   My guess is that Dorsey has been groomed for this role and has McD's confidence.  Brady wasn't brought in as Dorsey's backup.  But he was brought in to help make the coaching staff - and Dorsey - better.  

[Warcodered]

3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

When Daboll is exposed as a product of the otherworldly Josh Allen, the Bills “HC pipeline” will be capped for all the rest

I don't know Kilff Kingsberry got a job as a HC despite having a losing record in college because he happened to be Patrick Mahomes adjacent.

[JoeF]

Didn't realize Brady went to William & Mary.  McDermott's been watching him a long time....probably factored in a bit.  I like the fact that Dorsey isn't shy about bringing in staff that have called plays.  This coaching staff, from a teaching and experience perspective, might be one of the better ones in Bills history.  It matches the talent on the roster.   That said, I hope that they are playing through a bunch of critical game scenarios this off-season, like up by 3 with 13 seconds left.

[Putin]

3 minutes ago, JoeF said:

Didn't realize Brady went to William & Mary.  McDermott's been watching him a long time....probably factored in a bit.  I like the fact that Dorsey isn't shy about bringing in staff that have called plays.  This coaching staff, from a teaching and experience perspective, might be one of the better ones in Bills history.  It matches the talent on the roster.   That said, I hope that they are playing through a bunch of critical game scenarios this off-season, like up by 3 with 13 seconds left.

Thanks for ruining my day with your last sentence 

[JoeF]

3 minutes ago, Putin said:

Thanks for ruining my day with your last sentence 

Truly sorry....here's a cold one  

[Don Otreply]

No he isn’t, being Brady kinda flubbed his own first time OC job, he is here to be a quality supporting cast member on a super bowl contender.

[Southern_Bills]

3 hours ago, Bangarang said:

Dorsey isn’t getting fired a month into the season. 
 

Brady is likely the OC in waiting for when Dorsey is hired to be a HC. 

 

100%, Dorsey is already a known name, as soon as he proves he can call plays and run an offense, he will be up for some jobs.

 

No need to pretend otherwise, all he has to do is perform.

[K-9]

Too many chefs from the looks of it on the surface. 

[Putin]

4 minutes ago, Southern_Bills said:

 

100%, Dorsey is already a known name, as soon as he proves he can call plays and run an offense, he will be up for some jobs.

 

No need to pretend otherwise, all he has to do is perform.

I heard from the dolphins fans Ken Dorsey name come up few times when they were looking for a HC 

4 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Too many chefs from the looks of it on the surface. 

Few Su shefs but only one chef 

[Warcodered]

This feels like a thing you worry about because you don't have enough things to worry about.

[K-9]

9 minutes ago, Putin said:

I heard from the dolphins fans Ken Dorsey name come up few times when they were looking for a HC 

Few Su shefs but only one chef 

If any of those sous chefs hadn’t already been head chefs themselves, I’d agree that they’re just sous chefs. Shouldn’t be a problem when things are going well, but I can see the potential for too many voices and some conflict if the offense struggles. 

Edited June 5, 2022 by K-9

[John from Riverside]

2 hours ago, 3rdnlng said:

So, Dorsey is looking to move up the ladder so that one day he becomes a head coach and he chooses the Giants and what's his name over Allen and the Bills? 

Are they not all moving to move up the ladder?

[Motor26]

25 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Too many chefs from the looks of it on the surface. 

Not really. Dorsey will call the plays. 

[Augie]

57 minutes ago, JoeF said:

Truly sorry....here's a cold one  

 

Umm, excuse me, but……..did you bring enough for everyone? 

 

It’s their job to think of every possible scenario and be ready with plans and backup plans and backup plans for the backup plans. That’s how you build a winning organization. The best organizations (that’s us! ) will see the coaching staff and front office (and practice squad for that matter) poached more than the lousy teams. Beane and McD will be ready for the challenges ahead. If you are afraid to have smart people around you, you’ve already failed. 

 

 

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Edited June 5, 2022 by Augie

[Putin]

23 minutes ago, K-9 said:

If any of those sous chefs hadn’t already been head chefs themselves, I’d agree that they’re just sous chefs. Shouldn’t be a problem when things are going well, but I can see the potential for too many voices and some conflict if the offense struggles. 

I trust McD to keep everything running smooth even if there’s few  bumps on the way to the SB !!! 

Edited June 5, 2022 by Putin

[JoeF]

11 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Umm, excuse me, but……..did you bring enough for everyone? 

 

It’s their job to think of every possible scenario and be ready with plans and backup plans and backup plans for the backup plans. That’s how you build a winning organization. The best organizations (that’s us! ) will see the coaching staff and front office (and practice squad for that matter) poached more than the lousy teams. Beane and McD will be ready for the challenges ahead. If you are afraid to have smart people around you, you’ve already failed. 

 

 

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[machine gun kelly]

McD is doing what good leaders do.  He’s providing the best talent around his coordinators.  McD would never allow a breach of chain of command.  Coaching decisions are with the blessing of the Pegulas and Beane, but make no mistake these are HC decisions.  Do you think he didn’t cover this stuff in the interview process.  As a leader the last 10 years you prepare for everything and keep an eye on day to day in the beginning to make sure things flow well.

 

Brady knows his role, and Dorsey knows he can rely on his staff to assist with generating ideas, but decisions will be made by Dorsey unless McD jumps in the game and wants to insert a specific tactic.

 

This is a great thing as McD keeps fortifying his coaching staff with experienced coaches.

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, Warcodered said:

I don't know Kilff Kingsberry got a job as a HC despite having a losing record in college because he happened to be Patrick Mahomes adjacent.

How’s that going?

[Warcodered]

17 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

How’s that going?

Yeah it wasn't a great plan, point is there always seems to be teams willing to give someone a chance because they were in sneezing range of someone who's had success.