Bills OTAs

[WMDman]

is there a practice today?

[ALF]

The Bills will hold voluntary offseason workouts (OTAs) on:

Week 1 OTAs: May 23-24, 26

Week 2 OTAs: May 31, June 1-2

Week 3 OTAs: June 6-7, June 9-10

Mandatory minicamp: June 14-16

[YoloinOhio]

23 minutes ago, WMDman said:

is there a practice today?

No

[Starr Almighty]

Yes they are practicing rest on this day. They say Star has come back just to teach some of the rookies, since he had the best resting skills while on the roster.

[BillsFan4]

6 hours ago, StHustle said:

 

SMH at your logic. He has outperformed his contract. How is he an all pro but not even in the top 20 paid for his position? Guess what happens if a player gets a top 5 contract but plays like the 25th best? The are demanded to take a pay cut or risk being cut and making no more money. How is it ok for that to be routine (teams playing hardball to force pay cuts) but players, who are the reason teams make money, can't take a stand when they outplay their contract???

 

 

Tired of people who think that just because these players make millions they should be satisfied with being underpaid cause a contract signed years back. Things change! That's why a team will switch up on you real quick...despite the contract...will null and void it quick af of they feel youre underplaying what you're paid! Wheres you post condemning that? No instead your a hypocrite like the average fan who is all for that behavior for the sake of your entertainment and having a better team. You care more about a team winning instead of humans fairly compensated for work. Do you complain when the team rakes in toms of extra money from the team being great yet our players collectively make what the Jags are making?? Make it make sense.

spotrac shows Poyer as the 13th highest paid safety
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/average/safety/

 

And over the cap shows him as the 12th highest paid safety:

 

https://overthecap.com/position/safety/

 

and you are right, things have changed since he signed the deal. When he signed the deal he was among the top 10 highest paid safeties. Can’t remember exactly where he fell in the top 10. Teams can’t afford to give players a raise every time another player at their position gets more money. and remember, his last contract wasn’t up at the time the Bills gave him this newest deal. The bills gave him a big raise anyway.

 

I agree that he deserves an extension and I hope it works out and he gets one in Buffalo. I’d love to keep him around beyond this season. But if he’s looking for top 5 safety money it’s not happening in Buffalo. They don’t have the cap space for a deal like that, especially with important extensions on the horizon for younger players.

[MrEpsYtown]

Tommy Doyle working inside at guard. I mentioned it as a possibility in February. The more you can do for versatility the better. He could become a very valuable piece. 

[noacls]

7 hours ago, StHustle said:

 

SMH at your logic. He has outperformed his contract. How is he an all pro but not even in the top 20 paid for his position? Guess what happens if a player gets a top 5 contract but plays like the 25th best? The are demanded to take a pay cut or risk being cut and making no more money. How is it ok for that to be routine (teams playing hardball to force pay cuts) but players, who are the reason teams make money, can't take a stand when they outplay their contract???

 

 

Tired of people who think that just because these players make millions they should be satisfied with being underpaid cause a contract signed years back. Things change! That's why a team will switch up on you real quick...despite the contract...will null and void it quick af of they feel youre underplaying what you're paid! Wheres you post condemning that? No instead your a hypocrite like the average fan who is all for that behavior for the sake of your entertainment and having a better team. You care more about a team winning instead of humans fairly compensated for work. Do you complain when the team rakes in toms of extra money from the team being great yet our players collectively make what the Jags are making?? Make it make sense.

Calm down Mrs. Bush Brown Poyer. 😂

[AuntieEm]

On 5/24/2022 at 12:14 PM, BTB said:

Players under contract who choose to skip voluntary workouts just because they have not received a new contract of their liking, can go pound salt. 
 

I’m looking at you Poyer. 

 Got no problem with Poyer opting out while he is looking for a new contract.  If he got injured that would impact the ability to get a deal done.  Once mandatory sessions begin then Poyer has to show up.  

 

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Beerball]

8 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Well looks like he will be in town today 

 

Damn him to hell.

[JDubya76]

2 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

 

 

Let’s put that video side-by-side up against Tua’s duck to Hill. It like they are not playing the same game, but ya know, all signs are pointing towards Tua breaking out this year. LOL🤪

[Solomon Grundy]

2 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

 

 

I wonder if Von is gawking over Josh the way Manny was? 

[BADOLBILZ]

13 hours ago, StHustle said:

 

SMH at your logic. He has outperformed his contract. How is he an all pro but not even in the top 20 paid for his position? Guess what happens if a player gets a top 5 contract but plays like the 25th best? The are demanded to take a pay cut or risk being cut and making no more money. How is it ok for that to be routine (teams playing hardball to force pay cuts) but players, who are the reason teams make money, can't take a stand when they outplay their contract???

 

 

Tired of people who think that just because these players make millions they should be satisfied with being underpaid cause a contract signed years back. Things change! That's why a team will switch up on you real quick...despite the contract...will null and void it quick af of they feel youre underplaying what you're paid! Wheres you post condemning that? No instead your a hypocrite like the average fan who is all for that behavior for the sake of your entertainment and having a better team. You care more about a team winning instead of humans fairly compensated for work. Do you complain when the team rakes in toms of extra money from the team being great yet our players collectively make what the Jags are making?? Make it make sense.

 

 

In 2017 when the Bills shockingly gave him starting safety money........similar to what an actual in-demand free agent named Micah Hyde got from the Bills........despite Poyer being an injury prone journeyman who had just missed 10 games the prior year.............were you angry at Poyer for getting too much money?  

 

Of course you weren't..........the team offered it so he took it whether he had deserved it or not. 

 

That's the way it goes with contracts.   

 

Sometimes players get money in free agency that they didn't earn.........and sometimes they earn money that they don't get because they've signed away leverage in exchange for security and guaranteed dough in real time.

 

Now if Poyer were both younger and played a premium position maybe he'd have more leverage...........but he's not and he doesn't.    

[Dr Krentist]

Any news or video today?

[wppete]

On 5/25/2022 at 3:12 PM, MrEpsYtown said:

Tommy Doyle working inside at guard. I mentioned it as a possibility in February. The more you can do for versatility the better. He could become a very valuable piece. 

Yeah pretty exciting to hear. A lot of reports that he is looking really good out there so far. Could be big for us if he secures the swing tackle and also can play inside if injuries happen. Great to hear so far, I’m a Tommy Doyle fan. 

[Warcodered]

7 minutes ago, wppete said:

Yeah pretty exciting to hear. A lot of reports that he is looking really good out there so far. Could be big for us if he secures the swing tackle and also can play inside if injuries happen. Great to hear so far, I’m a Tommy Doyle fan. 

Hopefully, but I mean it's OTAs with no pads, can't really put to much weight to it yet.

[Mango]

On 5/25/2022 at 5:11 PM, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

 

 

 

RIP Dane Jackson.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

8 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

RIP Dane Jackson.

He did it to Tre White as well. Guy can ball.

 

 

[Chandler#81]

22 minutes ago, wppete said:

Yeah pretty exciting to hear. A lot of reports that he is looking really good out there so far. Could be big for us if he secures the swing tackle and also can play inside if injuries happen. Great to hear so far, I’m a Tommy Doyle fan. 

eh, you’re just a fan of any touchdown maker.. 😉

[Augie]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

He did it to Tre White as well. Guy can ball.

 

 

 

My favorite part of that is the laughing. They are competing at the highest level, but they are also having fun. Not every team has that same culture, and I love it! 

 

Get well Tre! 

[wppete]

8 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

eh, you’re just a fan of any touchdown maker.. 😉

[Mango]

19 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

In 2017 when the Bills shockingly gave him starting safety money........similar to what an actual in-demand free agent named Micah Hyde got from the Bills........despite Poyer being an injury prone journeyman who had just missed 10 games the prior year.............were you angry at Poyer for getting too much money?  

 

Of course you weren't..........the team offered it so he took it whether he had deserved it or not. 

 

That's the way it goes with contracts.   

 

Sometimes players get money in free agency that they didn't earn.........and sometimes they earn money that they don't get because they've signed away leverage in exchange for security and guaranteed dough in real time.

 

Now if Poyer were both younger and played a premium position maybe he'd have more leverage...........but he's not and he doesn't.    

 

You literally just made this up. Like there should be a message board rule where if you take such a hard stance on things that most certainly did not happen then you have to reach out to everybody who positively engaged with your post and say:

 

Quote

" @Chandler#81@clayboy54 @Dr. Who @Rochesterfan @billsfan1959, I see you engaged with my post regarding an opinion I made about a fact I most certainly just made up off the top of my head. It isn't true, and I did not bother googling first. The entire premise of my argument is now flawed. And to @StHustle, I apologize for coming at you so hard. Asking you why you weren't vocal about a completely flawed premise from the start. And to the TBD community, I vow to do better and to limit my incorrect opinions to hot takes that don't ascribe to any blatantly false premises like the rest of the TBD community"

 

I think only time can heal this wound....

Here are Poyers career cap numbers, ranking among his peers, and his money compared to the highest paid S in the league. 

 

 

https://overthecap.com/position/safety/2021/ 

 

Edited May 26, 2022 by Mango

[BADOLBILZ]

19 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

You literally just made this up. Like there should be a message board rule where if you take such a hard stance on things that most certainly did not happen then you have to reach out to everybody who positively engaged with your post and say:

 

 

I think only time can heal this wound....

Here are Poyers career cap numbers, ranking among his peers, and his money compared to the highest paid S in the league. 

 

 

https://overthecap.com/position/safety/2021/ 

 

 

 

 

Here are the best available safeties going into free agency in 2017 per NFL.com:

 

Safeties

Dashon Goldson, Atlanta Falcons
Matt Elam, Baltimore Ravens
Kendrick Lewis, Baltimore Ravens
James Ihedigbo, Buffalo Bills
Robert Blanton, Buffalo Bills
Phillip Thomas, Buffalo Bills
Aaron Williams, Buffalo Bills
Michael Griffin, Carolina Panthers
Rafael Bush, Detroit Lions
Don Jones, Houston Texans
Duke Williams, Indianapolis Colts
T.J. McDonald, Los Angeles Rams
Michael Thomas, Miami Dolphins
Jairus Byrd, New Orleans Saints
Roman Harper, New Orleans Saints
Jamarca Sanford, New Orleans Saints
Shamarko Thomas, Pittsburgh Steelers
Jeron Johnson, Seattle Seahawks
Kelcie McCray, Seattle Seahawks
Daimion Stafford, Tennessee Titans
Rashad Johnson, Tennessee Titans
Donte Whitner, Washington Redskins
Duke Ihenacho, Washington Redskins

 

 

Do you even see Jordan Poyer on that inauspicious list?    

 

He was seen as a scrub not even worth noting on a list that had Robert Blanton on it, for chrissakes.

 

And it wasn't just the people looking from 10,000 feet.........Jordan Poyer was the 69th ranked safety when he actually played(only 6 games healthy) in 2016 per PFF.

 

He was seen as just a league minimum, non-starting quality,  compete for a roster spot kinda' player.

 

The Bills gave him starters money.......there are 60 starting safeties in the NFL........do the math.     And a 4 year contract to boot!

 

Basically........just STFU. 

 

[Mango]

48 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

 

Here are the best available safeties going into free agency in 2017 per NFL.com:

 

Safeties

Dashon Goldson, Atlanta Falcons
Matt Elam, Baltimore Ravens
Kendrick Lewis, Baltimore Ravens
James Ihedigbo, Buffalo Bills
Robert Blanton, Buffalo Bills
Phillip Thomas, Buffalo Bills
Aaron Williams, Buffalo Bills
Michael Griffin, Carolina Panthers
Rafael Bush, Detroit Lions
Don Jones, Houston Texans
Duke Williams, Indianapolis Colts
T.J. McDonald, Los Angeles Rams
Michael Thomas, Miami Dolphins
Jairus Byrd, New Orleans Saints
Roman Harper, New Orleans Saints
Jamarca Sanford, New Orleans Saints
Shamarko Thomas, Pittsburgh Steelers
Jeron Johnson, Seattle Seahawks
Kelcie McCray, Seattle Seahawks
Daimion Stafford, Tennessee Titans
Rashad Johnson, Tennessee Titans
Donte Whitner, Washington Redskins
Duke Ihenacho, Washington Redskins

 

 

Do you even see Jordan Poyer on that inauspicious list?    

 

He was seen as a scrub not even worth noting on a list that had Robert Blanton on it, for chrissakes.

 

And it wasn't just the people looking from 10,000 feet.........Jordan Poyer was the 69th ranked safety when he actually played(only 6 games healthy) in 2016 per PFF.

 

He was seen as just a league minimum, non-starting quality,  compete for a roster spot kinda' player.

 

The Bills gave him starters money.......there are 60 starting safeties in the NFL........do the math.     And a 4 year contract to boot!

 

Basically........just STFU. 

 

Don’t move the goal posts. Your take was based on Poyer being over paid and some outrage from people in 2017. 

 

I’ll save you the leg work. I’ll put the link to his FA signing thread below so you can refresh. Most of the thread is about him being a good athlete and most likely a backup signing. Not a single response saying his contract is too high. NOT.ONE.

 

There are quite literally two comments about his contract. The thread is archived so I can’t directly quote but they are:

 

”$3.25M isn’t starter money…”

- @JM57

 

“Looks like a decent contract”

- @wppete

 

Poyer has outplayed his contract with Buffalo and you fabricated some history. Full stop. 
 

You quite literally made something up. Take the L and go work on penning your apology letter to the board.
 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

26 minutes ago, Mango said:

Don’t move the goal posts. Your take was based on Poyer being over paid and some outrage from people in 2017. 

 

I’ll save you the leg work. I’ll put the link to his FA signing thread below so you can refresh. Most of the thread is about him being a good athlete and most likely a backup signing. Not a single response saying his contract is too high. NOT.ONE.

 

There are quite literally two comments about his contract. The thread is archived so I can’t directly quote but they are:

 

”$3.25M isn’t starter money…”

- @JM57

 

“Looks like a decent contract”

- @wppete

 

Poyer has outplayed his contract with Buffalo and you fabricated some history. Full stop. 
 

You quite literally made something up. Take the L and go work on penning your apology letter to the board.
 

 

 

 

Oh some Bills fans claimed Poyer was a good signing?   On a fan site full of homer's who had no idea who he was until they read that the Bills signed him?   You don't say!

 

You literally listed his cap number as 45th among safeties in the first year and then in the 20's for safeties during that first contract.............there are 60 starting safeties in the NFL............get better at math or get better at S'ing TFU.   

 

And let me add the following from that thread.......

 

@christrapasso

As @JoeBanner13 & others have said, I'm not sure who #Bills were competing w/ re: J.Poyer's contract. But APY-wise, he's 41st-highest paid S

-@YoloinOhio

 

Here's a tip.........when a former GM says "I'm not sure who (team) were competing with" that means the amount given was really surprising..........and yeah $6M gtd to a guy who was considered an afterthought on the market was surprising.

 

So yeah, you were lying about the comments in addition to not being able to figure out how many starting safeties there are in the NFL.

 

The larger question is why some people have personal worry about what the wealthy Poyer is earning?

 

As I said, were you mad at him for taking an unexpected $6M gtd payday from the Bills when he hadn't done anything to that point and couldn't stay healthy and was battling alcoholism?

 

If not then why are you feeling unnecessary pain over him not being paid like an All Pro now?   He took the juicy guarantee up front and got the security..........I'm sure the Bills would have done a league minimum 1 year deal if he had wanted.    But he took the signing bonus plan!

 

 

 

Edited May 27, 2022 by BADOLBILZ
just to throw some more tajin on the sliced and diced Mango

[TBBills]

2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

He did it to Tre White as well. Guy can ball.

 

 

Dolphins should take notes... not on the video but on the QB, b.c they don't have one.

[SWATeam]

24 minutes ago, Mango said:

Don’t move the goal posts. 

 

You must not know who you're talking to...

[YoloinOhio]

I’m dead 🤣

 

[YoloinOhio]

Diggs shorts just keep getting shorter, pretty soon he be wearing a Speedo to practice 

[Warcodered]

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Diggs shorts just keep getting shorter, pretty soon he be wearing a Speedo to practice 

is that a promise? 🤤

[Buffalo_Stampede]

30 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Oh some Bills fans claimed Poyer was a great signing?   On a fan site full of homer's who had no idea who he was until they read that the Bills signed him?   You don't say!

 

You literally listed his cap number as 45th among safeties in the first year and then in the 20's for safeties during that first contract.............there are 60 starting safeties in the NFL............get better at math or get better at S'ing TFU.   

Poyer was overpaid by the Bills but not by much. Kind of reminds me of Bates this year. Bates a career backup that the Bears thought would be a starter so they gave him low end OG starter money.

 

The Bills viewed Poyer as a starting safety for them so they gave him low end starting safety money. He outplayed the contract and received a raise 2 years later. He outplayed that raise. Now entering the final year of the deal he has one last major contract in his career. He wants top 5 safety money. I don’t think he’ll get it because of his age. He wants that Harrison Smith deal, it’s not happening here or as a UFA. The Mathieu deal should be eye opening for him. 

 

 

[wppete]

3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Diggs shorts just keep getting shorter, pretty soon he be wearing a Speedo to practice 

Diggs and Milano getting carried away with the short shorts 🩳 😂 

[The Wiz]

11 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I’m dead 🤣

 

"Football Man" is going to get old when my grandkids graduate college.  My current kids aren't even teens yet.

[Mango]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Poyer was overpaid by the Bills but not by much. Kind of reminds me of Bates this year. Bates a career backup that the Bears thought would be a starter so they gave him low end OG starter money.

 

The Bills viewed Poyer as a starting safety for them so they gave him low end starting safety money. He outplayed the contract and received a raise 2 years later. He outplayed that raise. Now entering the final year of the deal he has one last major contract in his career. He wants top 5 safety money. I don’t think he’ll get it because of his age. He wants that Harrison Smith deal, it’s not happening here or as a UFA. The Mathieu deal should be eye opening for him. 

 

 

This is a good take. 
 

I am not sure he wants top 5 money. But I do think he wants some consistency in being paid to his performance. He’s been underpaid every day he’s worn a Bills jersey, and he’s been a top 10 paid safety just twice. 2020 when he signed his extension and this current year. If he gets something similar to Mathieu, I think he stays honestly. Comparatively Poyer has made $30M career to date compared to Honey Badgers $73M. They aren’t the same guy, but I am sure Poyer looks at his peers and things “man, where’d I miss out?”

 

Outside of Josh on a rookie deal, Poyer has probably been the most financially under valued player on the team. In that respect I’d love to see him finally get his pay day and retire a Bill.

But football is a business...  

[Buffalo_Stampede]

9 minutes ago, Mango said:

This is a good take. 
 

I am not sure he wants top 5 money. But I do think he wants some consistency in being paid to his performance. He’s been underpaid every day he’s worn a Bills jersey, and he’s been a top 10 paid safety just twice. 2020 when he signed his extension and this current year. If he gets something similar to Mathieu, I think he stays honestly. Comparatively Poyer has made $30M career to date compared to Honey Badgers $73M. They aren’t the same guy, but I am sure Poyer looks at his peers and things “man, where’d I miss out?”

 

Outside of Josh on a rookie deal, Poyer has probably been the most financially under valued player on the team. In that respect I’d love to see him finally get his pay day and retire a Bill.

But football is a business...  

Bills don’t owe him anything for outperforming his contract. Just the way it is. He’ll get a deal based on the market.
 

Just looking at safety deals a little closer the Smith deal actually isn’t as crazy as it sounds.  13th highest guaranteed money. The signing bonus and guaranteed money is actually pretty reasonable. Mathieu got more guaranteed.

 

Look at the “signed age” for the top deals.
 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/contracts/safety/

 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

37 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Poyer was overpaid by the Bills but not by much. Kind of reminds me of Bates this year. Bates a career backup that the Bears thought would be a starter so they gave him low end OG starter money.

 

The Bills viewed Poyer as a starting safety for them so they gave him low end starting safety money. He outplayed the contract and received a raise 2 years later. He outplayed that raise. Now entering the final year of the deal he has one last major contract in his career. He wants top 5 safety money. I don’t think he’ll get it because of his age. He wants that Harrison Smith deal, it’s not happening here or as a UFA. The Mathieu deal should be eye opening for him. 

 

 

 

 

I don't disagree with the bolded because all they risked was about $7M signing Poyer...........but if he had signed a 1 year deal for the then-league-minimum $660K anywhere who bats an eye?  

 

Nobody.

 

Instead he got $6M guaranteed from the Bills.

 

When the Bills signed Star Lotulelei I thought he warranted a 1 year $4M deal.........sorta' like the one Daquan Jones got with Carolina last year..........and the Bills instead gave him 5 years, $50M and $25M guaranteed.      They grossly overpaid Star at 2.5 times a reasonable aav and gave him 5 years.....but by the same token Poyer basically got 5 times league minimum as his aav and got 4 years.

 

So "how much" Poyer was overpaid is a matter of perspective.

 

Completely agree with second paragraph.

 

I'd also add that I support his right to hold out.

 

If he wants to use whatever leverage he has........so be it.

 

I just wouldn't extend him right now and am not pained by his perceived plight.    He's not a young player and they already have one old safety on a multi-year with Micah Hyde.   If Poyer has another excellent year,  his relative value as a 32 year old at a non-premium position still decreases IMO.   It's not in the Bills best interest to extend him at the moment, IMO.

[CNYfan]

30 mil?   Yeah, nice job

[Richard Noggin]

4 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

You literally listed his cap number as 45th among safeties in the first year and then in the 20's for safeties during that first contract.............there are 60 starting safeties in the NFL............get better at math or get better at S'ing TFU.   

 

 

It's just internet physics at play here, dictating that any post criticizing someone else's logic, grammar, or math shall ITSELF contain such an error in logic, grammar, or (in this case) "math." Unless I'm wrong, I count 64 starting safeties in the NFL. 32 teams X 2 starting safeties per team. When coming in hot, best also come correct. 

 

(Your point was not nearly as flawed as others have characterized, for the record.) 

[CSBill]

8 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Poyer was overpaid by the Bills but not by much. Kind of reminds me of Bates this year. Bates a career backup that the Bears thought would be a starter so they gave him low end OG starter money.

 

The Bills viewed Poyer as a starting safety for them so they gave him low end starting safety money. He outplayed the contract and received a raise 2 years later. He outplayed that raise. Now entering the final year of the deal he has one last major contract in his career. He wants top 5 safety money. I don’t think he’ll get it because of his age. He wants that Harrison Smith deal, it’s not happening here or as a UFA. The Mathieu deal should be eye opening for him. 

 

 

 

This.