Mass shooting in Buffalo (Those wishing to exchange on the political aspects of this situation should do so in the thread located in PPP) - edit by moderator

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

We're all screaming into the void. Feel so helpless.

 

I know the market. My wife and I stayed a minute from there on our honeymoon.

 

My blood is boiling.

[KingBoots8]

Kid was a student at SUNY Broome, 10 mins from where I live. What an absolute friggin mess… the drive is 3-3/12 hours up there. It doesn’t make sense

[muppy]

5 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

Guys, no website on the planet can convince a kid to become a complete monster.  He learned his hate from somewhere close, very close, and these sites were simply a way to exacerbate hate.  
 

Im sick over this hate and so sad for the loss of these families.  At the end of the day, like when my mom pass peacefully our priest talked about not the loss of

my mom as there is no doubt she’s in whatever you consider heaven.  He discussed the agonizing grief those who survived my mom had to face for a long long time.  Since it happened on my 40th birthday, I to this day do not enjoy my birthday.  I fondly speak of her these days, but my point has nothing to do with me.  
 

I’m just sick over all of the husbands, wives, mothers, fathers, children, and loved ones who will grieve terribly about the loss of their loved one and what they will go through in the coming months and even years.  I know there are police and lawyers on the board.  If there is anyway to convert to federal charges to eventually give him the death penalty is fine with me.  I didn’t think NYS has the death penalty, or at least they won’t enforce it.

 

Down here in FL we put the needle in guys like this down here.  It may take 10 years, but the real answer is put him Gen. Pop.  Once the inmates get a hand on him, a bullet would be kind.

 

I normally am fine with life vs. the needle, but this senseless horrific hate crime should end only one way.

 

im not posting to start a big death penalty conversation.  Not today.  I’m just sick over all of those losses.

I  am no expert but think these shooters somehow develop some sort of maniacal ideology "indoctrinated" by radical websites and they do these things to just vent their hate and viciousness onto innocent victims to further magnify their cause through subsequent media coverage? .   Exacerbated mental illness....maybe maybe not I dunno. I wish we could know so we could somehow help prevent this kind if incident from occurring Somehow. The Only good that will come from it IMO is Buffalo city will NOT be torn apart quite the opposite they will UNITE as a community like no other. 

[The Wiz]

7 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

 

 

A process where the Government kills a citizen is absolutely meant to be a pain in the ass and have a bunch of ways out and take a while to happen.

When innocent people are incarcerated at 2-10%, I think they need to find a new way of processing people that are the culprit of the crime and confess to it.  Why allow an appeal when they are scene, carrying the weapon, confesses to the crime and gives himself up? 

 

He's lactose intolerant and had milk today, appeal granted.

[Warcodered]

9 minutes ago, muppy said:

I  am no expert but think these shooters somehow develop some sort of maniacal ideology "indoctrinated" by radical websites and they do these things to just vent their hate and viciousness onto innocent victims to further magnify their cause through subsequent media coverage? .   Exacerbated mental illness....maybe maybe not I dunno. I wish we could know so we could somehow help prevent this kind if incident from occurring Somehow. The Only good that will come from it IMO is Buffalo city will NOT be torn apart quite the opposite they will UNITE as a community like no other. 

I once read an article where someone who had been a part of a hate group and gotten out talked about how it went for them, not necessarily the same as a shooter but I guess related. Quick summary on how he ended up there would be coming from a crap situation abuse, an outsider, and they get sucked in by being given a place that gives them a sense of belonging, people that seem to care about them, and someone/thing to blame for why their life has been so bad.

Edited May 15, 2022 by Warcodered

[Einstein]

I’m not a moderator and have no say, but this should have been allowed to stay on the main forum for at least today.

[RaoulDuke79]

11 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

I once read an article where someone who had been a part of a hate group and gotten out talked about how it went for them, not necessarily the same as a shooter but I guess related. Quick summary on how he ended up there would be coming from a crap situation abuse, an outsider, and they get sucked in by being given a place that gives them a sense of belonging, people that seem to care about them, and someone/thing to blame for why their life has been so bad.

Similar to every other gang on the planet. Groups take in and manipulate vulnerable and disenfranchised individuals to do their bidding.

[Warcodered]

1 minute ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

Similar to every other gang on the planet. Groups take in and manipulate vulnerable and disenfranchised individuals to do their bidding.

Yep, found it.

 

https://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-1446-5-things-i-learned-as-neo-nazi.html

 

Guy says if he hadn't ended up a Nazi probably just would have ended up in some other gang.

[Andy1]

Defeat hate. Defeat evil. It will take all of us changing one mind at a time. With social media, it is too easy for people to fall into pit of hatred towards others. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 minutes ago, Einstein said:

I’m not a moderator and have no say, but this should have been allowed to stay on the main forum for at least today.

 

This thread was not moved.  It was opened here.

[Mango]

This one hurts. I didn’t grow up on the east side. But I did grow up in a really diverse west side. I’ve spent a good part of my adult life living on the west side working with refugees at Journeys End and Viva La Casa on the east side. 
 

To see this happen to people of color in my community, a community I’ve put some work into, really hurts. 

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

This thread was not moved.  It was opened here.

I started here because I wasn't sure if it was appropriate for the main board

[RaoulDuke79]

Just now, Andy1 said:

Defeat hate. Defeat evil. It will take all of us changing one mind at a time. With social media, it is too easy for people to fall into pit of hatred towards others. 

This is just my opinion, but social media has been the single biggest misery to society in my 40+ years. Maybe I'm a Luddite, but I see much more harm than good.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

I have a feeling the Buffalo PD is whooping his ass right now

 

Meaning no offense, but I hope not.  Go by the book on this one; give him no excuses or reasons to claim that his rights were violated or that any evidence or statements he gives should be disallowed.

[Buffalo716]

10 minutes ago, Einstein said:

I’m not a moderator and have no say, but this should have been allowed to stay on the main forum for at least today.

I started it on this subform because I wasn't sure if it should go on the main page

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

I started it on this subform because I wasn't sure if it should go on the main page

 

You're good

[Warcodered]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

This thread was not moved.  It was opened here.

 

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

I started here because I wasn't sure if it was appropriate for the main board

The other one got merged into this one, but that does make sense after it had been a little while.

[Buffalo716]

Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Meaning no offense, but I hope not.  Go by the book on this one; give him no excuses or reasons to claim that his rights were violated or that any evidence or statements he gives should be disallowed.

I hear you 

 

I've just been in a fog all day because this definitely hurts.. and this is not representative of the city I love and live in

[Warcodered]

 

[That's No Moon]

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

Would we have less tornadoes if they weren’t covered by the news?

Next time a person makes a tornado let me know.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

12 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

I hear you 

 

I've just been in a fog all day because this definitely hurts.. and this is not representative of the city I love and live in

 

I know, it's making me sick. 

 

I grew up about half a mile from there on E. Utica Street.

 

 

1 hour ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

He should have been shot on the spot regardless of whether he put his gun down.

 

I'm not in favor of LEO taking the law into their own hands for any reason if it can be safely avoided.

[Shay]

 No words right now, feel sad, distressed and angry.  I literally was shopping in another grocery store at the time of the incident and when I returned home was met with this news by my spouse,  why just why?   I love our city and our people
I can never understand hate

Edited May 15, 2022 by Shay

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

Make an example out of this POS.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, PetermansRedemption said:

Nothing yet. It’s just so odd. Why Buffalo? He likely passed Rochester and Syracuse. 

 

News is he came from Broome County (county seat: Binghamton) which is S of Syracuse near the PA border.  The direct route to Buffalo would be S. Tier Expressway, then I-390 then a couple of US Rts.  It would not pass Rochester and Syracuse.

 

 

[Warcodered]

 

[PetermansRedemption]

4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

News is he came from Broome County (county seat: Binghamton) which is S of Syracuse near the PA border.  The direct route to Buffalo would be S. Tier Expressway, then I-390 then a couple of US Rts.  It would not pass Rochester and Syracuse.

 

 

Which makes it obvious he targeted Buffalo for some reason that will hopefully come out. Syracuse is 1 hour away from Conklin, Buffalo is like 3.5 hours. 

[jkeerie]

2 hours ago, TH3 said:

You literally have no idea what you are talking about. I mean….literally….what do you know about this subject from a professional or educational experience or background?

I'm merely expressing an opinion.  Mass murder doesn't need to be copied although I'm not denying that copycat murders don't occur.  I also acknowledge that those who perpetrate such crimes are making very public statements.  Someone as young as 18 could well be looking for notoriety.  We'll learn more about his particular motivation in the days ahead as facts are confirmed.  Now...if you have a particular expertise please offer it.  

2 hours ago, The Wiz said:

Through Syracuse and Rochester though. 

 

And Binghamton and Albany are closer. 

 

Only people outside of NYS think of buffalo because of sports.  Not saying that's why it was targeted, just feels like there was another reason to target buffalo. 

Perhaps.  We'll learn more as more facts are revealed.

Edited May 15, 2022 by jkeerie

[Draconator]

Don't have anything to say. This sucks. Prayers to the families and friends of those who lost their lives.

[billsfan714]

Has anything ever good came out of that POS 4chan website.  Cripe live streamed it on Twitch.   He was a believer that whites are being replaced.   SC church, Chancellorsville, El Paso Walmart, Pittsburgh Synagogue.....just cant understand the hate in some people.

Edited May 15, 2022 by billsfan714

[Your Brown Eye]

Absolutely terrible, some people need to do the world a favor and off themselves without hurting innocent people

[Teddy KGB]

Put a bullet in his head.       Why waste taxpayer money on him 🤷🏼‍♂️

[NoHuddleKelly12]

Unspeakable. And this terrorist drives 200+ miles to target Buffalo specifically? Am at a loss for words. 

[Mike in Horseheads]

29 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

News is he came from Broome County (county seat: Binghamton) which is S of Syracuse near the PA border.  The direct route to Buffalo would be S. Tier Expressway, then I-390 then a couple of US Rts.  It would not pass Rochester and Syracuse.

 

 

Binghamton is not far from Ithaca. Also I-81 from Conklin to the NYS thruway would indeed take him through Syracuse and Rochester

 

Edited May 15, 2022 by Mike in Horseheads

[RiotAct]

why oh why did NYS get rid of the death penalty?

[Doc Brown]

2 hours ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

He should have been shot on the spot regardless of whether he put his gun down.

I'd rather see him rot in a cell the rest of his life.  

4 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

why oh why did NYS get rid of the death penalty?

The main reason is there's a certain percentage (estimates are about 4%) who are executed that are later found innocent when new evidence arises.  

[NoSaint]

41 minutes ago, PetermansRedemption said:

Which makes it obvious he targeted Buffalo for some reason that will hopefully come out. Syracuse is 1 hour away from Conklin, Buffalo is like 3.5 hours. 

yea a random low tier regional grocery store halfway across the state is a really strange perceived blaze of glory to choose 

 

I assume there will be some story 

20 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

Binghamton is not far from Ithaca. Also I-81 from Conklin to the NYS thruway would indeed take him through Syracuse and Rochester

 

Binghamton itself isn’t tiny either 

[Buftex]

2 hours ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

He should have been shot on the spot regardless of whether he put his gun down.

From what I heard, a security guard did shoot him...but his equipment protected him.  Cowardly piece of *****.

 

[Mike in Horseheads]

8 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

yea a random low tier regional grocery store halfway across the state is a really strange perceived blaze of glory to choose 

 

I assume there will be some story 

Binghamton itself isn’t tiny either 

Correct, for that matter neither is Elmira if he used I-86

[ColoradoBills]

Probably not what a lot of posters feel but animals like this should not be killed by the people (government).

Put him in the general population in Attica and let him spend his remaining few days showing what a "non-tough guy" he really is.

 

The death penalty for these people is the easy way out.  I'm shocked he didn't off himself.

[BillsFan4]

That Tops is maybe 10 minutes from my house. I’ve shopped there. I have friends and family who shop there. To say this hits close to home is an understatement.

 

Reading this kid’s manifesto makes me feel sick. It also makes me so very angry, especially considering I’ve heard some of the same exact things on a very popular nightly segment on a major news network. I’ll leave it there…😡🤬

 

😢 I am so heart broken for all of the families suffering tonight because of this senseless tragedy. I feel so helpless. You read about these damn mass shootings what seems like weekly, or even daily. But nothing ever changes. It’s just “thoughts & prayers” and onto the next one. I don’t know what the answer is. But it’s certainly not “let’s continue to do nothing”.