Andy1 Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 What bothers me most is the pride some have in their hatred towards others. Flags, stickers, etc. to show they are part of the tribe. Last week I was in a very rural area north of Binghamton. The school bus stopped and three black children got out to go home. Two houses away, their neighbor is flying the confederate flag. People now feel safe showing others they hate. There is no shame. That still bothers me just thinking about those kids. 6 1 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 41 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said: Binghamton is not far from Ithaca I'm aware of the geography. I've carefully refrained from commentary on my experience with the philosophical proclivities of the area. 41 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said: Also I-81 from Conklin to the NYS thruway would indeed take him through Syracuse and Rochester True. It's about 15% longer, but maybe interstate all the way is a push on time. So he could have. I'm not sure if I'm "I guess his reasons will come out and we'll know" or "I don't GAF I just want this guy to burn, and the sooner the better for me" (unfortunately or fortunately I respect the law) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 12 minutes ago, Andy1 said: What bothers me most is the pride some have in their hatred towards others. Flags, stickers, etc. to show they are part of the tribe. Last week I was in a very rural area north of Binghamton. The school bus stopped and three black children got out to go home. Two houses away, their neighbor is flying the confederate flag. People now feel safe showing others they hate. There is no shame. That still bothers me just thinking about those kids. To be fair, some people flying the confederate battle flag don't perceive it as a symbol of hate (seriously, not kidding) and need to be gently walked through why others see it as such, and why, when you pick a symbol to display to others, you don't get to pick and choose amongst its historical associations. 51 minutes ago, RiotAct said: why oh why did NYS get rid of the death penalty? Apparently it costs more to exhaust all the appeals allowed in a death penalty case than to just feed and house the guy for life. Dunno if that's the reason though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 1 hour ago, PetermansRedemption said: Which makes it obvious he targeted Buffalo for some reason that will hopefully come out. Syracuse is 1 hour away from Conklin, Buffalo is like 3.5 hours. if you have a strong stomach you can find out why he chose his target in his “manifesto.” He chose the 14208 zip code specifically because it had the highest concentration of black people he could reasonably drive to. His motivations could not be clearer. He can burn. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 9 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: if you have a strong stomach you can find out why he chose his target in his “manifesto.” He chose the 14208 zip code specifically because it had the highest concentration of black people he could reasonably drive to. His motivations could not be clearer. He can burn. I hadn't realized the media is now citing elements of his manifesto. At the initial press conference the media was very closed mouthed about all this as the investigation was ongoing. I don't think I have the stomach to search out and read the document, but from what I gather from the press, he certainly was influenced by other mass shooters and was radicalized especially over the past few years via social media forums. This is just plain scary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 25 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: if you have a strong stomach you can find out why he chose his target in his “manifesto.” He chose the 14208 zip code specifically because it had the highest concentration of black people he could reasonably drive to. His motivations could not be clearer. He can burn. My stomach is not that strong. I will take your word. 9 minutes ago, jkeerie said: I hadn't realized the media is now citing elements of his manifesto. Wish they wouldn't 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 36 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: if you have a strong stomach you can find out why he chose his target in his “manifesto.” He chose the 14208 zip code specifically because it had the highest concentration of black people he could reasonably drive to. His motivations could not be clearer. He can burn. Wow! 😔 😟 🙁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 It’s almost as if the ongoing normalization of white supremacy and replacement theory have awful consequences in the real world. 11 1 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 16 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: My stomach is not that strong. I will take your word. Wish they wouldn't They're not really quoting from it, but just citing how he researched the shooting venue and planned everything. Also they cited his influences. This was in an article in the NY Times. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 8 minutes ago, jkeerie said: They're not really quoting from it, but just citing how he researched the shooting venue and planned everything. Also they cited his influences. This was in an article in the NY Times. Thanks. TBN article about it: https://buffalonews.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/pure-evil-racial-motives-cited-in-mass-shooting-that-killed-10-at-buffalo-supermarket/article_8ea69e00-d3e7-11ec-95a9-3317a6a19739.html?utm_campaign=snd-autopilot&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter_TheBuffaloNews No paywall on this article NY Times coverage: https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/05/14/nyregion/buffalo-shooting? Quote Maryam Akaic, left, and a friend light candles across the street from Tops, where they shop often. “If this happened to anyone in my family, I’d want them to light candles for us.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 Just saw his plan. Had every step planned out. The store mapped out. Where security usually is. Where the most people would be. Looked at reviews online and saw store is slow. Where they would flee and what neighborhood he was gonna go to next with what weapons. My god this is the most heartbreaking thing I've ever read. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 I am now watching to see what people say oh this was such a tragedy but what if they didn’t people trying to justify this They will be out there won’t take long 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 3 hours ago, RaoulDuke79 said: This is just my opinion, but social media has been the single biggest misery to society in my 40+ years. Maybe I'm a Luddite, but I see much more harm than good. It is with no joy that I have to say that after years of arguing the opposite point, I now have to agree with you. The internet in general? A net positive. Social media? A net negative. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 22 minutes ago, Logic said: It’s almost as if the ongoing normalization of white supremacy and replacement theory have awful consequences in the real world. Where is this happening at ? This seems like crazy talk 1 2 1 1 3 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
716er Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: Where is this happening at ? This seems like crazy talk Fox News - not political. It’s a fact. 1 2 1 1 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: Where is this happening at ? This seems like crazy talk Here are a few articles about the foothold that replacement theory — itself a White supremacist ideology — has on many Americans, from a variety of sources. The shooter today was not the first mass shooter to be radicalized by white supremacy and replacement theory and he won’t be the last. https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/tucker-carlson-great-replacement-white-supremacy-1231248/amp/ https://www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/poll-finds-one-third-of-adults-say-they-think-an-effort-is-afoot-to-replace-native-born-americans-with-new-immigrants-for-electoral-purposes-01652314775 https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/05/09/nearly-half-republicans-agree-with-great-replacement-theory/ https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/amp/ncna1295212 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 14 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: It is with no joy that I have to say that after years of arguing the opposite point, I now have to agree with you. The internet in general? A net positive. Social media? A net negative. Yes... But social media in a "Ukrainian Situation" is a net positive! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 Just now, ExiledInIllinois said: Yes... But social media in a "Ukrainian Situation" is a net positive! I will grant you that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 15 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: It is with no joy that I have to say that after years of arguing the opposite point, I now have to agree with you. The internet in general? A net positive. Social media? A net negative. I think the thing to remember is that before there was Facebook and Twitter and Instagram and Discord, there were AOL groups and newsgroups and then specialized bulletin boards and websites that were dedicated to pushing various ideologies. So IMHO it's kind of hard to separate the internet from social media. I guess the latter makes it more widespread and readily available 24/7 since it's on smartphone apps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Logic said: Here are a few articles about the foothold that replacement theory — itself a White supremacist ideology — has on many Americans, from a variety of sources. The shooter today was not the first mass shooter to be radicalized by white supremacy and replacement theory and he won’t be the last. https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/tucker-carlson-great-replacement-white-supremacy-1231248/amp/ https://www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/poll-finds-one-third-of-adults-say-they-think-an-effort-is-afoot-to-replace-native-born-americans-with-new-immigrants-for-electoral-purposes-01652314775 https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/05/09/nearly-half-republicans-agree-with-great-replacement-theory/ https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/amp/ncna1295212 white supremacy is always frowned upon 100 of 100 times that I’ve came across but I guess I don’t know everyone feels reachy Edited May 15, 2022 by Teddy KGB 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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