QB Coach Joe Brady; what’s his role with Josh?

[hemma]

This is a question, not an answer.  I understand he’s very young & has had mixed success in college/pros.

 

I am wondering what you more learned football scholars envision as to his importance & his role, particularly with Josh.  I am pretty fuzzy on the issue.

Wondering if he’s the equivalent of teats on a boar hawg.

 

Thanks

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[BillsfaninSB]

I think it is more about scouting the opposing defenses and providing information/tendencies from a QB perspective as opposed to giving Josh pointers on throwing the ball. 

[RoyBatty is alive]

I wasn't much of a fan of his hire.  I think he got LUCKY landing at LSU and Burrow in a magic season and he was anointed an offensive guru, and I think prematurely.  then of course the obligatory trip to Carolina (before getting fired) before heading to the Bills.   And we also have the William & Mary connection with McDermott.

[hemma]

1 minute ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

I wasn't much of a fan of his hire.  I think he got LUCKY landing at LSU and Burrow in a magic season and he was anointed an offensive guru, and I think prematurely.  then of course the obligatory trip to Carolina (before getting fired) before heading to the Bills.   And we also have the William & Mary connection with McDermott.

Yeah, I kind of felt like this was a ‘this could be cool, let’s see what happens’ hire.  

There’s probably an interview by somebody important that gives some detail but I’ve found nada.

[The Jokeman]

1 minute ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

I wasn't much of a fan of his hire.  I think he got LUCKY landing at LSU and Burrow in a magic season and he was anointed an offensive guru, and I think prematurely.  then of course the obligatory trip to Carolina (before getting fired) before heading to the Bills.   And we also have the William & Mary connection with McDermott.

You could also argue that Daboll got lucky to have Josh as prior to coming here he was a less than spectacular OC in the NFL. Personally I don't mind Judge as hate when OC and QB coaches are one in the same. As think it's good that both positions are separate as gives a QB another person in the room. I'm really interested though more in the role that Mike Shula plays. 

[RoyBatty is alive]

6 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

You could also argue that Daboll got lucky to have Josh as prior to coming here he was a less than spectacular OC in the NFL. Personally I don't mind Judge as hate when OC and QB coaches are one in the same. As think it's good that both positions are separate as gives a QB another person in the room. I'm really interested though more in the role that Mike Shula plays. 

I was thinking this exactly as I was typing.

[BuffaloCajun]

Do we not remember he also served on Sean Payton's staff as Offensive Assistant in New Orleans prior to his stint at LSU. 

[hemma]

2 minutes ago, eball said:

 

There's a punctuation mark for that.

I thought it was a declarative sentence, but in matters of grammar, I’ll always defer.

[Patrick Duffy]

Just now, BuffaloCajun said:

Do we not remember he also served on Sean Payton's staff as Offensive Assistant in New Orleans prior to his stint at LSU. 

 

I will take a guess there's more that didn't remember or didn't know than there is that did remember/knew lol

[hemma]

18 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

You could also argue that Daboll got lucky to have Josh as prior to coming here he was a less than spectacular OC in the NFL. Personally I don't mind Judge as hate when OC and QB coaches are one in the same. As think it's good that both positions are separate as gives a QB another person in the room. I'm really interested though more in the role that Mike Shula plays. 

 

One possibility is that Shula will play a similar role to Chris Palmer (6 yrs ago).  

Be there for ‘anything’ + get a jump on the game plan prep ahead of Dorsey/Frazier.

[msw2112]

I don't know much about Brady other than his year at LSU and his role with the Panthers, and just saw that he also spent some time with the Saints.  I do, however, trust the current Bills coaching staff and management team and believe they did their due diligence on Brady before hiring him.  If he was one-hit wonder who got lucky with one good season at LSU, I suspect they would have teased that out in the interview process and passed on the hire.

[Bills92]

On 3/1/2022 at 11:50 AM, BarleyNY said:

 

 

44 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

You could also argue that Daboll got lucky to have Josh as prior to coming here he was a less than spectacular OC in the NFL. Personally I don't mind Judge as hate when OC and QB coaches are one in the same. As think it's good that both positions are separate as gives a QB another person in the room. I'm really interested though more in the role that Mike Shula plays. 

This. 

 

Dabs had limited to no success other then coaching for the Pats (Brady) and Alabama (33rd NFL Team).  Loved Dabs.. but to underestimate what impact JA17 had on Dab's success is like denying Belichik's success because of Tom Brady.   Truth of the matter, both make each other greater.. and that JA17 campaigned for Dorsey, and, now it's 'spiced' up with Joe Brady.. who has had exposure to Joe Brr...  I tend to believe that this offense is going to a next level of efficiency.

 

Go Bills!

[eball]

40 minutes ago, hemma said:

I thought it was a declarative sentence, but in matters of grammar, I’ll always defer.

 

Call me crazy, but how about titling the thread "QB Coach Joe Brady; what's his role with Josh?"

[First Round Bust]

1. met tons of willie and mary grads, with the son being one, beyond uber smarts, always impressed with the presence and awareness they have working for them.

 

2. I would assume the approach is to look at film with Dorsey (who hired him) and see what worked and what did not, then get to know Josh slowly but surely...Josh is now a young vet, gifted with uber athleticism, as well as presence and awareness.  Josh signed-off on this hire as well, I bet he spoke to his buddy Sam Darnold to get the inside scoop.  So Josh approved it, Dorsey was good with it and McClappy likely agreed only after their input rather than his alumn connection.

 

There also are assistants, assist qb coach as well, so that is another personality in the room, on the practice field, working with the qbs in lesser role etc

 

Brady has had his ups (LSU) and downs (Carolina), so did Daboll, who at the pro level had more downs outside of working for the Pats during the Brady heydays. 

 

Daboll benefitted from Brady and Allen, just as Brady benefitted from Burrow.   

 

I think its a good hire, and if this goes well, I wouldnt be surprised if Dorsey gets a HC position in the next year or two, and Brady would likely become a hot OC candidate, hopefully ours.

 

The benefit the qb coach also seems to be coaching depth, as its a passing league and with qb being the most important position, having-grooming an in-house replacement is key to business-football success and sustainability.

 

Further, lacking minorities in this kind of a position doesnt help develop the chops to be considered for HC positions...

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[hemma]

6 minutes ago, eball said:

 

Call me crazy, but how about titling the thread "QB Coach Joe Brady; what's his role with Josh?"

Been here for a few years, but this is my 1st thread.  

I don’t see a way in the gui to git er done.

[DrDawkinstein]

I like the hiring now, at this point when Josh is already well into his development, than if he were brought in earlier. Likely less about his technique and more about expanding his knowledge and reading defenses, etc.

1 minute ago, hemma said:

Been here for a few years, but this is my 1st thread.  

I don’t see a way in the gui to git er done.

 

Go up to your original post, the ... in the upper right, and select Edit.

[billsfan1959]

1 hour ago, hemma said:

This is a question, not an answer.  I understand he’s very young & has had mixed success in college/pros.

 

I am wondering what you more learned football scholars envision as to his importance & his role, particularly with Josh.  I am pretty fuzzy on the issue.

Wondering if he’s the equivalent of teats on a boar hawg.

 

Thanks

 

By all accounts, Brady is an exceptionally bright guy. He had his first real assistant coaching experience as an offensive assistant under Sean Payton and working with Drew Brees for two years before going to LSU as the passing game coordinator. He did win the Frank Broyles Award as the nation’s top college assistant, albeit with an absolutely stacked offense. He didn't do that well in Carolina, but he was young (the NFL’s youngest offensive coordinator when he went to Carolina) and didn't have great offensive talent to work with. While he didn't do great his first year,  apparently, he was still thought of as someone with a bright offensive mind and a future in the league - he interviewed with five teams for head coaching positions after his first year in Carolina.

 

I believe they think Dorsey will do well with his familiarity with the offense and the players, and they may very well be in a similar position in a couple of years where Dorsey may be looked at for a head coaching position. But, they did lose some real experience around Josh. I think they look at Brady as someone who brings some offensive experience to the room, particularly given the vacancy left by the departures of Daboll, Webb, and Trubisky. - as well as someone that they can grow in the same system, with the potential to move into Dorsey's spot if things go very well and Dorsey moves on.

[Buffalo Boy]

   The price of success is your team gets raided and you have to constantly replenish your depth, both players and coaches.

   Brady had interviews with a few teams for HC so there is definitely some There there. 
    Not sure what his actual roll will be but he seems like a decent hire.

    

[Rochesterfan]

We will see, but from everything said - his role is similar to Dorsey the last 2 years.  Be a sounding board for Josh on the sidelines and another set of communication between the QB and the OC to make sure both are seeing and hearing the same thing.

 

Be the on the sideline coach to go through things with Josh and make sure he is getting what he needs.  
 

He has experience as an assistant, an OC in college, and an OC in the Pro’s (with varying success) - so I am sure if he sees something that might work from a different viewpoint - share that info.

 

The final thing I would expect is that he will be a helper to make sure Dorsey in his first role as OC does not overly complicate things.  I think that is what Shula is there for also.  A couple of guys that can help ensure that the offense rolls and the players and coaches are on the same page.

 

 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

2 hours ago, BuffaloCajun said:

Do we not remember he also served on Sean Payton's staff as Offensive Assistant in New Orleans prior to his stint at LSU. 

Curious.Do you mean this to be a positive statement as in he may have learned from one of the better coaches in the NFL? Or a negative as in Marrone also served on Payton's staff and has been hired multiple places never really having great success at any of them.

Any chance he can help remind Bass to squib it or help align the defense in crunch time?? That likely would help more than anything he will do with Josh.

Sorry could not resisit.

 

[Rc2catch]

His role is similar to Mitch last year imo. 
He’s here to work and build his resume back up after being fired. What better way than getting attached to what should be a top ranked offense and quarterback? 

[hemma]

5 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

His role is similar to Mitch last year imo. 
He’s here to work and build his resume back up after being fired. What better way than getting attached to what should be a top ranked offense and quarterback? 

 

Jeesh, I dunno.  I never had the feeling that Beane was that much of a Good Samaritan.

Gotta pull that oar.

[GunnerBill]

Another pair of eyes and ears for Josh. While he hasn't run exactly this system before there is some read across scheme wise between the E-P that Brees and Payton ran when he was an assistant in New Orleans. 

 

We shouldn't forget he has called more NFL plays than our OC at this point. It is about having smart people in the room to make sure the transition to Dorsey goes smoothly and obviously the Bills think he is a talented football coach. 

[Patrick Duffy]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Another pair of eyes and ears for Josh. While he hasn't run exactly this system before there is some read across scheme wise between the E-P that Brees and Payton ran when he was an assistant in New Orleans. 

 

We shouldn't forget he has called more NFL plays than our OC at this point. It is about having smart people in the room to make sure the transition to Dorsey goes smoothly and obviously the Bills think he is a talented football coach. 

Fully agree. This is pretty much best way to describe it

[Seoulofstone]

I don’t know what to make of Joe Brady as an OC after his two seasons in Carolina. He had two QBs in Bridgewater  and Darnold who had plenty of flaws. He relied too much on CMC making the Panthers one dimensional at times and he got a good first season from Robbie Andersen then a big regression. He was the guy who got the best out of Curtis Samuel-again one season. What was surprising was how predictable and unimaginative he could be, the opposite of his reputation in NO and LSU. 

[ganesh]

I think the leash will be short on Ken Dorsey.   Joe will take over (and very capable) if Dorsey falters

[BigAl2526]

6 hours ago, BillsfaninSB said:

I think it is more about scouting the opposing defenses and providing information/tendencies from a QB perspective as opposed to giving Josh pointers on throwing the ball. 

This makes a lot of sense.  During the season at least, I presume that it's not the best time for trying to tinker with fundamentals and mechanics.  

[Patrick Duffy]

21 minutes ago, ganesh said:

I think the leash will be short on Ken Dorsey.   Joe will take over (and very capable) if Dorsey falters

Hmmmmm, I mean Dorsey would have to really, really do awful and I can't see that. With the weapons on this offense he has everything anyone could ask for to be successful. 

 

 

[Punching Bag]

I suspect it is film break down showing on film when he is not using good form, etc.  Keeping him on track to be successful and keeping his lessons from coaching guru in mind.  During game but specific things why if he had used good form that ball would not have gone high or he could have made throw he was trying to fit in small windows.

[chongli]

5 hours ago, eball said:

 

Call me crazy, but how about titling the thread "QB Coach Joe Brady; what's his role with Josh?"

 

Perhaps I shouldn't bring this up, but I am always interested in points of grammar, punctuation, spelling, etc. Is there a reason you recommended a semicolon (;) above, and not a colon (:)? I assume this was just an innocent typo.

[billybrew1]

I love our offensive coaching staff with four, count ‘em, four current or former offensive coordinators.

I’m sure Ken Dorsey is experienced enough by now that all three of the other OCs have their job outlines clearly laid out.

I’m one of the few that even appreciates the Shula hire. I agree that he will be breaking down defenses a week in advance to prepare the rest of the coaches for the battle ahead.

 

I just hope the defense makes some adjustments for when we play elite QBs. We have to get pressure on QBs, that’s the whole story. That crap we tried to do vs. KC was completely worthless. We played a very similar defense two years in a row and it’s up to these coaches to know they have to do something different. Step one was free agency where we signed five new defensive linemen including a good pass rusher in Von Miller. It is interesting to note that the DTs we signed all have some pass rush skills and/or pocket crumbling capabilities. Combine all that info with the fact that we rightfully decided to sink or swim with those three high draft picks at end. All of this says to me that we are going to play our DL different than in year’s past. We will line Von in a wide nine. We will create a roll for Bernard on third and ten or more to rush the passer by the playoffs if he stays healthy, imho… We’ll stop pushing OTs into the QB so much… We will try to hit the QB more than we have in the past.  I also think Bernard might be used to spell Von on a casino. Again, third and very long…

At least I hope we try new ways to disrupt a QB and we play more aggressively. Elam is going to be a huge hit and he will add great speed to our once, not so fast defense backfield. Our slowest corner is now our fastest. He’s big and mean as well. Can’t wait to see the kids this summer!

[Hapless Bills Fan]

6 hours ago, hemma said:

Been here for a few years, but this is my 1st thread.  

I don’t see a way in the gui to git er done.

 

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[Sierra Foothills]

 

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Another pair of eyes and ears for Josh. While he hasn't run exactly this system before there is some read across scheme wise between the E-P that Brees and Payton ran when he was an assistant in New Orleans. 

 

We shouldn't forget he has called more NFL plays than our OC at this point. It is about having smart people in the room to make sure the transition to Dorsey goes smoothly and obviously the Bills think he is a talented football coach. 

 

Agree and would add... this is not a Mom and Pop organization any more.

 

1) As one of the best organizations in the league (have you looked at their personnel department?) you can bet your bottom dollar that the Bills vetted Brady deeply. 

 

2) This team is stacked with highly-credentialed people in every department. Besides the fact that Brady was the Panthers OC:

• Rob Boras was the Rams OC
• Mike Shula was the Bucs, Panthers, and Giants OC
• Aaron Kromer was the Bears OC

It would actually be ridiculous to not give the Bills the benefit of the doubt on this hire. For God's sake, they're a team with 4 former OCs in addition to their current OC. Hiring Brady added to what was already an embarrassment of riches.

[hondo in seattle]

My understanding of a QB coach in general (not Brady in particular) is that they do things:

 

(1)  Work with the QBs, particularly in the offseason/preseason, to make sure they understand the playbook and the offensive scheme.  When running drills, they'll coach the QB to throw to the right guy at the right time given the play-call and circumstances.

 

(2)  Work with the QBs during the playing season to make sure they understand their opponent: scheme, proclivities, players, weaknesses and so on.

 

As I understand it, most QB coaches do very little work on things like accuracy and biomechanics - though some do more.

 

Some, I'm told, are also good at teaching the leadership aspect of the QB position.  

[Chandler#81]

His role? Get coffee. Cover for Josh when Brit calls looking for him. Get ice cream. Designated driver. Body guard.

 

[hemma]

2 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

His role? Get coffee. Cover for Josh when Brit calls looking for him. Get ice cream. Designated driver. Body guard.

 

 

Kind of a butler but gets to wear sweatpants.

Oh man I want that job.  I can iron.

[John from Riverside]

Rubs goatsmilk on his hammies?

[machine gun kelly]

I don’t understand the question.  I understand this is you’re first thread, but do you not know what is the role of a QB  Coach?  Do you need help on NFL 101 on every QB Coach in the entire league.  He has lots of experience with Carolina, New Orleans, and a too SEC program in LSU.

 

Whats you’re real question as you make no sense.  Are you questioning his qualifications or what is the role as there are a lot of NFL audiobooks on what coaches do in this league.

[hemma]

43 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

I don’t understand the question.  I understand this is you’re first thread, but do you not know what is the role of a QB  Coach?  Do you need help on NFL 101 on every QB Coach in the entire league.  He has lots of experience with Carolina, New Orleans, and a too SEC program in LSU.

 

Whats you’re real question as you make no sense.  Are you questioning his qualifications or what is the role as there are a lot of NFL audiobooks on what coaches do in this league.

I was asking what he specifically would do with someone as gifted and on top of his game as Josh.

 

I’ve received a variety of responses, most of which were helpful.

Yours? not so much.

[JoPoy88]

On 5/5/2022 at 2:41 PM, hemma said:

This is a question, not an answer.  I understand he’s very young & has had mixed success in college/pros.

 

I am wondering what you more learned football scholars envision as to his importance & his role, particularly with Josh.  I am pretty fuzzy on the issue.

Wondering if he’s the equivalent of teats on a boar hawg.

 

Thanks

i mean, I wouldn’t call his success “mixed” across college and pros. Yes, he failed in carolina as an OC; that won’t be his job here. He’s looked pretty impressive otherwise. Maybe that was a result of circumstances, especially at LSU, but let’s wait and see.