Mock draft has Bills trade next years round 1 + , to move up in first - Too much?

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, RyanC883 said:

 

I’m not sure if the 13 second were the D roster or the prevent D that was called!   Poyer so far off the line.  An elite CB will help, but I’m not trading 2 firsts unless the D play calling improves.  

 

But if a DB like Gardner is on the field, do we even end up in the 13 second situation? Or does this 6'2" elite talent help prevent Hill taking it to the house or any of the other TDs scored on a backfield lead by Levi Wallace, and we have the game wrapped by the 2 min warning?

[Dopey]

4 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

I’m not sure if the 13 second were the D roster or the prevent D that was called!   Poyer so far off the line.  An elite CB will help, but I’m not trading 2 firsts unless the D play calling improves.  

IMO, play call. There's a video clip of Travis telling Mahomes the seam is open if they call the same play. Fan of McDermott, but...

[Inigo Montoya]

1 minute ago, RyanC883 said:

 

I’m not sure if the 13 second were the D roster or the prevent D that was called!   Poyer so far off the line.  An elite CB will help, but I’m not trading 2 firsts unless the D play calling improves.  

 

We could kick those 13 seconds around for the next ten years and never figure out how the hell that happened.  I personally still don't like thinking about it, it still makes me feel like I got punched in the gut.  Maybe a healthy Tre in the game makes the difference?  We'll never know.  

 

Getting another Tre White on the roster would surely increase the margin of error for this team though.  If McDermott believes there is another Tre in this draft, I wouldn't have any issue with Beane going up to get him.  

 

[Chas56]

The Bills traded a ton for Sammy. What did that get us? I’d love to have a great #2 corner, too, but sticking near the allotted picks each year seems more prudent than trying to catch lightning in a bottle.

[whorlnut]

Can’t miss prospects sound good, until they “miss”. There is no such thing as a sure thing…you think the Saints would still give up all they did to go get Marcus Davenport?  

[DrDawkinstein]

4 minutes ago, Chas56 said:

The Bills traded a ton for Sammy. What did that get us? I’d love to have a great #2 corner, too, but sticking near the allotted picks each year seems more prudent than trying to catch lightning in a bottle.

 

We traded a ton for Sammy when we had EJ and Kyle Orton at QB. Of course it failed.

 

We traded a similar amount for Diggs with Josh at QB, and it's worked out pretty well.

 

Completely different teams. Cant compare to old trades in a vacuum.

[Inigo Montoya]

5 minutes ago, Chas56 said:

The Bills traded a ton for Sammy. What did that get us? I’d love to have a great #2 corner, too, but sticking near the allotted picks each year seems more prudent than trying to catch lightning in a bottle.

 

Hey Chas,

 

No doubt about it that Sammy was a big swing and a miss.  I have more faith in Beane than Whaley though.   It should be an interesting Draft night.  

 

🍻

 

 

[Bobby Hooks]

At first glance it seems like too much, but if you look at the next pick they mock us Christian Watson. 
 

I’d be good with that draft. 

[Airseven]

Big cap teams can't be punting R1 picks. Need those rookie deals for starting caliber players.

[cle23]

52 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

What about a 5 year rookie deal at WR?  Who do we have after this year besides Diggs and Davis?  And there is prob now way we can keep both of them beyond this year. We can’t have 45-50 million a year tied up into 2 receivers. 

 

Unless Davis has a HUGE year there is no way he is commanding top of the league money next year.  Plus, he is under contract for 2 more years, not 1.  The dude had an amazing postseason but has been under 600 yards 2 years in a row.

[SCBills]

24 minutes ago, Chas56 said:

The Bills traded a ton for Sammy. What did that get us? I’d love to have a great #2 corner, too, but sticking near the allotted picks each year seems more prudent than trying to catch lightning in a bottle.

 

Gardner would be drafted to be a dual #1 CB.

 

Not that I'm thrilled with this idea, but this isn't a #2 CB we're talking about. 

[DrDawkinstein]

5 minutes ago, Airseven said:

Big cap teams can't be punting R1 picks. Need those rookie deals for starting caliber players.

 

Tell that to Les Snead.

[JaCrispy]

[OldTimer1960]

Given that they have manipulated almost every contract that they have to free up cap space, I am not keen on trading picks from next year, if we can avoid it.  My view is that the Bills are unlikely to be able to sign any free agents next year and quite possibly will lose some important pieces to free agency next year, so the draft will be the only real way to acquire talent for backfilling losses or upgrading weaknesses.

 

I am not completely against trading picks from next year, particularly if the idea is to get Gardner so that they can trade White to free up cap space.  It does seem risky to me to be trading high picks from 2023.

[mjt328]

I like the idea of moving up.... but not the idea of trading away a 2023 first round pick.

We didn't even give away two 1st rounders in moving up for Josh Allen.

 

In my opinion, our best bet is to add another veteran cornerback with starting experience.

Some have floated the idea of trading for James Bradberry.  That would work.

There are rumors we are interested in signing Stephon Gilmore.  That would work.  

 

If we can go into April 28 without any glaring holes on our roster, we can pretty much sit back and let talent fall to us at #25.  Looking at the numbers, a very good cornerback, wide receiver or guard is certain to drop.  But if we are pigeon-holed into one position, we could be forced into a trade-up or missing out.

 

[hjnick]

We have ALOT of contracts coming up in the next couple of years and we are going to need cheap players to fill holes when we resign Oliver, Diggs, Davis, Edmunds (not saying we resign them all). 
We need as many chances to pick good players in the draft. Going up to get sauce takes away picks that we need to fill upcoming holes. 
 

I’d draft a WR in the first, just for the 5th year option. DB and RB are priority after that.

 

Sometimes we get so caught up in the first round that we need to get good players in the majority of the rounds to  maintain a strong Bills team. 
 

Keep the picks.

[whorlnut]

46 minutes ago, cle23 said:

 

Unless Davis has a HUGE year there is no way he is commanding top of the league money next year.  Plus, he is under contract for 2 more years, not 1.  The dude had an amazing postseason but has been under 600 yards 2 years in a row.

Ummm…I said “after this year”…meaning this coming year. I know we have him for two full years. 
 

It’s def not outside of the realm of possibilities that Davis won’t command upwards of 20 million once he’s eligible. This WR market has been totally reset and we have no idea where it will be in a couple years. 

[Tanoros]

2 hours ago, Desert Bills Fan said:

New York Upstate has the scenario where we trade this years 1st and 3rd plus next years 1st and 5th, to move way up and get DB Sauce Gardner! 
That is a lot , and I don’t watch much college ball, but the pundits think he is great. I think this would be a good deal to go along with the moves already made, all in for this year (and the next couple). We definitely need cornerback help, and not many draft picks will make an impact on this team, but seems the sauce could. 
 

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2022/04/nfl-draft-2022-bills-find-missing-ingredient-add-sauce-to-secondary-in-big-trade-mock-20.html

 

what do you think? Too much for a DB position?

This draft doesn’t have very much elite talent, so it doesn’t make sense to move up to get a top tier prospect who wouldn’t even be top tier most drafts. 
 

Cheap starters are going to play a pivotal role moving forward, so trading 1st round draft picks should be as a last resort type of thing. We should have good options at corner at pick 25 and the difference between what our options are at 25 vs what it costs to move up, isn’t enough to make it worth it. Most mocks have Kyler Gordon available at 25, and I’d love him as the pick. 
 

I’d be very shocked if we move up in the first. If we do, I’d be even more shocked if the move up was more than a handful of spots. 

[Max Fischer]

It makes no sense.

 

First, Bills would need to assume Gardner is a can't miss prospect. 

Second, that Gardner is THE key to a Super Bowl this year. 

Third, there are no other good options at CB (even by the third round)

Fourth, the Bills have exhausted all other options to give up a 2023 first and third for other assests.  

 

On the surface, none of these can be reasonably considered true. 

[Einstein's Dog]

1 hour ago, mjt328 said:

In my opinion, our best bet is to add another veteran cornerback with starting experience.

Some have floated the idea of trading for James Bradberry.  That would work.

There are rumors we are interested in signing Stephon Gilmore.  That would work.  

 

If we can go into April 28 without any glaring holes on our roster, we can pretty much sit back and let talent fall to us at #25.  Looking at the numbers, a very good cornerback, wide receiver or guard is certain to drop.  But if we are pigeon-holed into one position, we could be forced into a trade-up or missing out.

 

It may be that they can wait on CB until after the draft.  Outside of the two extreme CB fill-ins you mention, there are a lot of veterans still available.  Nelson/Fuller/Rhodes/Callahan/Haden/Jenkins/Buoye/Sherman

 

The FO may be waiting to have one of their choices drop into a predetermined Beaner range - say around $3-4M and still be an upgrade over the departed Wallace.  The Miami debacle of paying stupid money for a CB, that we roast regularly, probably pushed the time frame of good value for CBs back a little.  

 

Just because we don't have one at draft time does not mean we are pigeon-holed into drafting for need.  We would not be forced to trade up.  God I hope that doesn't happen.  The OP is a nightmare to me, trading up in panic mode for a CB.  Get the best WR available and keep the first 3-4 rounds for players to be worked into lineup on rookie contracts.

[Bill from NYC]

3 hours ago, Desert Bills Fan said:

New York Upstate has the scenario where we trade this years 1st and 3rd plus next years 1st and 5th, to move way up and get DB Sauce Gardner! 
That is a lot , and I don’t watch much college ball, but the pundits think he is great. I think this would be a good deal to go along with the moves already made, all in for this year (and the next couple). We definitely need cornerback help, and not many draft picks will make an impact on this team, but seems the sauce could. 
 

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2022/04/nfl-draft-2022-bills-find-missing-ingredient-add-sauce-to-secondary-in-big-trade-mock-20.html

 

what do you think? Too much for a DB position?

Are you trying to put me in the hospital?

[Desert Bills Fan]

Great responses , discussions and viewpoints posted here!
I am of the opinion now that the Bills should sign a veteran CB and keep the picks. But if they aren’t comfortable with what is available being in starting lineup for the early games, then by all means pull the trigger on this kind of trade.

I am concerned that the current CB room is not “Championship Caliber”, 
will be interesting to see how this plays out!

[Bill from NYC]

4 minutes ago, Desert Bills Fan said:

Great responses , discussions and viewpoints posted here!
I am of the opinion now that the Bills should sign a veteran CB and keep the picks. But if they aren’t comfortable with what is available being in starting lineup for the early games, then by all means pull the trigger on this kind of trade.

I am concerned that the current CB room is not “Championship Caliber”, 
will be interesting to see how this plays out!

I want to help you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome

 

[Aussie Joe]

Giving up all those picks to move up for a freaking CB?

 

You have got to be freaking kidding me!

 

 

[GolfandBills]

3 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

Giving up all those picks to move up for a freaking CB?

 

You have got to be freaking kidding me!

 

 

That more than what the Rams gave up for Ramsey 

[MJS]

3 hours ago, ControllerOfPlanetX said:

If he’s Tre White ll and you win a Super Bowl or two,  then not too much.

Tre White was picked 27th overall in his draft.

 

Just pick the best player you can. No sense in selling the farm to trade way up for a player who might turn out to be a bust anyway.

 

Don't get fixated on any one player in the draft unless you need a QB.

[Orlando Tim]

I could see swapping first rounders this year and sending this and next year's second rounds along with a 5th this year but Beane values those picks for cheap labor, and next year it will matter even more so when have to defend our trophy 

[Bill from NYC]

24 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

Giving up all those picks to move up for a freaking CB?

 

You have got to be freaking kidding me!

 

 

Some people really do enjoy pain.

 

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/masochism

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

4 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

It's hard to get over how last year ended as it really was a great opportunity to win a Super Bowl, but this season is probably going to be as good as it gets for a while in the AFC as far as the Bills making a Super Bowl. 

 

-Watson will likely miss part of the year in Cleveland

-New regime in Miami will take some time to find their grove with a talent loaded roster

-Chiefs will have to adjust offense to not having Tyreek

-Wilson will need some time to get used to his new offense.

-Burrow will probably keep getting better as the years go on, better to face him now than later.

-Herbert is in the same situation as Burrow, and I expect him to keep getting better

You forgot the Jets!

😠

[Garrett Williams]

Have they met with Gardner? Is there a topic/post regarding who the Bills have met with?  "Bills Take No Prisoners 22"

[ALF]

I trust the Bill's coaching and scouts when it comes to CB  and scheme. Taking Tre at 27 was not just a lucky pick. Somehow they will sign a vet.

[Bill from NYC]

1 hour ago, ALF said:

I trust the Bill's coaching and scouts when it comes to CB  and scheme. Taking Tre at 27 was not just a lucky pick. Somehow they will sign a vet.

Correct. It was an idiotic pick to run away from a HOF QB to draft a corner.

 

Edited April 5, 2022 by Bill from NYC

[Garrett Williams]

1 hour ago, Aussie Joe said:

Giving up all those picks to move up for a freaking CB?

 

You have got to be freaking kidding me!

 

 

Is that a no?

[Shake_My_Head]

No way.

[BarleyNY]

I have no problem with making a bold move.  If they can get a real difference maker at a premium position, then the asking price in the article is not too high.  Also, Tre will be 32 in 2027 when a rookie would be coming off of his 5th year option.  His current deal is set to end in 4 seasons. That’s pretty good timing.  The real question is this: Is the difference in players (cornerbacks) available at 7 versus 25 worth the extra picks?  My gut says not in this draft.  I think that a smaller trade up would be the way to go.  But if I thought the difference was that big at 7, then I’d be in. 

[nedboy7]

I say package JA w next years 1st and you can get that CB and HOF QB. 

[DCofNC]

4 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

So we give up as much to get Sauce Gardner as the Rams did to get Jalen Ramsey?  

The contract is the key.

[Mr. WEO]

5 hours ago, Desert Bills Fan said:

New York Upstate has the scenario where we trade this years 1st and 3rd plus next years 1st and 5th, to move way up and get DB Sauce Gardner! 
That is a lot , and I don’t watch much college ball, but the pundits think he is great. I think this would be a good deal to go along with the moves already made, all in for this year (and the next couple). We definitely need cornerback help, and not many draft picks will make an impact on this team, but seems the sauce could. 
 

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2022/04/nfl-draft-2022-bills-find-missing-ingredient-add-sauce-to-secondary-in-big-trade-mock-20.html

 

what do you think? Too much for a DB position?

 

Are you saying the Bills may "aggressively try to move up in the draft"??

 

 

hmmmm 

 

 

[TBBills]

At least it doesn't say "Rumor"

[Jay_Fixit]

5 hours ago, SCBills said:

 

I don't necessarily disagree with going in on Sauce Gardner in a massive trade-up either.  My reasoning is different than yours though... I actually think these few years are as tough as it's going to be.. Burrow & Herbert, and to a lesser extent, Carr, are all SB capable QB's, but unlike Allen & Mahomes, are on rookie/team friendly deals these next few years.  They can load up in ways we can't.

 

That being said, if we trade up for Sauce, I can't say I hate it because he is a difference maker and I don't think we're mortgaging our future by making sure we get difference makers.   It would actually be a refreshing move away from having the most well-rounded/deepest roster albeit absent top end talent some others have.  

 

Given Beane's ability to draft well in Rounds 4-7....maybe we should be more aggressive in moving up for game-changers, because we know our GM can round out the roster with guys like Gabe Davis, Dane Jackson, Matt Milano etc..

Or he could be a giant bust.

 

All mocks are terrible. All of them. But trading this much to move up for a CB when one might be there (if it’s BPA seeing as drafting for need is dumb) at 25 is a bit much. Even for a mock.