Mock draft has Bills trade next years round 1 + , to move up in first - Too much?

[Desert Bills Fan]

New York Upstate has the scenario where we trade this years 1st and 3rd plus next years 1st and 5th, to move way up and get DB Sauce Gardner! 
That is a lot , and I don’t watch much college ball, but the pundits think he is great. I think this would be a good deal to go along with the moves already made, all in for this year (and the next couple). We definitely need cornerback help, and not many draft picks will make an impact on this team, but seems the sauce could. 
 

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2022/04/nfl-draft-2022-bills-find-missing-ingredient-add-sauce-to-secondary-in-big-trade-mock-20.html

 

what do you think? Too much for a DB position?

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

4 minutes ago, Desert Bills Fan said:

New York Upstate has the scenario where we trade this years 1st and 3rd plus next years 1st and 5th, to move way up and get DB Sauce Gardner! 
That is a lot , and I don’t watch much college ball, but the pundits think he is great. I think this would be a good deal to go along with the moves already made, all in for this year (and the next couple). We definitely need cornerback help, and not many draft picks will make an impact on this team, but seems the sauce could. 
 

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2022/04/nfl-draft-2022-bills-find-missing-ingredient-add-sauce-to-secondary-in-big-trade-mock-20.html

 

what do you think? Too much for a DB position?

 

I don't think its too much - windows open lets boogie.  The only issue i have is the 3rd this year.  Just a lot of depth holes and a 3rd can be a quality player somewhere lame like guard, or LB where we're pretty thin.  

[SCBills]

Given we're likely losing 2 of the following 3 (Edmunds, Poyer, Knox) next year - and have our starting LG on a one year deal.. That's a lot of draft capital.

 

Sauce is definitely a potentially elite CB though.  

 

Edited April 5, 2022 by SCBills

[Aurelius]

Too much.  Saints just traded with Eagles to have 2 picks ahead of the Bills.  The saints don’t have CB needs. I think the Bills could still

trade down if they want, but giving up 2 first rounders plus more for that pick is tough regardless about how good Sauce is.  Frankly I think it’s easier to give up Edmunds to actually gain cap space, picks and move up in the class than it is to give up all those picks.  

Edited April 5, 2022 by Aurelius

[78thealltimegreat]

I’d rather not give up next years 1 I’d do a 2 as you can always trade back for a player that may have slipped that another team wants.

But constantly trading next years picks has only worked for the Rams and they where one Jaquiski Tartt fair catch drop in the 49ers game from them blowing the season. 

[Bag of Milk]

I originally thought that any trade up would be for Sauce Gardner.

 

From what I have seen the Bills have not met with him at all.

 

They are doing their due diligence on Kyle Hamilton. Thus, it appears he would be their target on a trade up.

 

 

Edited April 5, 2022 by Bag of Milk

[Inigo Montoya]

It's hard to get over how last year ended as it really was a great opportunity to win a Super Bowl, but this season is probably going to be as good as it gets for a while in the AFC as far as the Bills making a Super Bowl. 

 

-Watson will likely miss part of the year in Cleveland

-New regime in Miami will take some time to find their grove with a talent loaded roster

-Chiefs will have to adjust offense to not having Tyreek

-Wilson will need some time to get used to his new offense.

-Burrow will probably keep getting better as the years go on, better to face him now than later.

-Herbert is in the same situation as Burrow, and I expect him to keep getting better

 

-Lastly, and most importantly, the Bills have a Super Bowl roster right now and an elite QB who is capable of winning it all.  Time is not our ally, the AFC is catching up.  It isn't a Conference with just the Bills and Chiefs anymore.  This thing is wide open and the distance between all these teams is only going to get smaller as the young QBs get better.

 

I'd trade a high pick from next year to get a great player now who can make a difference this year when we have the best chance to win it all.  It's not going all in ala the Rams, but it would be a big move by Beane to show he recognizes that the path to a Super Bowl is only going to get harder moving forward and this year might be our best chance to get it done.

 

[ControllerOfPlanetX]

If he’s Tre White ll and you win a Super Bowl or two,  then not too much.

Edited April 5, 2022 by ControllerOfPlanetX

[Milanos Milano]

3 minutes ago, ControllerOfPlanetX said:

If he’s Tre White ll and you win a Super Bowl or two,  then no...

If Sauce Gardner gets us a Super Bowl or more, then trading 3 1st is worth it. Can’t put a price on a Lombardi. 

[SCBills]

15 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said:

It's hard to get over how last year ended as it really was a great opportunity to win a Super Bowl, but this season is probably going to be as good as it gets for a while in the AFC as far as the Bills making a Super Bowl. 

 

-Watson will likely miss part of the year in Cleveland

-New regime in Miami will take some time to find their grove with a talent loaded roster

-Chiefs will have to adjust offense to not having Tyreek

-Wilson will need some time to get used to his new offense.

-Burrow will probably keep getting better as the years go on, better to face him now than later.

-Herbert is in the same situation as Burrow, and I expect him to keep getting better

 

-Lastly, and most importantly, the Bills have a Super Bowl roster right now and an elite QB who is capable of winning it all.  Time is not our ally, the AFC is catching up.  It isn't a Conference with just the Bills and Chiefs anymore.  This thing is wide open and the distance between all these teams is only going to get smaller as the young QBs get better.

 

I'd trade a high pick from next year to get a great player now who can make a difference this year when we have the best chance to win it all.  It's not going all in ala the Rams, but it would be a big move by Beane to show he recognizes that the path to a Super Bowl is only going to get harder moving forward and this year might be our best chance to get it done.

 

 

Every year is a new year.  I hate the mentality that "this is our best shot"... we don't know that.  Josh Allen is, arguably, the best QB in the league and we have him for the next decade.  

 

I much prefer the Beane approach of sustained bites at the apple, while managing the roster responsibly enough to take a shot on a mega-move for Von Miller when the chance arises, without mortgaging the future of our young QB.

 

This is also the time when Burrow/Herbert/Carr are on low end contracts allowing them to load up on talent... in a few years we will all be in the same boat, with that Josh Allen contract looking pretty, pretty good compared to the likely deals for Burrow, Herbert, Lamar etc..

 

This is a Super Bowl roster with or without Sauce Gardner.  If he's their guy, go get him.. Beane knows we likely need a new LB, S & LG next year so i'm sure he has a plan. 

 

 

 

Edited April 5, 2022 by SCBills

[whorlnut]

I hate the idea of mortgaging the future to move up for a DB. Especially with McDs history of successfully developing that position. We need to continue to build the offense around Allen. Losing that many picks would be a death blow if Diggs becomes and issue and Davis prices himself out of a second deal. 

[Inigo Montoya]

1 minute ago, SCBills said:

 

Every year is a new year.  I hate the mentality that "this is our best shot"... we don't know that.  Josh Allen is, arguably, the best QB in the league and we have him for the next decade.  

 

I much prefer the Beane approach of sustained bites at the apple, while managing the roster responsibly enough to take a shot on a mega-move for Von Miller when the chance arises, without mortgaging the future of our young QB.

 

This is also the time when Burrow/Herbert/Carr are on low end contracts allowing them to load up on talent... in a few years we will all be in the same boat, with that Josh Allen contract looking pretty, pretty good compared to the likely deals for Burrow, Herbert, Lamar etc..

 

 

 

Hey SC,

 

That is definitely the other side of the coin and I can't say that I'm right and you're wrong on this, just differing opinions.  Every year is different, but I think it's fair to say that Cincy, Chargers, and Phins are going to get better.  Cleveland might become a bruiser too if Watson returns to form.  Wilson makes the Broncos legit. 

 

I'm not for blowing up the salary cap like the Rams seem to do every year, but trading some draft capital seems like a reasonable step when we are knocking on the door.  None of us knows what the future holds, but I think it's fair to say that right now we have the most talented roster in football, which to me is all the more reason to push some more chips into the center of the table this year and try to win it all while we have this roster.  The more talent you have the less you have to depend on luck.

 

 

[FlaFitz1]

Going by the draft pick value chart that's what it would take.

 

The 1st this year is worth 720pts and the 3rd is worth 145pts.  So 865pts.

 

The 1st next year if the make the AFC Championship game and lose is 640pts and the 5th would be 23 pts for a total of 663 pts.

 

Combine the 2 years and you get 1528 pts which worth 28pts more than the 1500 the 7th overall is worth.

 

If Sauce is a good as everyone thinks he is he can start right away.  Play zone and help shut down players like Waddle, Hill, Parker and whoever else is added this offseason.

Edited April 5, 2022 by FlaFitz1

[ddaryl]

I'm ok with this move if the Bills really feel Sauce is a difference maker. 2 lockdown Corners in a pass happy league and a stacked Conference. 

Its a bit of a gamble, and educated gamble.... But I would not be upset if it did happen

[GolfandBills]

I don’t see them giving up premium picks and moving up.  They need to get some cheaper contracts in starting positions.  

[ControllerOfPlanetX]

15 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

If Sauce Gardner gets us a Super Bowl or more, then trading 3 1st is worth it. Can’t put a price on a Lombardi. 

 

I meant not too much, not no to the trade.

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, GolfandBills said:

I don’t see them giving up premium picks and moving up.  They need to get some cheaper contracts in starting positions.  

 

Like a 5 year rookie deal at CB?

[GolfandBills]

Just now, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Like a 5 year rookie deal at CB?

You can also get one at 25 and keep all the other picks.  

[SCBills]

Just now, Inigo Montoya said:

 

Hey SC,

 

That is definitely the other side of the coin and I can't say that I'm right and you're wrong on this, just differing opinions.  Every year is different, but I think it's fair to say that Cincy, Chargers, and Phins are going to get better.  Cleveland might become a bruiser too if Watson returns to form.  Wilson makes the Broncos legit. 

 

I'm not for blowing up the salary cap like the Rams seem to do every year, but trading some draft capital seems like a reasonable step when we are knocking on the door.  None of us knows what the future holds, but I think it's fair to say that right now we have the most talented roster in football, which to me is all the more reason to push some more chips into the center of the table this year and try to win it all while we have this roster.  The more talent you have the less you have to depend on luck.

 

 

 

I don't necessarily disagree with going in on Sauce Gardner in a massive trade-up either.  My reasoning is different than yours though... I actually think these few years are as tough as it's going to be.. Burrow & Herbert, and to a lesser extent, Carr, are all SB capable QB's, but unlike Allen & Mahomes, are on rookie/team friendly deals these next few years.  They can load up in ways we can't.

 

That being said, if we trade up for Sauce, I can't say I hate it because he is a difference maker and I don't think we're mortgaging our future by making sure we get difference makers.   It would actually be a refreshing move away from having the most well-rounded/deepest roster albeit absent top end talent some others have.  

 

Given Beane's ability to draft well in Rounds 4-7....maybe we should be more aggressive in moving up for game-changers, because we know our GM can round out the roster with guys like Gabe Davis, Dane Jackson, Matt Milano etc..

[whorlnut]

1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Like a 5 year rookie deal at CB?

What about a 5 year rookie deal at WR?  Who do we have after this year besides Diggs and Davis?  And there is prob now way we can keep both of them beyond this year. We can’t have 45-50 million a year tied up into 2 receivers. 

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, GolfandBills said:

You can also get one at 25 and keep all the other picks.  

 

Not one like Sauce Gardner tho. I hear what youre saying about the 3rd and additional 1st. But Sauce is tempting.

 

Although I'm not sure 2 1sts, a 3rd, and a 5th is enough to move as far up as we'd need to in order to draft him. It's fun to imagine in this part of the offseason.

[Brand J]

No thanks, there are usually more misses than hits in the first round anyway. If someone can guarantee Sauce will be a more athletic Richard Sherman, then sign me up, otherwise just stay pat and pick the player you most believe in; no one has that crystal ball. 

[glazeduck]

Sauce is probably my favorite player in the draft, but that's a LOT to give up for one player. I'm torn on this, if the deal were more a player and a pick or two, I think it'd be a lot easier to stomach...

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, whorlnut said:

What about a 5 year rookie deal at WR?  Who do we have after this year besides Diggs and Davis?  And there is prob now way we can keep both of them beyond this year. We can’t have 45-50 million a year tied up into 2 receivers. 

 

We found Davis in the 4th round. We could/likely trade Diggs for a handful of picks. There are other avenues to finding WRs, who Josh is always going to make look better than they are, than the 1st round.

[GolfandBills]

1 minute ago, JayBaller10 said:

No thanks, there are usually more misses than hits in the first round anyway. If someone can guarantee Sauce will be a more athletic Richard Sherman, then sign me up, otherwise just stay pat and pick the player you most believe in; no one has that crystal ball. 

Woah now.. There’s lots of crystal ball GMs on here 

[whorlnut]

Just now, DrDawkinstein said:

 

We found Davis in the 4th round. We could/likely trade Diggs for a handful of picks. There are other avenues to finding WRs, who Josh is always going to make look better than they are, than the 1st round.

And there are better avenues to getting a CB2 than mortgaging the future to trade up for one. Goes both ways.

[Alphadawg7]

Personally, I love the player, but not a fan of giving up this much to trade up.  Any rookie is a gamble, and when you are going to have a cap strapped team with big contract decisions looming (Diggs, Edmunds, Poyer, Oliver, Devin, Knox, etc) and lots of guys on 1 year deals (Saffold, Crowder, Howard, etc) then I am less inclined to spend a ton of draft assets to get one prospect.  

 

With Allens deal hitting the cap next year, Von's new big deal for next 3 seasons, etc we are not going to be able to keep everyone.  And that means we need to hit on as many draft picks as we can these next few years.  And to do that, you need draft capital.  

 

I am not against trading up for the right player, just this particular trade up is rich where it not only includes next years first, but this years 3rd.  So if we were to move next years first, then I would not want to give up this years 2nd, 3rd, or 4th with it in that same trade.  This is a good draft at positions of need like CB, WR, and IOL in those rounds.  

[DrDawkinstein]

4 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

And there are better avenues to getting a CB2 than mortgaging the future to trade up for one. Goes both ways.

 

Sure, but unlikely that any other CB2 we get is as good as Sauce. And CB doesnt have the help to look good like our WRs do with Josh.

 

I'm not even really for this trade, nor do I think the proposed offering is enough to move up to get him, but I wouldnt hate the move.

 

edit: And honestly, if Sauce is even half of what he's hyped to be, he really becomes our CB1, and gives up flexibility with Tre's deal and maybe trading him or letting him go elsewhere when his deal is up.

Edited April 5, 2022 by DrDawkinstein

[TBBills]

59 minutes ago, Desert Bills Fan said:

New York Upstate has the scenario where we trade this years 1st and 3rd plus next years 1st and 5th, to move way up and get DB Sauce Gardner! 
That is a lot , and I don’t watch much college ball, but the pundits think he is great. I think this would be a good deal to go along with the moves already made, all in for this year (and the next couple). We definitely need cornerback help, and not many draft picks will make an impact on this team, but seems the sauce could. 
 

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2022/04/nfl-draft-2022-bills-find-missing-ingredient-add-sauce-to-secondary-in-big-trade-mock-20.html

 

what do you think? Too much for a DB position?

If the Bills do anything it will be picking twice in the first or 3 times in the first 2 rounds with one being high second.

[whorlnut]

2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Sure, but unlikely that any other CB2 we get is as good as Sauce. And CB doesnt have the help to look good like our WRs do with Josh.

 

I'm not even really for this trade, nor do I think the proposed offering is enough to move up to get him, but I wouldnt hate the move.

You’re kidding right?  Our corners are backed up by the best safety duo in football. If you think they don’t help take pressure off of our corners then I don’t know what to tell you…

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, whorlnut said:

You’re kidding right?  Our corners are backed up by the best safety duo in football. If you think they don’t help take pressure off of our corners then I don’t know what to tell you…

 

Neither will be here much longer.

[Aurelius]

Forget trading picks to move up imo.  Trade heavy contracts that won’t prevent the Bills from winning now and draft in their stead with rounds 1-3 picks.  I don’t want to see the Bills trade Diggs right now, but while I love guys like Tremaine, I think we could get high-level pics and draft another linebacker as well that won’t have us losing a ton of potential to win this season. Don’t want to move Tremaine? Move Epanesa etc. Cut bait and free up cap space for the greatest potential to add to the team.

[thenorthremembers]

So we give up as much to get Sauce Gardner as the Rams did to get Jalen Ramsey?  

[njbuff]

I think a trade down is more likely than a trade up.

 

Maybe Detroit at 32 if they want a QB and feel a little bit of a trade up is necessary.

 

I can see the Bills swapping 25 and 57 with Detroit for 32 and 34. This seems like a more likely trade.

[whorlnut]

1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Neither will be here much longer.

Neither will the receivers. Lots of one year deals and we can’t keep both Davis and Diggs. 

1 minute ago, njbuff said:

I think a trade down is more likely than a trade up.

 

Maybe Detroit at 32 if they want a QB and feel a little bit of a trade up is necessary.

 

I can see the Bills swapping 25 and 57 with Detroit for 32 and 34. This seems like a more likely trade.

This would be awesome!

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, whorlnut said:

Neither will the receivers. Lots of one year deals and we can’t keep both Davis and Diggs. 

 

Right. That's exactly what I'm saying. But Josh will be, which is the point.

 

It's much easier to churn and cycle young WRs when you have a Franchise QB than churning defensive players.

 

Re-sign Davis, re-sign Knox, trade Diggs to recoup some picks we used to land Sauce. Profit.

[Solomon Grundy]

Yes, too much

[Dopey]

We're all in this year, but don't want to have too much rebuilding to do. Our picks this year will be ready next year and beyond. Not a fan, especially with how coach develops dbs in from mid to late picks. If we needed a QB, sure. Glad we're not in that position anymore.

Go Bills!

[Special K]

5 minutes ago, njbuff said:

I think a trade down is more likely than a trade up.

 

Maybe Detroit at 32 if they want a QB and feel a little bit of a trade up is necessary.

 

I can see the Bills swapping 25 and 57 with Detroit for 32 and 34. This seems like a more likely trade.

I'd definitely be down with that trade!

 

As for trading up with next years first....if the Bills do that, there would be a high chance that the Bills would trade Diggs for a first next offseason to get that first rounder back....especially if they trade up for Jameson Williams.

[RyanC883]

47 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said:

It's hard to get over how last year ended as it really was a great opportunity to win a Super Bowl, but this season is probably going to be as good as it gets for a while in the AFC as far as the Bills making a Super Bowl. 

 

-Watson will likely miss part of the year in Cleveland

-New regime in Miami will take some time to find their grove with a talent loaded roster

-Chiefs will have to adjust offense to not having Tyreek

-Wilson will need some time to get used to his new offense.

-Burrow will probably keep getting better as the years go on, better to face him now than later.

-Herbert is in the same situation as Burrow, and I expect him to keep getting better

 

-Lastly, and most importantly, the Bills have a Super Bowl roster right now and an elite QB who is capable of winning it all.  Time is not our ally, the AFC is catching up.  It isn't a Conference with just the Bills and Chiefs anymore.  This thing is wide open and the distance between all these teams is only going to get smaller as the young QBs get better.

 

I'd trade a high pick from next year to get a great player now who can make a difference this year when we have the best chance to win it all.  It's not going all in ala the Rams, but it would be a big move by Beane to show he recognizes that the path to a Super Bowl is only going to get harder moving forward and this year might be our best chance to get it done.

 

 

I’m not sure if the 13 second were the D roster or the prevent D that was called!   Poyer so far off the line.  An elite CB will help, but I’m not trading 2 firsts unless the D play calling improves.