Mock draft has Bills trade next years round 1 + , to move up in first - Too much?

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, GolfandBills said:

You can also get one at 25 and keep all the other picks.  

 

Not one like Sauce Gardner tho. I hear what youre saying about the 3rd and additional 1st. But Sauce is tempting.

 

Although I'm not sure 2 1sts, a 3rd, and a 5th is enough to move as far up as we'd need to in order to draft him. It's fun to imagine in this part of the offseason.

[Brand J]

No thanks, there are usually more misses than hits in the first round anyway. If someone can guarantee Sauce will be a more athletic Richard Sherman, then sign me up, otherwise just stay pat and pick the player you most believe in; no one has that crystal ball. 

[glazeduck]

Sauce is probably my favorite player in the draft, but that's a LOT to give up for one player. I'm torn on this, if the deal were more a player and a pick or two, I think it'd be a lot easier to stomach...

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, whorlnut said:

What about a 5 year rookie deal at WR?  Who do we have after this year besides Diggs and Davis?  And there is prob now way we can keep both of them beyond this year. We can’t have 45-50 million a year tied up into 2 receivers. 

 

We found Davis in the 4th round. We could/likely trade Diggs for a handful of picks. There are other avenues to finding WRs, who Josh is always going to make look better than they are, than the 1st round.

[GolfandBills]

1 minute ago, JayBaller10 said:

No thanks, there are usually more misses than hits in the first round anyway. If someone can guarantee Sauce will be a more athletic Richard Sherman, then sign me up, otherwise just stay pat and pick the player you most believe in; no one has that crystal ball. 

Woah now.. There’s lots of crystal ball GMs on here 

[whorlnut]

Just now, DrDawkinstein said:

 

We found Davis in the 4th round. We could/likely trade Diggs for a handful of picks. There are other avenues to finding WRs, who Josh is always going to make look better than they are, than the 1st round.

And there are better avenues to getting a CB2 than mortgaging the future to trade up for one. Goes both ways.

[Alphadawg7]

Personally, I love the player, but not a fan of giving up this much to trade up.  Any rookie is a gamble, and when you are going to have a cap strapped team with big contract decisions looming (Diggs, Edmunds, Poyer, Oliver, Devin, Knox, etc) and lots of guys on 1 year deals (Saffold, Crowder, Howard, etc) then I am less inclined to spend a ton of draft assets to get one prospect.  

 

With Allens deal hitting the cap next year, Von's new big deal for next 3 seasons, etc we are not going to be able to keep everyone.  And that means we need to hit on as many draft picks as we can these next few years.  And to do that, you need draft capital.  

 

I am not against trading up for the right player, just this particular trade up is rich where it not only includes next years first, but this years 3rd.  So if we were to move next years first, then I would not want to give up this years 2nd, 3rd, or 4th with it in that same trade.  This is a good draft at positions of need like CB, WR, and IOL in those rounds.  

[DrDawkinstein]

4 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

And there are better avenues to getting a CB2 than mortgaging the future to trade up for one. Goes both ways.

 

Sure, but unlikely that any other CB2 we get is as good as Sauce. And CB doesnt have the help to look good like our WRs do with Josh.

 

I'm not even really for this trade, nor do I think the proposed offering is enough to move up to get him, but I wouldnt hate the move.

 

edit: And honestly, if Sauce is even half of what he's hyped to be, he really becomes our CB1, and gives up flexibility with Tre's deal and maybe trading him or letting him go elsewhere when his deal is up.

Edited April 5, 2022 by DrDawkinstein

[TBBills]

59 minutes ago, Desert Bills Fan said:

New York Upstate has the scenario where we trade this years 1st and 3rd plus next years 1st and 5th, to move way up and get DB Sauce Gardner! 
That is a lot , and I don’t watch much college ball, but the pundits think he is great. I think this would be a good deal to go along with the moves already made, all in for this year (and the next couple). We definitely need cornerback help, and not many draft picks will make an impact on this team, but seems the sauce could. 
 

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2022/04/nfl-draft-2022-bills-find-missing-ingredient-add-sauce-to-secondary-in-big-trade-mock-20.html

 

what do you think? Too much for a DB position?

If the Bills do anything it will be picking twice in the first or 3 times in the first 2 rounds with one being high second.

[whorlnut]

2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Sure, but unlikely that any other CB2 we get is as good as Sauce. And CB doesnt have the help to look good like our WRs do with Josh.

 

I'm not even really for this trade, nor do I think the proposed offering is enough to move up to get him, but I wouldnt hate the move.

You’re kidding right?  Our corners are backed up by the best safety duo in football. If you think they don’t help take pressure off of our corners then I don’t know what to tell you…

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, whorlnut said:

You’re kidding right?  Our corners are backed up by the best safety duo in football. If you think they don’t help take pressure off of our corners then I don’t know what to tell you…

 

Neither will be here much longer.

[Aurelius]

Forget trading picks to move up imo.  Trade heavy contracts that won’t prevent the Bills from winning now and draft in their stead with rounds 1-3 picks.  I don’t want to see the Bills trade Diggs right now, but while I love guys like Tremaine, I think we could get high-level pics and draft another linebacker as well that won’t have us losing a ton of potential to win this season. Don’t want to move Tremaine? Move Epanesa etc. Cut bait and free up cap space for the greatest potential to add to the team.

[thenorthremembers]

So we give up as much to get Sauce Gardner as the Rams did to get Jalen Ramsey?  

[njbuff]

I think a trade down is more likely than a trade up.

 

Maybe Detroit at 32 if they want a QB and feel a little bit of a trade up is necessary.

 

I can see the Bills swapping 25 and 57 with Detroit for 32 and 34. This seems like a more likely trade.

[whorlnut]

1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Neither will be here much longer.

Neither will the receivers. Lots of one year deals and we can’t keep both Davis and Diggs. 

1 minute ago, njbuff said:

I think a trade down is more likely than a trade up.

 

Maybe Detroit at 32 if they want a QB and feel a little bit of a trade up is necessary.

 

I can see the Bills swapping 25 and 57 with Detroit for 32 and 34. This seems like a more likely trade.

This would be awesome!

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, whorlnut said:

Neither will the receivers. Lots of one year deals and we can’t keep both Davis and Diggs. 

 

Right. That's exactly what I'm saying. But Josh will be, which is the point.

 

It's much easier to churn and cycle young WRs when you have a Franchise QB than churning defensive players.

 

Re-sign Davis, re-sign Knox, trade Diggs to recoup some picks we used to land Sauce. Profit.

[Solomon Grundy]

Yes, too much

[Dopey]

We're all in this year, but don't want to have too much rebuilding to do. Our picks this year will be ready next year and beyond. Not a fan, especially with how coach develops dbs in from mid to late picks. If we needed a QB, sure. Glad we're not in that position anymore.

Go Bills!

[Special K]

5 minutes ago, njbuff said:

I think a trade down is more likely than a trade up.

 

Maybe Detroit at 32 if they want a QB and feel a little bit of a trade up is necessary.

 

I can see the Bills swapping 25 and 57 with Detroit for 32 and 34. This seems like a more likely trade.

I'd definitely be down with that trade!

 

As for trading up with next years first....if the Bills do that, there would be a high chance that the Bills would trade Diggs for a first next offseason to get that first rounder back....especially if they trade up for Jameson Williams.

[RyanC883]

47 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said:

It's hard to get over how last year ended as it really was a great opportunity to win a Super Bowl, but this season is probably going to be as good as it gets for a while in the AFC as far as the Bills making a Super Bowl. 

 

-Watson will likely miss part of the year in Cleveland

-New regime in Miami will take some time to find their grove with a talent loaded roster

-Chiefs will have to adjust offense to not having Tyreek

-Wilson will need some time to get used to his new offense.

-Burrow will probably keep getting better as the years go on, better to face him now than later.

-Herbert is in the same situation as Burrow, and I expect him to keep getting better

 

-Lastly, and most importantly, the Bills have a Super Bowl roster right now and an elite QB who is capable of winning it all.  Time is not our ally, the AFC is catching up.  It isn't a Conference with just the Bills and Chiefs anymore.  This thing is wide open and the distance between all these teams is only going to get smaller as the young QBs get better.

 

I'd trade a high pick from next year to get a great player now who can make a difference this year when we have the best chance to win it all.  It's not going all in ala the Rams, but it would be a big move by Beane to show he recognizes that the path to a Super Bowl is only going to get harder moving forward and this year might be our best chance to get it done.

 

 

I’m not sure if the 13 second were the D roster or the prevent D that was called!   Poyer so far off the line.  An elite CB will help, but I’m not trading 2 firsts unless the D play calling improves.