Chicken Boo Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 For those who are advocating to trade Diggs after this year, who will be his replacement? The idea here should be to surround Allen with as much talent as possible, not the reverse. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 (edited) You play it out this season - and based on cap numbers, needs, and most importantly if a young guy on a rookie deal emerges as a WR1 (Davis, this year's draft pick?) I think there is a good chance he isn't back in 2023. If I'm looking at this right he would count as 4 million against the cap if released and save us 14 million. If he performs at elite level - you have options. Try and extend - or he's elite trade bait. I think it's 50-50 he's a Bill beyond 2022 3 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: For those who are advocating to trade Diggs after this year, who will be his replacement? The idea here should be to surround Allen with as much talent as possible, not the reverse. Like I just said - I'm not advocating that. A clear WR 1 would have to emerge. Lots can change between now and next March. Edited March 24, 2022 by Big Blitz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein's Dog Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 6 minutes ago, BillsMafi$ said: I do think the draft will be telling in the direction they plan to move with Diggs I disagree, bringing in a round 1 WR is just plain smart. The drafted WR might be more of a hedge on an outrageous Davis demand. I believe Diggs is a core member of this team and you pay him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 (edited) Let's not disarm like the Chiefs and Packers. I get that both teams might have been dealing with players who wanted to go from a SB contender to an also-ran, but why would we want to get rid of our best WR for draft picks that HOPEFULLY could be as good in a couple years from now and probably won't be because Diggs is a top WR in this league? I would make the decision that we are going to pay Knox and Diggs and find a way to make it work. If Oliver and Edmunds need to go next offseason or whenever due to not having $$ to extend then so be it. If I had to choose 2 between Diggs, Knox and Tre White I pick Diggs and Knox. With the rules the way they are and the game the way it is, I would prioritize surrounding Allen with weapons and protection, because the "#1 defense" couldn't stop a nosebleed in the KC game against a top offense. These top offenses have too much talent and speed. Edited March 24, 2022 by TheFunPolice 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 I'd love to keep him. I guess we'll see what Beane can do. If we have to move on from him, that's the way it goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 53 minutes ago, Virgil said: 4 years, 100 mil. Pay him 3 Receptions, 7 yards vs. KC in the playoff game. And we still scored 36 points. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 1 hour ago, ArtVandalay said: Love Diggs... but... he is 29 years old this year. I have reservations about committing stupid money to a 30 year old WR. Do a Von Miller type 3 year deal. Real money for adams and Hill is 22 and 25 mil per year. Do it now use he current deal to message the cap hit. Go get it. Kc is retooling but Hill is a massive blow. Strike now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Just now, Gugny said: 3 Receptions, 7 yards vs. KC in the playoff game. And we still scored 36 points. I’d argue that Gabe doesn’t Gabe if Diggs isn’t on the field commanding the attention he does Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Got to hope he is OK with taking less money to stay on a competitive team. Adam’s and Hill destroyed the WR market but maybe Diggs takes 22.5 to 25 million with a heftier guarantee as opposed to dam near 30 million. If Diggs isn’t willing to take less then play out the year and trade him for a haul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 1 minute ago, Virgil said: I’d argue that Gabe doesn’t Gabe if Diggs isn’t on the field commanding the attention he does Didn't we talk about arguing in public? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wnyguy Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, Gugny said: 3 Receptions, 7 yards vs. KC in the playoff game. And we still scored 36 points. Yeah he's a bum, cut him now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 They have him under contract for 2 more years, it's not "looming". Win a Lombardi this year, then do what's necessary to maintain long-term viability to win a few more... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awwufelloff Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Trade him after we win the superbowl next year before he gets his next big pay day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 1-Adam-12, pay the man.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, wnyguy said: Yeah he's a bum, cut him now. Well that's just silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wnyguy Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Just now, Gugny said: Well that's just silly. So is quoting his stats from the KC game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbfla10 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 11 minutes ago, Gugny said: 3 Receptions, 7 yards vs. KC in the playoff game. And we still scored 36 points. The chiefs gameplan was to take away Diggs and force the Bills to beat them with anyone BUT Diggs. Thats exactly what the Bills did. Without Diggs the Bills arent in that game 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 10 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: Got to hope he is OK with taking less money to stay on a competitive team. Adam’s and Hill destroyed the WR market but maybe Diggs takes 22.5 to 25 million with a heftier guarantee as opposed to dam near 30 million. If Diggs isn’t willing to take less then play out the year and trade him for a haul. Real money that is what each got. They look bigger than are. Rousenhaus pumps out those inflated numbers all the time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 The NFL is at a crossroads when it comes to WRs. On the one hand, they’re getting paid more than ever because of their importance to a successful passing game, which is THE thing that an NFL team needs to have to be successful. On the other hand, due to the proliferation of 7 on 7 leagues and spread offenses and such, more and more of them are coming out every year. Super talented guys who are ready right out of the box. This, in turn, will lead to a DE-valuation of WRs, which we’re already seeing this offseason. So here’s what generally seems to be happening: teams hoping to take the next step on offense are shelling out big bucks for good WRs, trading for them, giving them mega contracts, whatever. Teams who already have a good offense and, most especially, already have a franchise QB (and the financial implications that go with paying one) are saying “we can replace the WR. Our QB and our system will still succeed”. See: Mahomes and Rodgers. So…since the Bills have (and have to pay) Josh Allen, since they’ll need to keep a good team around him and allocate money to more important and less replaceable positions, and since more and more ready, high quality WRs are coming into the league than ever… As much as I love Diggs, I say you draft a couple youngsters to pair with Davis, let him play out his contract (if he will do so without complaint) and then trade him or let him walk. This is the new NFL. WRs are slowly going the way of RBs with regard to replaceability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 5 minutes ago, wnyguy said: So is quoting his stats from the KC game. 3 minutes ago, dbfla10 said: The chiefs gameplan was to take away Diggs and force the Bills to beat them with anyone BUT Diggs. Thats exactly what the Bills did. Without Diggs the Bills arent in that game So you want a $30 million/year decoy. Good plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichRiderBills Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 (edited) Not much looming, apart from he's up for a new deal in 2 years. Diggs has the #5 highest cap hit of any WR in the NFL. He's paid pretty well. We will see if the ridiculous Adams contract sets the market. Would not be the first time the Raiders have gone way off the market and things balanced back out. 28 million per year for WRs who touch the ball 5-10 times per game is not only comical, it's totally unsustainable. If you go back and bring up the historical SB winners and break down how much $ they spend on WRs it does not resonate. Edited March 24, 2022 by RichRiderBills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 1 hour ago, PetermansRedemption said: If you plan to trade him, they better be going WR at 25 this season. Yes. Draft Olave, then win a SB and trade him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 I voted pay him, but honestly I’m OK w/ either. If we trade him away, then it better be for a return close to that for Hill or Adams so we can keep Allen’s Arsenal locked, loaded, & ready to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 I have no problem paying Diggs into his 30s. He loses some speed, slide him into the slot and will beast for a few years too. 1 minute ago, Rico said: Yes. Draft Olave, then win a SB and trade him. What we do at Corner than. Reason we lost to Kc gets bigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 16 minutes ago, Gugny said: Didn't we talk about arguing in public? Sorry Daddy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 37 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: For those who are advocating to trade Diggs after this year, who will be his replacement? The idea here should be to surround Allen with as much talent as possible, not the reverse. We aren't "advocating" for it. We're saying we shouldn't pay him Tyreek Hill money. If that's what he wants, then it's time to move on. Most of us with this opinion are the same ones pounding the table for WR at 25. And if we end up having to trade him next year, we draft another WR high next year. If elite WR's are making mid-level QB money, and we have 40M+ tied up in Allen, we need to be drafting a WR high, minimum, every 2 years. Look what he's done with a RD3 TE and RD4 WR. Give the man a high pick WR for the love of God... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 9 Isles Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Imagine if when a contract was signed it was honoured all the way till the end. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dma0034 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Trade him. But I also wanted the Bills to keep their draft pick and draft Justin Jefferson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 1 hour ago, NewEra said: Play this season out. Win a super bowl. Trade him. I love everything about Diggs, his skill set, his relationship with JA and the team but this is probably the correct take. I'd be open to the possibility of resigning him for close to the 20 mil range(which i doubt he would go for) if the Bills don't resign Edmunds. I dont think we can afford both players next year nor do I think its good to have 80% of your cap tied up in a handful of players 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Voted to trade him. But that comes with many what if’s. If he wants a Hill type contract? No. If he becomes a Hill type diva? No. If we don’t draft a WR this year to potential replace him? No. If we don’t win a SB this year and have one more year of Diggs in win now mode? No. Every what if changes things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, Mat68 said: I have no problem paying Diggs into his 30s. He loses some speed, slide him into the slot and will beast for a few years too. What we do at Corner than. Reason we lost to Kc gets bigger. 2nd round CB works for me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, Mat68 said: I have no problem paying Diggs into his 30s. He loses some speed, slide him into the slot and will beast for a few years too. What we do at Corner than. Reason we lost to Kc gets bigger. We didn't lose to KC because of our CB's.. We lost because Addison/Hughes were the kings of "pressure", no sacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 I don't think he will be looking for 25M. If we can extend for 20ish then let's get it done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 This is stupid. Where's the option to let him play out his contract and walk? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 The salary cap will go up...salaries will continue to go up. What seems absurd today, will be a bargain a year or two from now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 1 minute ago, transplantbillsfan said: This is stupid. Where's the option to let him play out his contract and walk? It just doesn't really happen with star players. Next off-season, the only likely options are extend or trade. I see zero scenarios where he plays a lame duck year with the Bills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 8 minutes ago, The 9 Isles said: Imagine if when a contract was signed it was honoured all the way till the end. Doesn't work that way in entertainment, as revenue is ever-changing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 2 hours ago, CountDorkula said: With seeing these escalating WR salaries and Diggs looking to be paid as a top WR. What do you do? You keep talking with him. I have seen nothing that suggests Diggs wouldn’t be willing to work with the Bills to stay put. He has been a great team mate and has not complained publicly about his contract at all. My guess is both your options are wrong. They work out a nice deal to make him happy, but maintain flexibility. Beane seems to be very open and talks to the guys and has a plan - not worried - go win a SB and then deal with things. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
letsgoteam Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 With 2 years on his contract, lets see where the CAP is at that point. The salary cap might rise enough where a new contract isnt a big deal on the cap in the grand scheme of it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 15 minutes ago, Gugny said: So you want a $30 million/year decoy. Good plan. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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