Baker Mayfield says goodbye to Cleveland (update - Traded to Panthers)

[YoloinOhio]

1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Right, which is why I can't imagine any team offering the Browns any premium picks in a trade.

Yeah Browns have zero leverage 

[Back2Buff]

1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Because not only would he not get paid, he would be fined and lose a ton of money.

 

It's 2022 and the NFL.  Players get what they want.

 

He won't show up, will get traded, and any fines will be taken care of in a contract with new team or in trade.

[KDIGGZ]

Not only is nobody trading for this bum but the Browns might have to give a team a draft pick just to take him lol. So that would make the total compensation for switching to Watson even more. All we've heard from Browns fans the past 4 years is how Baker was the top QB in the 2018 draft and a top 10 QB in the league. Not to mention the dumb commercials. This is karma and I'm here for it 😂

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, Captain Hindsight said:

I think its more knowing the Browns have to unload him now. I'm sure his value isn't super high, but if Matt Ryan is worth a 3rd, so is Baker.

 

The more spots that get filled, they less options the Browns and Baker have

 

IMHO Baker would be worth more than that due to him being younger

[Royale with Cheese]

19 minutes ago, Back2Buff said:

 

It's 2022 and the NFL.  Players get what they want.

 

He won't show up, will get traded, and any fines will be taken care of in a contract with new team or in trade.

 

You just read the quote where a team asked for compensation for Baker Mayfield?  He's not a wanted commodity at all.

[UKBillFan]

6 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

You just read the quote where a team asked for compensation for Baker Mayfield?  He's not a wanted commodity at all.

He is, in fairness - he’s a much better QB than the mocking on here would suggest (albeit not number one in the draft over Josh). What teams don’t want to do is pay the amount the Browns are asking for him.

[Warcodered]

1 minute ago, UKBillFan said:

He is, in fairness - he’s a much better QB than the mocking on here would suggest (albeit not number one in the draft over Josh). What teams don’t want to do is pay the amount the Browns are asking for him.

With how QB driven the league is I think this might be teams just taking advantage of how over the barrel the Browns have positioned themselves on this.

[aristocrat]

 

 

One team out but they have Darnold on the same fifth year option they seem to be stuck with. 

[YoloinOhio]

One dark horse team I could see trading for him is Tampa, since they know they only have Brady for 1 year and I think Arians likes him. But they would need to immediately do an extension, don’t think they could take on the cap hit. 

[muppy]

this is the Ultimate popcorn thread. It is full scale NFL DRAMA. That entire situation in Cleveland  is like a bad movie script for me though. It seems like it is only going to get muddier and more messy the longer it prolongs itself.

 

what a MESS they have created there. I feel for the dog pound fanbase . SMH

[Mat68]

16 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

IMHO Baker would be worth more than that due to him being younger

Baker is the biggest over rated player by the media and players.  He has played on a stacked roster his entire career.  He could not succeed in Cleveland with the #1 oline, Best Rb group, one of the better Te groups, and pretty respectable wide outs.  He is not a top 15 qb to pay him like it makes 0 sense.  He is a bridge qb for Seattle and idk who else.  

33 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

One dark horse team I could see trading for him is Tampa, since they know they only have Brady for 1 year and I think Arians likes him. But they would need to immediately do an extension, don’t think they could take on the cap hit. 

The little cap space they got, they are not wasting on a back up qb.  Bradys last year they will be going all in to win now.  10 to 20 mil for Baker isnt happening.  

[YoloinOhio]

I think he may end up getting up getting cut

[SCBills]

I wonder if the Browns thought there would be a market for Baker when doing the Watson trade?...  I'm sure they had an idea, but I want to think they thought they could get back a small piece of the draft capital they gave up (3rd Rounder perhaps) and are now looking at having to eat his cap hit by cutting him or sending another pick out to get rid of his contract. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, KDIGGZ said:

Not only is nobody trading for this bum but the Browns might have to give a team a draft pick just to take him lol. So that would make the total compensation for switching to Watson even more. All we've heard from Browns fans the past 4 years is how Baker was the top QB in the 2018 draft and a top 10 QB in the league. Not to mention the dumb commercials. This is karma and I'm here for it 😂

 

Well, So far, who is without a chair in the QB game of "musical chairs"?

Panthers and Sea-snakes?

 

By the way, pay no attention to the massive -$67M negative cap show for the Seasnakes on Spotrac.  They have some kind of glitch in their cap table which is showing almost every player twice.  I went through with a calculator and I *think* they have about $35M of cap remaining.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

15 minutes ago, SCBills said:

I wonder if the Browns thought there would be a market for Baker when doing the Watson trade?...  I'm sure they had an idea, but I want to think they thought they could get back a small piece of the draft capital they gave up (3rd Rounder perhaps) and are now looking at having to eat his cap hit by cutting him or sending another pick out to get rid of his contract. 

 

I'm gonna guess that the Browns may trade Baker with a clause that has them keeping a good portion of his 2022 salary in exchange for a pick of some sort.

Which would be a better deal for them than cutting him and keeping all the hit of his $18M fully-guaranteed 5th year option.

 

The question is, what team wants to trade for a pouty kid who hasn't yet shown he's "all that" as a Franchise QB, who has probably played a role in getting two different HC's fired, and who probably spurred a huge-money trade for Watson by refusing to "kiss and make up" with his current team - after walking out on his first college team and sitting out a year over some kind of "Who's #1?" dispute?

 

Yes, he undoubtedly has talent and will be 100% fired up to show what he can do, so there's that.

[Magnum Force]

6 hours ago, wjag said:

 

I had not heard the underlined.  If true, that certainly adds to the drama.

Anyway you look at it… Cleveland is a mess right now.  Feel sorry for their fans.  

[Jauronimo]

I'm still shocked the Texans didn't maneuver for him in the trade.  Maybe they'll take him after he gets cut?

[YoloinOhio]

1 minute ago, Jauronimo said:

I'm still shocked the Texans didn't maneuver for him in the trade.  Maybe they'll take him after he gets cut?

I’m guessing they didn’t want his drama since they just finally moved on from their own 

[Jauronimo]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

I’m guessing they didn’t want his drama since they just finally moved on from their own 

What drama are you referring to?

[NoSaint]

2 hours ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Right, which is why I can't imagine any team offering the Browns any premium picks in a trade.

the bigger item at play is if two teams want him and are willing to bid against each other- not as much what the browns think of him

[GoBills808]

3 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

I'm still shocked the Texans didn't maneuver for him in the trade.  Maybe they'll take him after he gets cut?

With the draft compensation they’ll be drafting one for a fresh start

[YoloinOhio]

9 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

What drama are you referring to?

His history of immaturity and obsession with how he’s treated by the media, coaches, etc

Edited March 22, 2022 by YoloinOhio

[RussellDopeland]

Since the market for Mayfield isn't exactly vibrant, maybe the Bills should think about it- he could be this year's Trubisky.

I'd think a trade offer of...maybe Case Keenum, and let's say a 7th rounder, might be enough to get it done.

[Doc Brown]

I hope the Browns have to cut him and eat his salary.  Karma rarely happens but Cleveland will deserve it if does.

[FilthyBeast]

In hindsight it's still pretty surprising that Mayfield went #1 overall and despite all the talk about him playing injured last year the Browns didn't hesitate to move on from him and give up the farm for a guy that could still be suspended for a good chunk of the upcoming season and has even bigger character/off the field question marks that the guy he'll be replacing.

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

18 minutes ago, RussellDopeland said:

Since the market for Mayfield isn't exactly vibrant, maybe the Bills should think about it- he could be this year's Trubisky.

I'd think a trade offer of...maybe Case Keenum, and let's say a 7th rounder, might be enough to get it done.

I think the Bills would rather have Keenum, for the role that he will play. Also, they can’t absorb his salary. The Browns would need to eat almost all of it.

[Jauronimo]

13 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

In hindsight it's still pretty surprising that Mayfield went #1 overall and despite all the talk about him playing injured last year the Browns didn't hesitate to move on from him and give up the farm for a guy that could still be suspended for a good chunk of the upcoming season and has even bigger character/off the field question marks that the guy he'll be replacing.

 

 

How is it surprising he went #1 overall?  Heisman winner, big program, threw for a ton of yards, best resume of any QB in his class.

Edited March 22, 2022 by Jauronimo

[aristocrat]

25 minutes ago, RussellDopeland said:

Since the market for Mayfield isn't exactly vibrant, maybe the Bills should think about it- he could be this year's Trubisky.

I'd think a trade offer of...maybe Case Keenum, and let's say a 7th rounder, might be enough to get it done.

 

So we traded for Keenum, restructured his deal and lowered his cap hit only to trade him back to the Browns for a guy with a 19 millon dollar contract that we would have to restrucure to get under the cap?  Baker has a fully guaranteed deal for next year and would be under no pressure to lower it. He might even play this year as watson almost certainly will be suspended.  Baker could show up and be the big boy and make a trade market for himself if a team finds itself without a qb like the Saints did last year

[Big Turk]

2 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

I'm still shocked the Texans didn't maneuver for him in the trade.  Maybe they'll take him after he gets cut?

 

Didn't want him...honestly how much better is he than Davis Mills? Mills sucked early in the year but he came on and played pretty well down the stretch for them.

[Punching Bag]

4 hours ago, UKBillFan said:

He is, in fairness - he’s a much better QB than the mocking on here would suggest (albeit not number one in the draft over Josh). What teams don’t want to do is pay the amount the Browns are asking for him.

 

Of course not.  Do you have any idea how much it would cost to delouse and remove the stench?

[Greg S]

2 hours ago, RussellDopeland said:

Since the market for Mayfield isn't exactly vibrant, maybe the Bills should think about it- he could be this year's Trubisky.

I'd think a trade offer of...maybe Case Keenum, and let's say a 7th rounder, might be enough to get it done.

 

Their cap situation may not allow it but I wonder if the Giants would make a move to get Mayfield. Jones hasn't exactly proven to be "the guy" and Taylor is nothing special. Mayfield would certainly be an upgrade over those two.

[PromoTheRobot]

 

"We already have one stiff with Sam Darnold."

Edited March 22, 2022 by PromoTheRobot

[Hapless Bills Fan]

 

That's a "nope!" from the Panthers on Mayfield

 

 

[JDubya76]

I am flabbergasted that an average QB with a little personality stank on him is undesirable while a QB with 22 sexual assault civil lawsuits and a suspension hanging over his head has teams throwing picks and money at him and his former team. 
 

“Talent” trumps all. I guess

[Don Otreply]

1 hour ago, JDubya76 said:

I am flabbergasted that an average QB with a little personality stank on him is undesirable while a QB with 22 sexual assault civil lawsuits and a suspension hanging over his head has teams throwing picks and money at him and his former team. 
 

“Talent” trumps all. I guess

We’ll, the NFL, by and large has been morally bankrupt for some time now, so it should come as no surprise to anyone that this sort of thing is SOP. 
 

Do remember billionaires & multi millionaires have a different idea of what is acceptable than the peasant class does…, you know, “ let them eat cake” comes to mind…, 

[Billy Claude]

Baker is a better QB than Wentz or Darnold who also were in  bad contract situations.  The Browns messed up incredibly badly if they end up with a 7th rounder for Mayfield when Wentz and Darnold went for seconds.

 

 

[Low Positive]

10 minutes ago, Billy Claude said:

Baker is a better QB than Wentz or Darnold who also were in  bad contract situations.  The Browns messed up incredibly badly if they end up with a 7th rounder for Mayfield when Wentz and Darnold went for seconds.

 

 

It's all about timing. I guarantee that Washington would rather have Mayfield than Wentz, but they already made their move. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

2 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

We’ll, the NFL, by and large has been morally bankrupt for some time now, so it should come as no surprise to anyone that this sort of thing is SOP. 
 

Do remember billionaires & multi millionaires have a different idea of what is acceptable than the peasant class does…, you know, “ let them eat cake” comes to mind…, 

Haslam's the first with his back against the wall when the revolution comes!

 

[Billy Claude]

1 hour ago, FrenchConnection said:

It's all about timing. I guarantee that Washington would rather have Mayfield than Wentz, but they already made their move. 

 

True, although the Wentz trade was pretty inexplicable even at the time.

[Mr. WEO]

7 hours ago, JDubya76 said:

I am flabbergasted that an average QB with a little personality stank on him is undesirable while a QB with 22 sexual assault civil lawsuits and a suspension hanging over his head has teams throwing picks and money at him and his former team. 
 

“Talent” trumps all. I guess

 

Watson has had one top 10 passing season.  We'll see what happens. 

 

4 hours ago, FrenchConnection said:

It's all about timing. I guarantee that Washington would rather have Mayfield than Wentz, but they already made their move. 

 

 

It' hard to overstate how stupid WFT was for jumping on Wentz so quickly and paying what they did for a guy likely to be cut.  Mayfield would have been better.