RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, PetermansRedemption said: They might want to look at the rest of the AFC before that case stays empty for quite a while. There would be epic games for sure. But I would like Watsons chances. Considering how highly he ranks in QB field of the AFC. His 2020 season was just incredible considering the barren wasteland of talent around him. Give him JT running the rock and that defense in a weak AFC SOUTH. 12 wins should be the minimum. Edited March 11, 2022 by RalphWilson'sNewWar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 29 minutes ago, Blainorama5 said: Ok then. Guess he's mister-super-nice-guy, never-did-any-harm to anyone ever guy now - so teams will start lining up for him. 🤨 They sure will- guys like us would be behind bars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 25 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: Why do people play these kinds of games? Dude wasn’t charged with anything, end of story. That is not the same thing as saying he didn’t do anything bad. All it means is that they did not have enough evidence to indict him as it is a “he says she says” case. That doesn’t mean that he did or did not do anything wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paup 1995MVP Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 23 minutes ago, Beast said: A District Attorney's Office will also present a case to a Grand Jury to be able to say, "there wasn't enough evidence" to indict. This is why there wasn't an arrest to begin with. Both the Police and the DA's Office probably felt it was suspect to begin with but it became a high profile case. Nobody (police, DA's Office) wanted egg on their face when it shook out but they are off the hook and did their due diligence. The whole thing sounded fishy from the start. Young women today are ridiculous. Did they stop putting brains in females who were born after 1995? Seriously all they do is look at their phones and take selfies. Glad I grew up in the 70's and 80's. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 Go to the NFC, life’s easier there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 Just now, OldTimer1960 said: That is not the same thing as saying he didn’t do anything bad. All it means is that they did not have enough evidence to indict him as it is a “he says she says” case. That doesn’t mean that he did or did not do anything wrong. This is true. Which I’ve said he may not be the role model to look up to, but he isn’t under any legal issues so he will likely continue to be employed in the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 Piece of garbage, just like Rapelesburger. I’m so thankful we have our guy…. At he’s a good human being on top of being a unicorn, talent-wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 His stock just jumped up like it was the price of gas. Texans gonna be telling people yesterdays prices isn’t todays price when they call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 4 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: This is true. Which I’ve said he may not be the role model to look up to, but he isn’t under any legal issues so he will likely continue to be employed in the NFL. Agreed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 (edited) 1. This is not unexpected. 2. It doesn't mean the women are lying. It means there is no realistic possibility of proving it beyond reasonable doubt. 3. He will play in the NFL again. It probably won't be 2022. But I expect he will start somewhere on the opening weekend of 2023. Edited March 11, 2022 by GunnerBill 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 I’d hate for him to go to Indy or Pit. TB obviously has no problem with players that flaunt rules like AB, Gronk, and Brady. Bet they’re drooling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 OJ has posted a reward to find the real culprit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 12 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said: They sure will- guys like us would be behind bars. Actually sexual assault is one of the least prosecuted crimes whoever is involved and that is because it is often, as in these cases, one person's word vs another, with no independant witnesses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 39 minutes ago, Process said: He has a no trade clause which rules them out Unless Watson really wanted to go there, which I’m not exactly sure what areas he prefers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 Money wins again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 11, 2022 Author Share Posted March 11, 2022 10 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: 1. This is not unexpected. 2. It doesn't mean the women are lying. It means there is no realistic possibility of proving it beyond reasonable doubt. 3. He will play in the NFL again. It probably won't be 2022. But I expect he will start somewhere on the opening weekend of 2023. You don’t think he plays this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, TBBills said: Money wins again. More like gold digging women just trying to get what looked like an easy pay day 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, TBBills said: Money wins again. Nobody here knows the truth. I’m not going to sit here and be mad at something we cannot prove one way or the other. If you guys want to, feel free. Edited March 11, 2022 by IronMaidenBills 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 12 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: 1. This is not unexpected. 2. It doesn't mean the women are lying. It means there is no realistic possibility of proving it beyond reasonable doubt. 3. He will play in the NFL again. It probably won't be 2022. But I expect he will start somewhere on the opening weekend of 2023. Doesn't mean they are telling the truth either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 1 minute ago, Big Turk said: Doesn't mean they are telling the truth either. Unfortunately some people make up crimes to get attention or money, and it ruins other honest victim’s credibility. Sadly now the courts have to do their best with what information they have. Public opinions will do what public opinions alway do, speculate based off emotions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 This is going to be a feeding frenzy for teams that want a potentially elite QB. This will cause a stir in the QB market. I just wish he would end up in the NFC, which seems unlikely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: You don’t think he plays this year? I think there is still a civil case live and likely an adverse finding that results in an NFL suspension. Whether that is a full year or part of the year hard to say. 5 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Doesn't mean they are telling the truth either. Correct, it doesn't. And the legal position is that Watson is innocent. But I was making the point before people jump in saying "what so 10 women are all lying?" Edited March 11, 2022 by GunnerBill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 Pittsburgh all day... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 My impression is that the plaintiffs were looking to score a neat civil suit "pay it to go away" day from Watsin, and once other interested parties got involved with their own selfish reasons, it spiraled out of their control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: Let the bidding begin ….and let an NFC team win! We have enough good young QB’s in the AFC already! . Edited March 11, 2022 by Augie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 a Panther by Sunday 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I think there is still a civil case live and likely an adverse finding that results in an NFL suspension. Whether that is a full year or part of the year hard to say. Correct, it doesn't. And the legal position is that Watson is innocent. But I was making the point before people jump in saying "what so 10 women are all lying?" Exactly 22 women have accused him. Kinda doubt all of them are lying. And I'm sure there will be a civil case along with whatever the NFL does? He's not out of the woods yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 4 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Exactly 22 women have accused him. Kinda doubt all of them are lying. And I'm sure there will be a civil case along with whatever the NFL does? He's not out of the woods yet. No, he’s certainly not out of the woods. But he’s passed an important hurdle. The funny thing is, something creepy happened, of that I’m sure. What it was exactly, I really don’t think I want to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 50 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: So now this goes away quickly when he threatens to counter sue the accusers for defamation? Looks like he will be back. He can do that, if he wants to. It's a fairly standard tactic. But it's a double-edged sword. It would probably be better to settle with a non-disclosure agreement and no acknowledgement of guilt. 43 minutes ago, msw2112 said: On the criminal side, there is no financial gain for anyone. And while criminal cases are much harder to prove at trial (higher standard of proof), the standard of proof to get a grand jury indictment isn't that high. Thus, if there is no indictment, it makes me think that maybe there's not as much to this as I originally thought. The saying is "a good district attorney could persuade a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich". But if a district attorney/prosecutor does not exercise that power of persuasion, I don't think it follows that "no indictment = nothing to the case". There could be a plethora of reasons, including influence, political, evidentiary, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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nedboy7 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 Well we know our legal system is stellar so this isn’t surprising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 Wonder if Grier back tracks his comment on shutting the door on a Watson trade? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: The saying is "a good district attorney could persuade a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich". But if a district attorney/prosecutor does not exercise that power of persuasion, I don't think it follows that "no indictment = nothing to the case". There could be a plethora of reasons, including influence, political, evidentiary, etc. I agree with this, but it still makes me think that this case isn't the slam dunk it originally appeared to be. I do believe that Watson acted in an untoward way to some women, but I now don't think it's as egregious or widespread as I originally did. Plaintiffs attorneys taking advantage of the potential for great financial gain against a defendant with deep pockets is not a new thing. I say all of this with a giant disclaimer - this is only my opinion. I don't know what Watson did, what he didn't do, and if he did something, how egregious it was. The lack of a criminal indictment makes me think that the fact pattern isn't as damning to Watson as I previously believed. If the facts were extremely strong, even a poor prosecutor would have gotten a criminal indictment. To add to the comment about influence/political reasons, prosecutors and police are less inclined to stick their necks out against a high profile defendant (with a high profile lawyer) if the facts aren't air tight. Nobody likes to lose or look like they are incompetent. On the other hand, if the facts ARE air tight, prosecutors love the limelight provided by winning a high profile case. Legal careers are often made on high profile cases, and beyond legal careers there are book deals, movies, etc. That isn't going to happen here. Edited March 11, 2022 by msw2112 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ControllerOfPlanetX Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 1 hour ago, DapperCam said: I thought that you could indict a ham sandwich? Only if it has cheese and hot mustard on it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 48 minutes ago, TBBills said: Money wins again. how so? It was a grand jury. Only the public and public employees were present. no money involved 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 I still don't think this means Watson is out of the woods and still think any team that would give multiple 1st round picks for him is crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 Houston should at least be able to get a 2nd rounder for him now. I fully expect Miami to get him. Just as an F.U. to Flores. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 11, 2022 Author Share Posted March 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Houston should at least be able to get a 2nd rounder for him now. I fully expect Miami to get him. Just as an F.U. to Flores. But McDaniel has already given Tua a promise ring Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 43 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Exactly 22 women have accused him. Kinda doubt all of them are lying. And I'm sure there will be a civil case along with whatever the NFL does? He's not out of the woods yet. He is out of the woods in the sense that he will now get to continue his career. But there is still a civil case and a suspension. But the "he will never play again" is now for the birds. It might take another year but he will play football again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 1 hour ago, stuvian said: OJ has posted a reward to find the real culprit Between toes and this, you're downright 'straight razor totin' nasty' the past couple of days! 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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