First Round Bust Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Process said: I just randomly looked up Jones stats after seeing this. He has 223 career rushing yards over 11 seasons. That's pretty incredible. Guy hung around 11 years as a special teamer/reserve RB. and killed the Bills in the wildcard gme in Houston with that thrid and long reception that Milano was late getting to over the middle...hmm..the middle...coverage..issue...plus Jones was hurt a lot last season, his 2M+ is going to be used elsewhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Just now, GoBills808 said: I’m sure they have a plan and can pay for everything, I just don’t think Kumerow is value. They will need to sign a depth player like this either way - whether it is him or someone else. Might as well sign the guy who already knows the ST scheme and offense. I’m not sure why he’s considered pricier than another player. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 hour ago, MWK said: Or maybe I don't like wasting what little cap we have on special teams only players who can't do much of anything like Tyler Matakevich Just quit while you’re ahead. Wait. Too late. Just quit. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Ok people. I can't believe we are hearing people quibble about hiring a depth piece who has some value on special teams. If, God forbid, we lose Diggs to injury our current passing targets are Davis, Knox and Beasley (who is shopping for a trade) JK is not my first choice for a WR. But right now he looks like our fifth best passing target in a passing league. I expect that to change in the draft but let's not create a need that we need to reach on. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 22 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Well if it's $2.5M-$3M aav..........then after deducting the league minimum that will reduce their cap space by around $2M. I would expect the Bills will be shopping around actual starting jobs to veteran CB's and DT's for around $5M aav.........crying poor.........so anything over league minimum for Kumerow might be the difference between getting a good veteran at those positions or not. You are making the exact unfounded assumption I was referring to. Kumerow made the most he ever had for a season in 2021. He made $920k. I expect he won’t be making much more this season IF he even makes the team. I also expect zero (or very close to zero) guaranteed money. If that’s incorrect and his pay jumps to triple last year’s salary, then we can all complain. But there’s no reason to think that will be the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 27 minutes ago, SCBills said: I don't mind the Kumerow signing, but I would agree that with Neal/Kumerow, it's a legit argument to wonder why Matakevich/Jones are still on the roster. I don't know if I mind it or not...........I actually assumed he would be back...........I just know that if the signing happened in May it would be for the league minimum and not impact the Bills available cap space. Right now.........the timing would indicate that it is a priority re-sign..........more money and more impact on available cap space. The run-it back...........overpay a bad punter on a long term deal and then a few guys for around league minimum........approach to free agency last offseason didn't address their limited but ultimately impactful shortcomings this past season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said: Punts and kickoffs can't be dispensed with soon enough. All they do is keep non-players.......like Haack, Kumerow, Matakevich and Taiwan...........employed while giving us extra tv timeouts after touchbacks, fair catches and balls rolling to a stop while the clock runs. You realize these changes will force a name change for the game, right? The National Oblong-PointyBall League😲 Edited March 10, 2022 by Chandler#81 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: They will need to sign a depth player like this either way - whether it is him or someone else. Might as well sign the guy who already knows the ST scheme and offense. I’m not sure why he’s considered pricier than another player. They’ll be thin at wideout if Sanders retires and Beasley leaves so while Kumerow makes sense position-wise if I’m GM I’d rather save cap space there…special teams contributions don’t really move the needle for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 7 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: Just quit while you’re ahead. Wait. Too late. Just quit. Sorry. That answer deserves multiple awards. 🤣 🍺 🏆 👍 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: You are making the exact unfounded assumption I was referring to. Kumerow made the most he ever had for a season in 2021. He made $920k. I expect he won’t be making much more this season IF he even makes the team. I also expect zero (or very close to zero) guaranteed money. If that’s incorrect and his pay jumps to triple last year’s salary, then we can all complain. But there’s no reason to think that will be the case. You feel certain he's getting $1M.........if that's the case that's fine..........I think the timing of the signing suggests more. I didn't like the Siran Neal deal either.......but at least with Neal I think there is a possibility of more of a role on defense. Kumerow is like 30. He is all that he is likely to ever be now. I know these guys are good ST'ers but they have 9 picks in the upcoming draft.........probably the most athletic group of players ever to enter the league........they will be able to grab special teamers and coach them up...............but if they are paying just $2M above league average for 4 ST'ers this season that $8M limits their ability to add a difference maker on the offensive or defensive side of the ball. Edited March 10, 2022 by BADOLBILZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake_My_Head Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Excellent. I'd really like to see him get more seam route opportunities like his TD in 2020. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 24 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: That is irrelevant.........the cap was lowered for all teams. It’s not irrelevant at all. The Bills have been right up against the cap for two off seasons now. Putting the cap back where it was pre-Covid would have the Bills about $20M under the cap the past two off seasons instead of right up against it. Two straight off seasons being $20M under the cap is not what I’d consider cap mismanagement. Yes, all teams faced the same thing, but clearly Beane’s cap planning for 2020 and 2021 didn’t factor in a $20M cap reduction. Without it, the Bills would’ve had a lot more space to maneuver the past couple years. To say that it doesn’t factor in or isn’t relevant to the Bills’ cap situation is illogical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicharito Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Great the news will be flooded with Arron Rodgers trade demand story’s now! No “TD Jesus” no play! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PonyBoy Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Chandler#81 said: You realize these changes will force a name change for the game, right? The National Oblong-PointyBall League😲 If we are being geometrically literal It would be called the National Prolate Spheroid League..😀 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 hour ago, BillsDiehard said: We freed up cap space to resign a special teamer!? We love retreads! How about we take that and apply it to signing a decent O-lineman? Geez! Agree 100% !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Just now, PonyBoy said: If we are being geometrically literal It would be called the National Prolate Spheroid League..😀 Thank you, Professor. I stand corrected. But mine is funnier..🤷♂️ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: You feel certain he's getting $1M.........if that's the case that's fine..........I think the timing of the signing suggests more. I didn't like the Siran Neal deal either.......but at least with Neal I think there is a possibility of more of a role on defense. Kumerow is like 30. He is all that he is likely to ever be now. I know these guys are good ST'ers but they have 9 picks in the upcoming draft.........probably the most athletic group of players ever to enter the league........they will be able to grab special teamers and coach them up...............but if they are paying just $2M above league average for 4 ST'ers this season that $8M limits their ability to add a difference maker on the offensive or defensive side of the ball. The minimum for a vet with four accrued years is $1.035M. I expect that to be his contract. I do not believe that he is eligible for a VSB cap credit because he wasn’t with us for those four years. If his contract is a lot bigger than that, then that’s a different story. Edited March 10, 2022 by BarleyNY 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 26 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: So your contention is that this signing will facilitate the acquisition of more above average players at important positions, in a year with limited cap space. Got it. I kinda feel sorry for you, 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, Logic said: It’s not irrelevant at all. The Bills have been right up against the cap for two off seasons now. Putting the cap back where it was pre-Covid would have the Bills about $20M under the cap the past two off seasons instead of right up against it. Two straight off seasons being $20M under the cap is not what I’d consider cap mismanagement. Yes, all teams faced the same thing, but clearly Beane’s cap planning for 2020 and 2021 didn’t factor in a $20M cap reduction. Without it, the Bills would’ve had a lot more space to maneuver the past couple years. To say that it doesn’t factor in or isn’t relevant to the Bills’ cap situation is illogical. I know we have some people on here who can't understand the salary cap.............you obviously being one...........but if you add $20M to the available cap space of every team it doesn't alter the Bills buying power relative to the rest of the league. Salaries would just be higher. It's not that complicated. Keep in mind that the "terrible" cap situation that McBeane claimed to inherit was a team with *only* $30M+ in cap space going into the 2017 offseason. In a market where the buying power is $20M higher per team..........Beane would be in the exact same position he is now relative to the rest of the league.........it's ridiculous to claim that Beane and the Bills were more adversely affected. There is no logic to your line of thinking at all.......which is another example of why I mock your screen name. 😉 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 hour ago, That's No Moon said: Particularly when they focus on it and then it lets them down in the biggest game of the year What, the Coaching Staff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 33 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: I know we have some people on here who can't understand the salary cap.............you obviously being one...........but if you add $20M to the available cap space of every team it doesn't alter the Bills buying power relative to the rest of the league. Salaries would just be higher. It's not that complicated. Keep in mind that the "terrible" cap situation that McBeane claimed to inherit was a team with *only* $30M+ in cap space going into the 2017 offseason. In a market where the buying power is $20M higher per team..........Beane would be in the exact same position he is now relative to the rest of the league.........it's ridiculous to claim that Beane and the Bills were more adversely affected. There is no logic to your line of thinking at all.......which is another example of why I mock your screen name. 😉 Mock all you want. It doesn’t mean much coming from a chronically arrogant know-it-all such as yourself. Have you EVER been wrong about ANYTHING? Tell me something: how many helpful free agents can you sign if you have $0 in cap space? How many can you sign if you have $20M in cap space? Right. Gonna sit here and say that the COVID situation shrinking their cap space from $20M to $0 had no impact on the Bills’ ability to sign players and then accuse ME of lacking logic? Sure, bud. Go try your tired schtick on someone else. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: It is a good question. It is linked to who gets the returner job too. Stevenson will get a shot but man he disappointing as a rookie. I went to one of the early public camp practices and he looked shaky there, feet moving constantly and he had trouble settling under the ball. Hopefully he will put some quality time in this offseason with the jugs machine. Looked to me like he ran a little high and I was worried about him fumbling although I don't remember him fumbling. Some competition needs to be added to the roster anyway, maybe a vet and a rook. Seems like there's plenty of Stevenson clones in the draft this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, MWK said: Or maybe I don't like wasting what little cap we have on special teams only players who can't do much of anything like Tyler Matakevich Then you might want to find a new sport if you have that big of an issue with it because 32 out of 32 teams do this every year. Sign players whose primary role is ST. Edited March 10, 2022 by Alphadawg7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Logic said: Mock all you want. It doesn’t mean much coming from a chronically arrogant know-it-all such as yourself. Have you EVER been wrong about ANYTHING? Tell me something: how many helpful free agents can you sign if you have $0 in cap space? How many can you sign if you have $20M in cap space? Right. Gonna sit here and say that the COVID situation shrinking their cap space from $20M to $0 had no impact on the Bills’ ability to sign players and then accuse ME of lacking logic? Sure, bud. Go try your tired schtick on someone else. If you add $20M to each team's salary cap...........then $20M is just the new zero. The cap is malleable.........right now the Bills project to have $54M in cap room for 2023..........they can easily use that room and space in 2024 etc.. to sign useful players. That will increase with cuts........and go down with the $10M Oliver option.........but it's a pretty good idea of very readily available room to add "useful" players now. The issue is whether or not the Bills self-impose a limit by not re-strucuting deals to push the cap hit into 2023..........in which case careless spending on ST and role players becomes a NOW problem rather than just a bad tendency that limits them over time. Edited March 10, 2022 by BADOLBILZ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthymcnasty08 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 2011: Ralph is cheap! 2022: Another genius move by Beane!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Why are we always trolling Aaron Rogers? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 4 hours ago, MWK said: Or maybe I don't like wasting what little cap we have on special teams only players who can't do much of anything like Tyler Matakevich Can you tell me which teams in the NFL don't have a handful of core special teamers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 27 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Why are we always trolling Aaron Rogers? 'It is better to give than receive'. After all the trolling to icebowl 67 and all the other cheeseheads ("Do I stay or do I go?"), Rodgers deserves it. 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said: If you add $20M to each team's salary cap...........then $20M is just the new zero. The cap is malleable.........right now the Bills project to have $54M in cap room for 2022..........they can easily use that room and space in 2024 etc.. to sign useful players. That will increase with cuts........and go down with the $10M Oliver option.........but it's a pretty good idea of very readily available room to add "useful" players now. The issue is whether or not the Bills self-impose a limit by not re-strucuting deals to push the cap hit into 2023..........in which case careless spending on ST and role players becomes a NOW problem rather than just a bad tendency that limits them over time. IF you had originally typed it out like this, it would of explained the situation the bills are in without the sassy comments lol... that being said you are absolutely correct! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCBillsBeliever Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 5 hours ago, Rhode Island Red said: You and Ralph would’ve been great belly up to the bar, arguing over who pays for the next $3 round of Stroh’s… @Rhode Island Red Nah, they'd be battling over Utica Club; let's not give them too much credit, now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhode Island Red Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, ROCBillsBeliever said: @Rhode Island Red Nah, they'd be battling over Utica Club; let's not give them too much credit, now. Growing up we lived in northern Michigan in the summers; drank Stroh’s cuz they didn’t have Labatt’s up there yet. Dollars to donuts that Ralph drank Stroh’s, though. If I’ve ever had a UC it was probably someone else’s that I picked up by mistake… Edited March 11, 2022 by Rhode Island Red Gobbledygook 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 I'm also against spending money on guys that strictly play Special Teams. That being said, why do we waste money on Punters ? ... we have JA17, no need to punt the ball. Also, I want to be the first to criticize what we've done in FA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ControllerOfPlanetX Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 4 hours ago, FilthyBeast said: Anything to keep him away from Rogers and the Packers I suppose... No..the trade FOR Aaron Rodgers is in the works!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 As long as it's less than $20 mil, I'm ok with it. Touchdown Jesus don't come cheap, nor would I expect him to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 2 hours ago, filthymcnasty08 said: 2011: Ralph is cheap! 2022: Another genius move by Beane!! Because in 2011 this guy is signed and fed to us as our new legit #2 WR lol 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 19 minutes ago, without a drought said: As long as it's less than $20 mil, I'm ok with it. Touchdown Jesus don't come cheap, nor would I expect him to. My sources say 1 year 19.9 million Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 6 hours ago, mushypeaches said: My god, can you imagine the furor that this board would have had around keeping Steve Tasker around for 12 seasons? we don't have anyone even in the same realm of Steve Tasker on this team. I'm not sure any NFL team does. The dude is a HOF player once the HOF realizes special teams exist beyond K and P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Love that we have money to sign mediocre talent, but when real players like Mack are available we don’t even bother. Lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybrew1 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 Kumerow and Shaq! I hope we don’t have to get used to this…. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 6 minutes ago, billybrew1 said: Kumerow and Shaq! I hope we don’t have to get used to this…. Yeah its aweful being one of the 5 best teams in the league every year 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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