Ghs24mike Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 These are the moves that need to be made to have a shot at the championship. All doable. Certainly a fantasy but hear me out. Send a 2023 first round pick to Seahawks for DK Metcalfe Sign Chandler Jones Give up as many picks as it takes to move up for Davis this year. Then find picks and trade up again to get a top CB. Who cares if we only draft two guys. Then we let Phillips walk, Levi walk, Beasley, Mckenzie, Feliciano, Starr all gone. Restructure Diggs and extend, restructure Tre and extend, extend and lower cap hit for Edmunds, extend Morse, extend Oliver with a lower cap hit for next season. We would have almost no holes and might even be able to sign Gronk. 1 3 4 3 6 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NewEra Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 7 minutes ago, Ghs24mike said: These are the moves that need to be made to have a shot at the championship. All doable. Certainly a fantasy but hear me out. Send a 2023 first round pick to Seahawks for DK Metcalfe Sign Chandler Jones Give up as many picks as it takes to move up for Davis this year. Then find picks and trade up again to get a top CB. Who cares if we only draft two guys. Then we let Phillips walk, Levi walk, Beasley, Mckenzie, Feliciano, Starr all gone. Restructure Diggs and extend, restructure Tre and extend, extend and lower cap hit for Edmunds, extend Morse, extend Oliver with a lower cap hit for next season. We would have almost no holes and might even be able to sign Gronk. First time noticing you, welcome to the board. If you think that we have no chance to win the super bowl unless we do all of these things, you’ve earned a spot on my ignore list and should rethink being a football fan, let alone a bills fan. Nice knowing you 2 2 1 3 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 8 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: E A SPORTS It’s in the game. Early contender for post of the year 4 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 Here me out, it is all doable. First I ask my girlfriend for a threesome. Then I follow Jennifer Lawrence on instagram. After that, I do what it takes to get Scarlett Johansen involved. When this all goes down, I make sure that I package all of my assets to make sure that all of this happens on DiCaprio's mega yacht..... 1 13 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBaumer Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 Actually, we had the championship already in the bag if not for 13. That team was the one... 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 16 minutes ago, Ghs24mike said: These are the moves that need to be made to have a shot at the championship. All doable. Certainly a fantasy but hear me out. Send a 2023 first round pick to Seahawks for DK Metcalfe Sign Chandler Jones Give up as many picks as it takes to move up for Davis this year. Then find picks and trade up again to get a top CB. Who cares if we only draft two guys. Then we let Phillips walk, Levi walk, Beasley, Mckenzie, Feliciano, Starr all gone. Restructure Diggs and extend, restructure Tre and extend, extend and lower cap hit for Edmunds, extend Morse, extend Oliver with a lower cap hit for next season. We would have almost no holes and might even be able to sign Gronk. Seattle will get a better offer for DK. Next years first had a value of this years second. Someone will offer better than that for DK whose still on a rookie deal. So your plan is dead in the water right there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunshynman Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 10 minutes ago, Process said: We were the best team in the league last year and should have won the Superbowl if it weren't for coaching errors. We are the Superbowl favorites... literally...right now.... No, we don't need to add Jones, Metcalf and Gronk to have a chance. This place is becoming unbearable. Don't need them to win one. But I think they would help alot! How can anyone argue we don't need a player that will sack the QB? And how can more targets for Josh hurt? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said: Seattle will get a better offer for DK. Next years first had a value of this years second. Someone will offer better than that for DK whose still on a rookie deal. So your plan is dead in the water right there. 2022 is his last. Nobody is giving a first straight up without a contingency for an extension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybrew1 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 44 minutes ago, Ghs24mike said: These are the moves that need to be made to have a shot at the championship. All doable. Certainly a fantasy but hear me out. Send a 2023 first round pick to Seahawks for DK Metcalfe Sign Chandler Jones Give up as many picks as it takes to move up for Davis this year. Then find picks and trade up again to get a top CB. Who cares if we only draft two guys. Then we let Phillips walk, Levi walk, Beasley, Mckenzie, Feliciano, Starr all gone. Restructure Diggs and extend, restructure Tre and extend, extend and lower cap hit for Edmunds, extend Morse, extend Oliver with a lower cap hit for next season. We would have almost no holes and might even be able to sign Gronk. Have the seahags said something about their monster WR? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BuffaninSarasota Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 (edited) Hear me out ..... Easily a contender for post of the year - 'tis the silly season indeed With Metcalf spelled incorrectly to boot Edited March 8, 2022 by BuffaninSarasota sic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Mark Vader said: Tis fun to dream But better to start a thread on a message board Even managed to get in a "hear me out".. Edited March 8, 2022 by Aussie Joe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghs24mike Posted March 8, 2022 Author Share Posted March 8, 2022 49 minutes ago, NewEra said: First time noticing you, welcome to the board. If you think that we have no chance to win the super bowl unless we do all of these things, you’ve earned a spot on my ignore list and should rethink being a football fan, let alone a bills fan. Nice knowing you Who said no chance? I said to have a shot. We are in win now mode. If I told you all the moves that the Rams would make before last year you wouldn't have believed that either. Nothing in that post is out of the question. We might be the top FA destination in the NFL. Josh is the best player in the league. DK might be a fantasy but the rest of that post is do-able. Jones is a FA, Gronk is a FA, and we move up in the draft to get Davis (again might be hard to do but still do-able). The Bills were arguably the best team in the league last year and are certainly contenders, but the AFC is STACKED next year. Why be conservative for 4 years just to be conservative forever. We have very few holes to fill so we can afford to go all in on a few guys. 18 minutes ago, billybrew1 said: Have the seahags said something about their monster WR? No, but he is on the final year of his deal and I doubt he wants to re-sign without a top tier QB. Seahawks can trade him now and get value, or lose him after next season for nothing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurst44 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, Process said: We were the best team in the league last year and should have won the Superbowl if it weren't for coaching errors. We are the Superbowl favorites... literally...right now.... No, we don't need to add Jones, Metcalf and Gronk to have a chance. This place is becoming unbearable. Indeed... although other than the way he started it off, a lot of it is not that crazy... maybe the Metcalf parts. And I guess the trade up in draft, but as much I know many people would scoff at moving way up in the draft for a non-QB, if Davis is as advertised he could really be the key to unlock the elite defense in this team, even benefitting the play of Edmunds, Oliver, and maybe Milano. Edited March 8, 2022 by thurst44 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ghs24mike said: These are the moves that need to be made to have a shot at the championship. All doable. Certainly a fantasy but hear me out. Send a 2023 first round pick to Seahawks for DK Metcalfe Sign Chandler Jones Give up as many picks as it takes to move up for Davis this year. Then find picks and trade up again to get a top CB. Who cares if we only draft two guys. Then we let Phillips walk, Levi walk, Beasley, Mckenzie, Feliciano, Starr all gone. Restructure Diggs and extend, restructure Tre and extend, extend and lower cap hit for Edmunds, extend Morse, extend Oliver with a lower cap hit for next season. We would have almost no holes and might even be able to sign Gronk. What makes you think the Seahawks would accept a 2023 1st which is treated as a 2nd for compensation purposes? That's crazy talk. Maybe that type of bullcrap works in Madden but it damn sure isn't working in the real world. People need to get it through their head that Madden is exceptionally unrealistic in many ways and stop going to their franchise modes to see what type of trades they could pull off and then parrot them on the board as realistic. It's not. Not even close. Edited March 8, 2022 by Big Turk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Ghs24mike said: Who said no chance? I said to have a shot. We are in win now mode. If I told you all the moves that the Rams would make before last year you wouldn't have believed that either. Nothing in that post is out of the question. We might be the top FA destination in the NFL. Josh is the best player in the league. DK might be a fantasy but the rest of that post is do-able. Jones is a FA, Gronk is a FA, and we move up in the draft to get Davis (again might be hard to do but still do-able). The Bills were arguably the best team in the league last year and are certainly contenders, but the AFC is STACKED next year. Why be conservative for 4 years just to be conservative forever. We have very few holes to fill so we can afford to go all in on a few guys. No, but he is on the final year of his deal and I doubt he wants to re-sign without a top tier QB. Seahawks can trade him now and get value, or lose him after next season for nothing. Here is my biggest problem with your post. You speak in ambiguities. Like we are quibbling between the difference in understanding between "to have a shot" and "no chance". What you didn't lay out is how we get it done, and what the cost is. Where do we get the money from Chandler Jones and Gronk? What players do we flat out cut to make room? Who do we restructure, and what casualties are you willing to take from the 2023 roster? Buffalo is estimated at $40M under the cap next season, We will end up eating some of that just to get through the 2022 draft. Think about that. Just to be allowed to sign rookies, we have to cut, restructure, and borrow against next years money. So when you say trade a 1st for DK, I assume you mean an extension as well. The market was just reset today at $20M AAV. Just to make that move alone, and get through the draft, the Bills are down to $15M for 2023. To grab Jones and Gronk we will drop drop current players, and borrow against next years money. Which means we most likely don't re-sign a combination of Knox, Singletary, Oliver, Poyer, Jackson. Dane Jackson is actually a big one because in your scenario we most certainly cannot afford Wallace. Which is fine, but we cannot cut bait with all of our DB depth. Especially if there is a good chance we walk from Poyer. Which again, in your situation, becomes a likely casualty. Interesting you are big on this when you are so pro Edmunds sticking around because we couldn't afford. 6 hours ago, Ghs24mike said: I agree, lets open up a massive hole right in the middle of our defense. Just because Edmunds plays a different style (likely one that Frazier and McD like) doesnt make him a bad player. We need a true run stopping one tech- we haven't had one for the last few years. Plug someone in the middle that can actually stop the run and watch how dominant Edmunds becomes. I dont think anyone on this board knows ( I certainly dont) what is being asked of Edmunds in this defense. Is he supposed to be a guy that plays downhill, is he supposed to just clog up passing lanes because he is so big and athletic, is he struggling because we dont really have a true run stopping defensive line? I suspect our coaches know the answers to all of these questions. I would not be shocked if Edmunds is extended. Edited March 8, 2022 by Mango Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigduke6 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 ya sorry, i dont want Metcalf, hes a quitter. add to that our receiving corp is just fine. work on the oline and dline, and find another decent CB. guarantee u wont hear much about Metcalf now that he doesnt have Wilson. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 (edited) After listening to One Bills Live, today, I don’t think we are getting any of these guys... The way the guys described it made it sound like we need to clear $20 million in cap space just to break even- given the $6 million we are over the cap, the $8 million for draft picks, and the $5 million buffer we will need throughout the season, just in case... ...Yada Yada Yada- something tells me we are going to be in for a bunch of comp picks next year... Edited March 8, 2022 by JaCrispy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 1 hour ago, BringBackFergy said: This has to be Brandon Beane's ghost account. I think it's Egon Spengler's ghost account. Like me, he never grasped the subtleties of player acquisition and disposal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurst44 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 Just now, Mango said: Buffalo is estimated at $40M under the cap next season, We will end up eating some of that just to get through the 2022 draft. Think about that. Just to be allowed to sign rookies, we have to cut, restructure, and borrow against next years money. You make a lot of good points, and there is a limit of what you can do, but your numbers MIGHT be off (and that's not to mention the fact that we don't know what the cap will be next year and it's expected to rise by quite a bit), and while this year's signings, rookies, and restructures will move it up, you omit the fact some of the cuts THIS year will also bring it down. Star, Feliciano would be over 10m less against cap as I understand it and if we cut DWil, that's another 7m potential. OTC had 2022 at 6.6m over before Beane confirmed that as his numbers today. They have next year at 53m under and given the almost definite cuts, that's 64m. Yes, that will be eaten up by new contracts and restructures will also add to it. They're not going to be a ridiculous player, but they could make a few moves, even a "splash" move (whatever that means), and likely still be in shape to restructure and have enough to hold on to most if not all of the players you mention. Extending Oliver, since we just picked up his 2023 season, would in fact likely significantly LOWER our cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 3 minutes ago, thurst44 said: You make a lot of good points, and there is a limit of what you can do, but your numbers MIGHT be off (and that's not to mention the fact that we don't know what the cap will be next year and it's expected to rise by quite a bit), and while this year's signings, rookies, and restructures will move it up, you omit the fact some of the cuts THIS year will also bring it down. Star, Feliciano would be over 10m less against cap as I understand it and if we cut DWil, that's another 7m potential. OTC had 2022 at 6.6m over before Beane confirmed that as his numbers today. They have next year at 53m under and given the almost definite cuts, that's 64m. Yes, that will be eaten up by new contracts and restructures will also add to it. They're not going to be a ridiculous player, but they could make a few moves, even a "splash" move (whatever that means), and likely still be in shape to restructure and have enough to hold on to most if not all of the players you mention. Extending Oliver, since we just picked up his 2023 season, would in fact likely significantly LOWER our cap. I just pulled from spotrac. There is some fluctuation for sure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 This is proof positive that today's drugs are much stronger than they were 30 years ago. 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 id love metcalf, but not if it cost us resigning oliver or davis, but i suppose there may be a way. number one thing for me this offseason is chandler jones. i think he can be gotten for a reasonable level given how good he is. he's exactly what we need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 Welcome to "Who's Line Is It Anyway" where the salary cap doesn't matter and the players are made up 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurst44 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 Just now, JaCrispy said: After listening to One Bills Live, today, I don’t think we are getting any of these guys... The way the guys described it made it sound like we need to clear $20 million in cap space just to break even- given the $6 million we are over the cap, the $8 million for draft picks, and the $5 million buffer we will need throughout the season, just in case... ...Yada Yada Yada- something tells me we are going to be in for a bunch of comp picks next year... They already released Klein, so that gets it to 1.5m over. Beasley is 6.1m right there. So, that's 4.6 under. Feliciano is 3.3m, that's 7.9m under, Haack is 1.2, that's 9.1m, Star post-June is 4.1m, so that's 13.2m, Cody Ford 1.5m (honestly, I'd keep him and see if he has a good pre-season and maybe get something in trade), so that's 14.7m, Andre Smith is 1.1m, so that's 15.8... and those are all cuts that other than arguably Beasley, don't really hurt the core team. There's still a lot of restructures and extensions and salary payouts possible, many of them clearing 10m each. Based on OTC, I was pretty easily able to get down to over 70+ under. DWill gets you under 20m if he doesn't agree to restructure. Now, as many have mentioned, you don't want to do all of those b/c they will hamper you for any 2023 or 2024 moves. Also, some of them would require the player agreeing. And OTC doesn't know everything so it's not much better than Madden to a degree. Also, Beane has his own plans and may want to be prudent. This is a team that's a Super Bowl contender if not favorite to make it there even if we do nothing but just draft at our current spots, and have a lot of players who could make huge improvements next year. As for comp picks, as much as I'd like some players back, there's a scenario I'd love where they make a couple big signings, but let the rest walk and Trubisky and Wallace could conceivably bring back pretty decent comps. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghs24mike Posted March 8, 2022 Author Share Posted March 8, 2022 34 minutes ago, Mango said: Here is my biggest problem with your post. You speak in ambiguities. Like we are quibbling between the difference in understanding between "to have a shot" and "no chance". What you didn't lay out is how we get it done, and what the cost is. Where do we get the money from Chandler Jones and Gronk? What players do we flat out cut to make room? Who do we restructure, and what casualties are you willing to take from the 2023 roster? Buffalo is estimated at $40M under the cap next season, We will end up eating some of that just to get through the 2022 draft. Think about that. Just to be allowed to sign rookies, we have to cut, restructure, and borrow against next years money. So when you say trade a 1st for DK, I assume you mean an extension as well. The market was just reset today at $20M AAV. Just to make that move alone, and get through the draft, the Bills are down to $15M for 2023. To grab Jones and Gronk we will drop drop current players, and borrow against next years money. Which means we most likely don't re-sign a combination of Knox, Singletary, Oliver, Poyer, Jackson. Dane Jackson is actually a big one because in your scenario we most certainly cannot afford Wallace. Which is fine, but we cannot cut bait with all of our DB depth. Especially if there is a good chance we walk from Poyer. Which again, in your situation, becomes a likely casualty. Interesting you are big on this when you are so pro Edmunds sticking around because we couldn't afford. All great questions. I am struggling to find the article I read where we can make room for about 26-27 million in cap space this year through cutting some players, extending others, asking some for pay cuts. See if we can sign Chandler for 15 mill a year, we dont worry about extending DK (he is a luxury one year rental at 4 million), and we sign Gronk to a one year deal. Cut Klein, Matekavich, Haack for example. Restructure Diggs- give him an extension and lower his cap hit for this season Extend Morse to lower the cap hit for this season Release Star after June 1 Trade Cole Beasley Extend Hyde as well and lower the cap hit for this season Williams gets a pay cut Feliciano gets cut Extend Tre White and lower his cap hit Wallace doesnt come back, same with Phillips, and same with Mckenzie unfortunately. The game here is to lower the cap hit for next season and ride the salary cap up in the coming years. Of course we are borrowing from the future, but we can afford to do that in this window we have now. I don't believe for a second Beane is going to sit back and be conservative, and he is saying all the right things. Joe Schoen let the cat out of the bag a little bit saying that we will have room. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein's Dog Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 Maybe Gronk? What? Any good dream scenario should be starting with Gronk. At a paltry $8M, he's a bargain. He was probably the person that came and saw Beane at the combine. Next add either C Jones or Von Miller. Just need one of the premier pass rushers. Expensive but needs to be done IMO. Then with Gronk on board the Bills can say No to all the high priced WRs. Decent WRs are getting $20M now - see M Allen. Draft one early - J Williams comes to mind. Get him up to speed during the year and then get close to that $20M production for a rookie contract for the next 3-4 years. Do an early season bridge with a McKenzie or Andy Isabella type. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purplebulldog Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 Is Zac Ertz available? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 Who plays corner? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloMatt Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 Puff Puff Pass . . . . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 I would rather use our 1st rounder on a WR in the draft and have him on a rookie contract for 5 years. This year is loaded at the position. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kwai San Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 3 hours ago, Ghs24mike said: These are the moves that need to be made to have a shot at the championship. All doable. Certainly a fantasy but hear me out. Send a 2023 first round pick to Seahawks for DK Metcalfe Sign Chandler Jones Give up as many picks as it takes to move up for Davis this year. Then find picks and trade up again to get a top CB. Who cares if we only draft two guys. Then we let Phillips walk, Levi walk, Beasley, Mckenzie, Feliciano, Starr all gone. Restructure Diggs and extend, restructure Tre and extend, extend and lower cap hit for Edmunds, extend Morse, extend Oliver with a lower cap hit for next season. We would have almost no holes and might even be able to sign Gronk. Are you high? Can you pass that spliff over this way please? Pretty please???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 You know we're a million over the cap right now right? Better question, you know that the salary cap exists right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franchiseneedsme Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 2 hours ago, Big Turk said: 3 hours ago, Ghs24mike said: Expand What makes you think the Seahawks would accept a 2023 1st which is treated as a 2nd for compensation purposes? That's crazy talk. Maybe that type of bullcrap works in Madden but it damn sure isn't working in the real world. People need to get it through their head that Madden is exceptionally unrealistic in many ways and stop going to their franchise modes to see what type of trades they could pull off and then parrot them on the board as realistic. It's not. Not even close. Because a 1st next year when there will be better draft options a qb, would be better then a 1st this year in my opinion. The Seahawks without Wilson in that division could be in line for a top 5 pick next year. Then add 2 more 1s and 2 more 2nds and that sounds like a nice start to a rebuild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein's Dog Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 2 hours ago, Purplebulldog said: Is Zac Ertz available? Actually Ertz is a FA. Spotrac puts him at a reasonable &7.6M. I'd rather have Gronk but now Spotrac raised Gronk's estimate up to $9.5M. With Geiski, Schultz, and Njoku (what is Cleveland doing?) all getting franchised for $10.8M the market for TEs is heated. I hope Gronk will still honor his home town discount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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