Taunting not called on Hill's TD

[Mikie2times]

Mods, please forgive me if this was mentioned. I'm only posting about it at this point because I'm sort of shocked I haven't seen it discussed.

 

I'm not one of these guys that blames the refs, usually just more frustrated by by selective application of rules. You could not draw up a more textbook taunting penalty on Hill than what we saw on his TD in the final two minutes.

 

 

 

Edited January 28, 2022 by KzooMike

[RaoulDuke79]

He was too fast for our defense to stop and too fast for the refs to see.

Edited January 28, 2022 by RaoulDuke79
Too...not to

[MAJBobby]

Who cares we scored right after. The TD would have stood anyway. 

[billsfan1959]

Doesn’t really bother me. Pretty harmless and didn’t affect the game. It would have been assessed on the kickoff and Buffalo scored anyway

[Franco_92]

In theory, giving buffalo fewer yards to go would have simply given KC MORE than 13 seconds, which isn't what we wanted.

When I saw 1:02 on the clock and 3 timeouts, that was exactly the way i wanted it. i was happy he scored after he got about 20 yards. 

[Scorp83]

Because the refs decided at halftime to stay out of it! They realized what kind of game this was headed and they literally said “we’re not letting this game get dictated by our flags” they let them play in the 2nd half. They threw zero flags unless it was completely obvious. Heck…Hughes Kneed Mahomes in his face on the sidelines & the refs said “Nope deal with it”. 
so yes Hill knew he wouldn’t  get flagged for that… everyone was getting away with murder that 2nd half

Edited January 29, 2022 by Scorp83
Typo

[Mikie2times]

It's a bit silly to say it wouldn't have mattered. At that time in the game if I asked you does it matter if the Bills start around the 40 or the 25, you would certainly said it mattered. We could have also elected to take it on the Extra Point, which had he not converted would have also mattered. 

 

Just because the outcome ended up being a TD does not excuse the penalty not being called, nor give us a crystal ball that says the exact outcome would have happened either way. No matter how you slice it, if that penalty gets called, as it should have, you're introducing an entirely new set of variables into the last minute than the ones we ended up seeing. Who knows if those new variables influence the outcome or not.    

Edited January 28, 2022 by KzooMike

[Shaw66]

They don't call it on a gesture like that.   It has to be more direct and in your face.   I think it was Singletary who did something similar against the Patriots when he ran into the end zone around McKenzie's block, or on some other play, and it wasn't called.  Just holding up a finger and wagging doesn't get called.   And, as others said, it wouldn't have mattered.  

[Mikie2times]

Am I the only one that see's how dumb the general thinking in this thread is? It didn't matter because we scored. If we didn't score it would have been one of the most controversial plays in the game. So the phantom PI call in the TB OT game mattered because they scored a TD and won on that drive. Had we stopped them, it wouldn't have mattered (although in each of these, wouldn't have mattered hypotheticals, it leads down an entirely different set of circumstances, play calls, and outcomes). I'm not like up in arms over this non call, I guess it's just sort of humorous that goes from meaning nothing because we scored vs probably being one of the most talked about plays of the game if we don't.      

[mannc]

Don’t care.  It’s a stupid rule.  One of the reasons Sunday’s game is considered maybe the greatest ever is that the refs let the players play football, without any asinine calls…

[ExiledInIllinois]

Big thing is... If they just called the blatant holds in the Tampa game... The Buffalo/KC game is in Orchard Park... 

 

Then on top of it...Refs give KC a fresh set of downs on a 3rd down stop in RedZone because of an away from the play ticky tacky jersey pull... Leading directly to Chiefs second TD! 

 

They kick FG there..  Hmmm?

[Success]

Bad rule anyway....

 

[Mikie2times]

1 minute ago, Success said:

Bad rule anyway....

 

Certainly agree with that

[GoBills808]

Didn’t effect the game so it didn’t bother me

 

 Tyreek Hill on the other hand…

[CapeBreton]

Wish we could blame the refs but they called a good game. Glad they didn’t call taunting. Nobody to blame but terrible defense and coaching. 

[ngbills]

I may be wrong but the taunt was before he was in the end zone so the td would be called back. 

[MJS]

5 minutes ago, ngbills said:

I may be wrong but the taunt was before he was in the end zone so the td would be called back. 

That is not the case. It would not have been called back.

[Freddie's Dead]

It wouldn't have mattered.  We would have scored even earlier than we did after the 15 yards was added to the KO.  That would have given the Rat enough time to go the length of the field against McChoke.

Edited January 28, 2022 by Freddie's Dead

[DrPJax]

1 hour ago, KzooMike said:

It's a bit silly to say it wouldn't have mattered. At that time in the game if I asked you does it matter if the Bills start around the 40 or the 25, you would certainly said it mattered. We could have also elected to take it on the Extra Point, which had he not converted would have also mattered. 

 

Just because the outcome ended up being a TD does not excuse the penalty not being called, nor give us a crystal ball that says the exact outcome would have happened either way. No matter how you slice it, if that penalty gets called, as it should have, you're introducing an entirely new set of variables into the last minute than the ones we ended up seeing. Who knows if those new variables influence the outcome or not.    

I think you make great points ; the Bills  success after has nothing to do with the call.  You can certainly bet tho had we NOT scored,  this would have been extensively discussed!  Also , just that pic shows he is TAUNTING BEFORE HE SCORES!  I don’t know how the NFLS  rule could be much different, but in college I know I saw taunting calls nullify scoring plays just like this , with a guy taunting on his way during the play , not just AFTER it was over !  Imagine if it was called, seen to occur as it did prior to crossing the goal line and that TD was nullified!   Arguably could have had a major impact on the game.

 

Having said that , I am glad it turned out alright without that call.  We should have one , I am convinced we were the better team , just had a terrible coaching lapse and mental breakdown defensively at the worst time.  For once the refs were not a huge negative factor or distraction. I think it should prove to the league how great the product and game can be when so many penalties are not called and how this was seen as one of the greatest games ever !  It should be a model going forward how stupid it is to have points of emphasis on calling things, rather than emphasizing how great the product is if flags are kept to a minimum.  THAT SHOULD REALLY BE THE POINT OF EMPHASIS, LESS REFEREEING, BETTER QUALITY FOOTBALL , LESS CONTROVERSIAL OUTCOMES!  You made great points and it’s valid to say , this was not called as it had been all year , proves how subjective it is in the first place , and once again it shows if you aren’t going to call it all the time, it should not be enforced or be a rule at all then. 

[Starr Almighty]

2 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

They don't call it on a gesture like that.   It has to be more direct and in your face.   I think it was Singletary who did something similar against the Patriots when he ran into the end zone around McKenzie's block, or on some other play, and it wasn't called.  Just holding up a finger and wagging doesn't get called.   And, as others said, it wouldn't have mattered.  

They could of made him kick a long extra point. The whole taunting rule came into play after Tyreek Hill did the exact same thing you are watching him do in that video. 

Edited January 28, 2022 by Starr Almighty

[Joe Ferguson]

If Hill was flagged for taunting, what will be the penalty? Are they going to waive the TD?

[John from Riverside]

If it’s not a reason why we lost the game I don’t care

[Mikie2times]

Just now, Joe Ferguson said:

If Hill was flagged for taunting, what will be the penalty? Are they going to waive the TD?

No, it's considered a dead ball foul. We would of ended up having the choice to either take the penalty on the kickoff which would have (at least at that moment) seemed to be a pretty massive penalty. We could have also elected to have it enforced on the extra point which would have made that a 48 yard Extra Point attempt with a miss putting us down by 3 vs down by 4 prior to Allen's last TD drive. 

[Mikie2times]

7 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

If it’s not a reason why we lost the game I don’t care

How do you know the answer to that question? Would you have rather seen the play called as it was all year and then have the option to have KC kick a 48 yard extra point or kickoff 15 yards deeper likely giving us the ball around the 40? Either situation potentially leads to a different outcome. I'm not debating that in the end with the way the game played out it didn't "seem" to matter, but it's sort of hard to say it didn't matter. After KC just missed a normal XP, I would have loved the idea of only needing 3 if they miss a 48 yard Extra Point. At that point we are draining clock down to the last drop and if we do score they need a TD to win, a FG does nothing.   

[BullBuchanan]

Good. If I never saw another taunting penalty it would be too soon. Sack up.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

2 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Big thing is... If they just called the blatant holds in the Tampa game... The Buffalo/KC game is in Orchard Park... 

 

Then on top of it...Refs give KC a fresh set of downs on a 3rd down stop in RedZone because of an away from the play ticky tacky jersey pull... Leading directly to Chiefs second TD! 

 

They kick FG there..  Hmmm?

that was 100% Dane Jackson’s fault though. He had his hand on the back of Hills’s jersey for like 2 full seconds. Just begging for a flag. I’ve liked Dane’s play this year but he has to be smarter than that. Especially on third down. 

[purple haze]

Glad it wasn’t called.  It’s a weak rule that shouldn’t exist to impact the game; finally got a red crew with some common sense.  I wouldn’t have called it either.

[ngbills]

“Under the NFL's ridiculous taunting rules implemented this season, Hill should have been flagged for that gesture and the score should have been wiped from the board. The Chiefs should have been penalized 15 yards from where the taunt happened, which would have given them a first down at around the 30-yard line.”

[ExiledInIllinois]

22 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

that was 100% Dane Jackson’s fault though. He had his hand on the back of Hills’s jersey for like 2 full seconds. Just begging for a flag. I’ve liked Dane’s play this year but he has to be smarter than that. Especially on third down. 

Yeah.  Agree.  Buy they gotta call that on Tampa!

^^^^^^

If they call this in Tampa... Bills played Chiefs in Orchard Park NOT KC!

[Buffalo_Stampede]

I was thinking about a call but not the taunting. Imagine they don't throw a flag on the Sanders catch. How many seconds come off the clock before the Bills get their timeout? Maybe 1-2 AND if the Bills use a timeout there they don't call timeout before Kelce's catch when Kelce gets to see the Bills alignment and change his route.

Edited January 28, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede

[Nextmanup]

5 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

Who cares we scored right after. The TD would have stood anyway. 

Not sure that's true.  It's not a dead ball foul.

 

If they call the penalty, it's during a live play prior to the TD.

 

TD is negated, and the line moves back 15 yards and we play the next down.

 

The thing is, that sort of penalty is never called under those circumstances.

 

It's always after the play is over.

 

It was textbook taunting and should have been called IMO.

 

What he did is precisely what the rule seeks to remove from the game.

 

 

[bmur66]

It is sad when we are reduced to whining about a taunting penalty

[Not at the table Karlos]

5 hours ago, KzooMike said:

Am I the only one that see's how dumb the general thinking in this thread is? It didn't matter because we scored. If we didn't score it would have been one of the most controversial plays in the game. So the phantom PI call in the TB OT game mattered because they scored a TD and won on that drive. Had we stopped them, it wouldn't have mattered (although in each of these, wouldn't have mattered hypotheticals, it leads down an entirely different set of circumstances, play calls, and outcomes). I'm not like up in arms over this non call, I guess it's just sort of humorous that goes from meaning nothing because we scored vs probably being one of the most talked about plays of the game if we don't.      

Do you want the taunting gestures the Bills did to be called too? 

[Von Braun]

4 hours ago, Starr Almighty said:

They could of made him kick a long extra point. The whole taunting rule came into play after Tyreek Hill did the exact same thing you are watching him do in that video. 

This is correct. The Bills could have elected to enforce the penalty on the PAT or the kickoff. If enforced on the PAT, it would've made it a 48 yard kick, hardly a chip shot, given that he pulled several kicks to the right, including the missed PAT.

 

Also correct is that it was a clear and obvious penalty. The rule WAS put into effect because of the actions of Tyreek Hill and Antoine Winfield (in the Superbowl) putting up the peace signs. These actions were specifically sighted by the competition committee in the off-season. 

 

This was a huge miss and it definitely could've altered the outcome of the game. 

[Wacka]

What I got from the video was that the guy sounds like Jimmy Pesto Jr. (was watching  Bob's Burgers while  looking at the video).

[Matt_In_NH]

The penalty is negated because he was taunting BEFORE he passed Milano which instead is awesome.  All the taunting penalties I saw were dumb.  I hate the rule.  

 

seriously the refs were not calling penalties in that game both ways.   The bills could have had a couple late hits that were not called.  They let the players play which is good.  

Also the bills benefitted by not having it called

 

Edited January 28, 2022 by 13 Second Prevent Defense

[EmotionallyUnstable]

10 is a D bag 

[May Day 10]

It would have been a travesty to flag that.  

[MAJBobby]

3 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

Not sure that's true.  It's not a dead ball foul.

 

If they call the penalty, it's during a live play prior to the TD.

 

TD is negated, and the line moves back 15 yards and we play the next down.

 

The thing is, that sort of penalty is never called under those circumstances.

 

It's always after the play is over.

 

It was textbook taunting and should have been called IMO.

 

What he did is precisely what the rule seeks to remove from the game.

 

 

And then they run the clock down and score. And Josh doesn’t get his drive. 
 

So yeah doesn’t matter. And actually helps. There was a reason I yelled let him score at the top of my lungs. 
 

17 with a minute left to win the game. I would put my money on that all day long. And he delivered his part. 
 

waiving bye is not taunting. Josh wasn’t called for it either and did the same exact thing against Miami (maybe worse as it was right in the face of Their DT that game.) 

[Mr. WEO]

come on with this....