McDermott should say he took over defensive play calling the last 2mins

[Rigotz]

Prior to Sunday's game, Leslie Frazier had a small chance to become a head coach.

That would have netted us two third round picks due to the Rooney rule. He's not worth that.

 

After the 13 second debacle, I think that chance has slipped down to 0%.

 

So, I'm curious what you all think about this idea...

 

If McDermott states in his next press conference that it was his decision to play conservative in the last 2 minutes (or even 13 seconds) ... does that salvage some of Frazier's marketability? Even if it creates a 1% chance, it's good for the organization and he should jump on the grenade.

[NewEra]

I think he should tell the truth

[Marvlevydraftdaygenius]

8 minutes ago, Rigotz said:

Prior to Sunday's game, Leslie Frazier had a small chance to become a head coach.

That would have netted us two third round picks due to the Rooney rule. He's not worth that.

 

After the 13 second debacle, I think that chance has slipped down to 0%.

 

So, I'm curious what you all think about this idea...

 

If McDermott states in his next press conference that it was his decision to play conservative in the last 2 minutes (or even 13 seconds) ... does that salvage some of Frazier's marketability? Even if it creates a 1% chance, it's good for the organization and he should jump on the grenade.

Nobody is going to believe it.  The only chance there is if there is a franchise Quarterback comes out next year.  So a team who fired there coach needs that Qb so they need a fall guy to get them to go 0-18 or 17 whatever the NFL extends the season to.  So who better then to fill that role then Lesile Frazier,  hell he can blame the media and ownership for his teams debacle.

[Thurman#1]

15 minutes ago, Rigotz said:

Prior to Sunday's game, Leslie Frazier had a small chance to become a head coach.

That would have netted us two third round picks due to the Rooney rule. He's not worth that.

 

After the 13 second debacle, I think that chance has slipped down to 0%.

 

So, I'm curious what you all think about this idea...

 

If McDermott states in his next press conference that it was his decision to play conservative in the last 2 minutes (or even 13 seconds) ... does that salvage some of Frazier's marketability? Even if it creates a 1% chance, it's good for the organization and he should jump on the grenade.

 

 

Frazier's very much worth that. 

 

We'll be lucky either way, getting the picks or having him stay.

 

Oh, and yeah, I bet there are a ton of teams out there thinking, 'Hey, that guy couldn't stop Pat Mahomes playing out of his mind, let's not hire him.'

 

 

13 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I think he should tell the truth

 

 

This'n. And he will.

Edited January 25, 2022 by Thurman#1

[y2zipper]

McDermott isn't going to say this,  but the pre-snap line up on the plate I got the Chiefs into field goal range doesn't matter because it's a coverage disguise. 

 

The play was two deep disguised as a shell. Pre-snap it is supposed to look like the middle of the field is wide open but then postnap the quarters are supposed to play inside of forced the receivers to the outside so the pre-snap read and the post-snap read don't match. The corner there is supposed to play inside leverage to force Kelce to break to the outside where there is safety help but instead the corner played the outside and Kelce got to the middle.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

28 minutes ago, Rigotz said:

Prior to Sunday's game, Leslie Frazier had a small chance to become a head coach.

That would have netted us two third round picks due to the Rooney rule. He's not worth that.

 

After the 13 second debacle, I think that chance has slipped down to 0%.

 

So, I'm curious what you all think about this idea...

 

If McDermott states in his next press conference that it was his decision to play conservative in the last 2 minutes (or even 13 seconds) ... does that salvage some of Frazier's marketability? Even if it creates a 1% chance, it's good for the organization and he should jump on the grenade.

 

First of all, whatever you think of McDermott and Frazier, they are both men of character and integrity.  It is and should be the highest priority to maintain that.

 

Second, I expect that prospective employers are going to pay far more attention to what's said in private and in interviews than to what's said in a press conference.  There are probably a dozen guys who have some idea what actually went on, on the sidelines, in the last couple minutes of the game - coaching assistants, AV guys, trainers, players.  All these guys know people who know people on other teams.

 

Bottom line, useless and counterproductive notion.

 

Besides - how do we know that in fact McDermott DIDN'T weigh heavily into the defensive play calling in the last 2 minutes?  We've seen him on "mic'd up" sessions talking to the defensive captains during time outs and he's acknowledged weighing in at times before.

 

13 minutes ago, y2zipper said:

McDermott isn't going to say this,  but the pre-snap line up on the plate I got the Chiefs into field goal range doesn't matter because it's a coverage disguise. 

 

The play was two deep disguised as a shell. Pre-snap it is supposed to look like the middle of the field is wide open but then postnap the quarters are supposed to play inside of forced the receivers to the outside so the pre-snap read and the post-snap read don't match. The corner there is supposed to play inside leverage to force Kelce to break to the outside where there is safety help but instead the corner played the outside and Kelce got to the middle.

 

I'm not sure about "the corner there is supposed to play inside leverage". 

 

Erik Turner has some stuff up in his twitter feed

 

 

[Jerome007]

Because McD is sooooo involved in the defense, losing Frazier has less impact and may indeed have some benefits, picks being one of them.

 

Daboll would be a huge change though.

 

Anyhow, to me, if they stay, fine. If not, part of the game. The Bills will move on.

 

Josh seems a leader enough to voice his opinions if a new OC is hired, and has learned 95% of what he could learn from Daboll, which makes it not that dire either.

 

For all their failings, you don't get such stats as this year with bad coordinators! 

 

 

[Dr.Sack]

Frazier is a good coach. If we lose him there is a learning curve for the new guy, unless he has prior DC experience and is respected and trusted by the players. The Bills shouldn’t be throwing anyone under the bus. Especially Frazier the dude who just got a #1 ranked D from a team that lost its best corner with 5 games to go. 

[Solomon Grundy]

41 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I think he should tell the truth

Yeah, he/they choked!! 

[NewEra]

5 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Yeah, he/they choked!! 

Yeah they did

[goldenboy81]

The game is still a fog for me but I do remember mcd holding a play sheet. Can't remember when 

[Fan in Chicago]

4 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Yeah they did

Getting draft picks is fine, but fixing such issues is more important. At the level where Bills are competing, we will need a steady DC who wont panic or try to get too cute in critical situations. We have to overcome the Chiefs barrier in the playoffs but need to also keep in mind that we need to better counter act teams such as the Titans and Colts. 

[RyanC883]

Frazier needs to go, period.  The D was way too soft and predictable all game long, really, all season long, and last year also.  Bend and don't break is great against the Mac Jones, Jets, Falcons, etc.  We faced 2 elite QB all season long.  We went 1-2.  We got shredded by Brady in the 1st half of the Tampa game, then lost in OT.   We beat Mahomes in the regular season when he was adjusting to new coverage looks from D's, and lost in the Playoffs (again), after he figured out the defense we and others used against him, yet we used the same D against him as in the regular season that he clearly figured out by that time.  

 

Next year we face several elite QBs.  

 

We need a better DC.  Not pressing at the LOS on Kelcie and Hill w/ 13 seconds left is horrid.  

46 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said:

Frazier is a good coach. If we lose him there is a learning curve for the new guy, unless he has prior DC experience and is respected and trusted by the players. The Bills shouldn’t be throwing anyone under the bus. Especially Frazier the dude who just got a #1 ranked D from a team that lost its best corner with 5 games to go. 

 

#1 ranked D was inflated by facing 2 elite QB's all season long.  It was a cupcake fest.  And lets not forget his inability to stop the Colts.  They scored 45 points on this D running the ball all game.  Frazier is bad.  Timid, bad, and does not understand that his scheme does not work with our personnel.  If we had a guy like TJ Watt it may work, but it does not work with average front 7.  It's putting a TON OF pressure on the secondary, which held up really well all year.  

Edited January 25, 2022 by RyanC883

[BuffaloBill]

You guys are nuts. No way do the Bills act this far out of character.  Additionally, McDermott, Frazier and Dabol are staying in Buffalo unless and only if Dabol or Frazier are offered HC opportunities elsewhere. The Pegula’s have publicly mentioned the value of continuity.

 

With that said, the Bills will take a hard look at roster and schemes, especially on the defensive side of the ball. It may be very likely that they bring in some different assistant coaches and maybe even a “consultant” of some sort to help with the D. (Yes the #1 D). 

 

Three glaring issues on the Defensive side to fix:

 

- Get home pass rush that results in sacks

- softness against the run

- Too much reliance on soft coverage 

 

I’m curious to see what the offseason brings. I really believe the Bills will be even better next year.

[BarleyNY]

1 hour ago, Rigotz said:

Prior to Sunday's game, Leslie Frazier had a small chance to become a head coach.

That would have netted us two third round picks due to the Rooney rule. He's not worth that.

 

After the 13 second debacle, I think that chance has slipped down to 0%.

 

So, I'm curious what you all think about this idea...

 

If McDermott states in his next press conference that it was his decision to play conservative in the last 2 minutes (or even 13 seconds) ... does that salvage some of Frazier's marketability? Even if it creates a 1% chance, it's good for the organization and he should jump on the grenade.

It really is not necessary regardless of the exact circumstances here.  He’s the HC.   Ultimately it is his responsibility.  He chooses his staff, he chooses how involved to be in scheme, preparation and play calling - and in what situations to do so.  Ditto for personnel on the roster (along with Beane, whom he chose) and on the field.  McDermott should be first and foremost where responsibility is concerned, be it good or bad. 

[Mango]

6 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said:

You guys are nuts. No way do the Bills act this far out of character.  Additionally, McDermott, Frazier and Dabol are staying in Buffalo unless and only if Dabol or Frazier are offered HC opportunities elsewhere. The Pegula’s have publicly mentioned the value of continuity.

 

With that said, the Bills will take a hard look at roster and schemes, especially on the defensive side of the ball. It may be very likely that they bring in some different assistant coaches and maybe even a “consultant” of some sort to help with the D. (Yes the #1 D). 

 

Three glaring issues on the Defensive side to fix:

 

- Get home pass rush that results in sacks

- softness against the run

- Too much reliance on soft coverage 

 

I’m curious to see what the offseason brings. I really believe the Bills will be even better next year.

 

 

I agree with all the above. But to the bolded about getting home. We do seem to consistently fall short. Sunday's game however felt like a containment issue rather than Mahomes being squirmy. We would get guys up the middle, but then there is no DE to keep him in side. Or the left side would win their battle and the right side would be nothing but green grass. Really frustrating. 

[Niagara Dude]

1 hour ago, Rigotz said:

Prior to Sunday's game, Leslie Frazier had a small chance to become a head coach.

That would have netted us two third round picks due to the Rooney rule. He's not worth that.

 

After the 13 second debacle, I think that chance has slipped down to 0%.

 

So, I'm curious what you all think about this idea...

 

If McDermott states in his next press conference that it was his decision to play conservative in the last 2 minutes (or even 13 seconds) ... does that salvage some of Frazier's marketability? Even if it creates a 1% chance, it's good for the organization and he should jump on the grenade.

No team hiring a retread like Frazier after Sunday,  Frazier is just a puppet for Sean and his conservative coaching ways.  Remember Sean got fire by Andy Reid because he could not carry on how Jim Johnson coached and called defensive plays.  Johnson was an attacking/blitzing style DC cordinator and Sean wants to be conservative and keep everything in front.  

[Mark Vader]

1 hour ago, Rigotz said:

Prior to Sunday's game, Leslie Frazier had a small chance to become a head coach.

That would have netted us two third round picks due to the Rooney rule. He's not worth that.

 

After the 13 second debacle, I think that chance has slipped down to 0%.

 

So, I'm curious what you all think about this idea...

 

If McDermott states in his next press conference that it was his decision to play conservative in the last 2 minutes (or even 13 seconds) ... does that salvage some of Frazier's marketability? Even if it creates a 1% chance, it's good for the organization and he should jump on the grenade.

I don't know, he may still become a head coach.

 

Do the 49'ers regret hiring Kyle Shanahan after the way he choked in the Super Bowl a few years ago?

[Alphadawg7]

2 hours ago, Rigotz said:

Prior to Sunday's game, Leslie Frazier had a small chance to become a head coach.

That would have netted us two third round picks due to the Rooney rule. He's not worth that.

 

After the 13 second debacle, I think that chance has slipped down to 0%.

 

So, I'm curious what you all think about this idea...

 

If McDermott states in his next press conference that it was his decision to play conservative in the last 2 minutes (or even 13 seconds) ... does that salvage some of Frazier's marketability? Even if it creates a 1% chance, it's good for the organization and he should jump on the grenade.

Lol…No it’s not gonna affect his chances.  Did it cost Kyle Shanahan his shot when he choked away the SB with a 28-3 lead?  They aren’t going to sit back and say it was Fraziers fault.  Mahomes and Kelce are special and the D was gassed.  Plus the squib kick didn’t happen, which is seen as the main reason.  
 

Doesnt mean he was ever getting a job, but nothing has changed in terms of teams interest in him.  If they wanted him before that they will still want him now.
 

 

Edited January 25, 2022 by Alphadawg7

[Fan in Chicago]

45 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

 

I’m curious to see what the offseason brings. I really believe the Bills will be even better next year.

 

Its no longer enough to just be better than they were this season. Reid, Vrabel and Reich will also be trying to do it. The goal should be to leapfrog the others else we will forever be playing catch up with the Chiefs the way Marino & Shula did in the early 90s

[Patrick Duffy]

2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Lol…No it’s not gonna affect his chances.  Did it cost Kyle Shanahan his shot when he choked away the SB with a 28-3 lead?  They aren’t going to sit back and say it was Fraziers fault.  Mahomes and Kelce are special and the D was gassed.  Plus the squib kick didn’t happen, which is seen as the main reason.  
 

Doesnt mean he was ever getting a job, but nothing has changed in terms of teams interest in him.  If they wanted him before that they will still want him now.
 

 

Most certainly was, but that defense called was just as much imo. I could get it a little better if KC had no T.O's. They had all 3 in their pocket and you just can't call that type of D in that situation, especially when PM is the QB.

[Nextmanup]

Even as stupid as the NFL is, no team is going to base a major hiring decision on a single play or final 2 minutes of a single game....they are going to base it on a large body of work.

 

The conversation stops right there.

 

 

[Magox]

Ridiculous - Leslie Frazier has had top 5 and top 10 defenses for 4 out of the last 5 years, without any real superstars.  Yes, they got burnt by the Chiefs, but who hasn't?   The Chiefs have a great offense and they are playing on all cylinders right now.   

 

I think many of these teams that are looking for coaches would love to have a top 5 - top 10 defense.   That's not to say that he should be a head coach, but he has been a very good defensive coordinators for the Bills.  It's easy to say "fire him" which is ridiculous, to replace him with someone better that shares McD's philosophy would be difficult.  

 

If you've paid attention to this organization in how they operate from the Pegulas, to Beane to McD they all preach continuity.  This team most likely will look to hire from within to elevate to the position and hopefully the person they elevate will be someone who can add a wrinkle or two to the defense.

[BuffaloBill]

2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

First of all, whatever you think of McDermott and Frazier, they are both men of character and integrity.  It is and should be the highest priority to maintain that.

 

Second, I expect that prospective employers are going to pay far more attention to what's said in private and in interviews than to what's said in a press conference.  There are probably a dozen guys who have some idea what actually went on, on the sidelines, in the last couple minutes of the game - coaching assistants, AV guys, trainers, players.  All these guys know people who know people on other teams.

 

Bottom line, useless and counterproductive notion.

 

Besides - how do we know that in fact McDermott DIDN'T weigh heavily into the defensive play calling in the last 2 minutes?  We've seen him on "mic'd up" sessions talking to the defensive captains during time outs and he's acknowledged weighing in at times before.

 

 

I'm not sure about "the corner there is supposed to play inside leverage". 

 

Erik Turner has some stuff up in his twitter feed

 

 

 

 

When you look at Turners film it’s rediculuos to see how open they left the middle of the field.  Way too much space and ground available to Kelce.  It’s like they conceded the FG to stop a TD attempt.  

[TheyCallMeAndy]

If Shanahan can get a HC job after blowing the 28-3 lead in the SB, Frazier will be fine.

[Patrick Duffy]

Just now, BuffaloBill said:

 

 

When you look at Turners film it’s rediculuos to see how open they left the middle of the field.  Way too much space and ground available to Kelce.  It’s like they conceded the FG to stop a TD attempt.  

Yeah, I'll never understand it. Also it's almost like they thought KC didn't have any TO's.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said:

When you look at Turners film it’s rediculuos to see how open they left the middle of the field.  Way too much space and ground available to Kelce.  It’s like they conceded the FG to stop a TD attempt.  

 

It does look that way.

 

It reminded me of the Houston playoff game, where yes, you want your safeties to play deep, but not so *****in' deep they give up the first down (which they did)

 

I don't know whose mistake it was, but it was clearly a glaring mistake

 

[TPS]

1 hour ago, Magox said:

Ridiculous - Leslie Frazier has had top 5 and top 10 defenses for 4 out of the last 5 years, without any real superstars.  Yes, they got burnt by the Chiefs, but who hasn't?   The Chiefs have a great offense and they are playing on all cylinders right now.   

 

I think many of these teams that are looking for coaches would love to have a top 5 - top 10 defense.   That's not to say that he should be a head coach, but he has been a very good defensive coordinators for the Bills.  It's easy to say "fire him" which is ridiculous, to replace him with someone better that shares McD's philosophy would be difficult.  

 

If you've paid attention to this organization in how they operate from the Pegulas, to Beane to McD they all preach continuity.  This team most likely will look to hire from within to elevate to the position and hopefully the person they elevate will be someone who can add a wrinkle or two to the defense.

Eric Washington most likely, if anything changes.

[Livinginthepast]

What I would like to know is what was different in our defense Sunday compared to when we beat them earlier in the season. Is Trey White's presence the only thing? Did we play the same style of defense and just had more luck and made a couple of more plays in the previous game or did we tinker with what worked? I dont really remember enough about what we did the first time to know. If it was different on Sunday then why? If it wasnt different then why was it mostly ineffective? 

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

Most certainly was, but that defense called was just as much imo. I could get it a little better if KC had no T.O's. They had all 3 in their pocket and you just can't call that type of D in that situation, especially when PM is the QB.

 

Yeah, but they also do not know what happened on those plays, and will hear Fraziers side of it still.  We don't know if it was Frazier or if the players poorly executed what was intended.  

 

Just saying, they are not going to give up on Frazier over that if they felt he was the right guy.  Anyone in the NFL knows its never a single persons fault.  

[popcornpam]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

It does look that way.

 

It reminded me of the Houston playoff game, where yes, you want your safeties to play deep, but not so *****in' deep they give up the first down (which they did)

 

I don't know whose mistake it was, but it was clearly a glaring mistake

 

Sean McDermott calls time out and re-position the players at the end of the games it happens all the time. I’ve seen him overrule a blitz call in Arizona before the  Hail Murray. He does the same conservative thing. He’s very stubborn. I was at the Houston game and I knew we were gonna give it up at the end because he has a pattern Being too conservative and  put the players way back. It seems like they’re stuck in a spot and told to stay there. I’ve seen it games that are one scores game. 
 

I was at the Houston Bills game the year before and Jerry Hughes came off the field yelling why can’t we blitz. Frazier has said that coach McDermott doesn’t like to blitz. 
 

McDermott is running that defense and he is the one making the calls at the end of close games watch him on TV. 

[Patrick Duffy]

Just now, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Yeah, but they also do not know what happened on those plays, and will hear Fraziers side of it still.  We don't know if it was Frazier or if the players poorly executed what was intended.  

 

Just saying, they are not going to give up on Frazier over that if they felt he was the right guy.  Anyone in the NFL knows its never a single persons fault.  

Yeah 100% agree regarding the Frazier talk. Just saying the defense called during that 13 sec factored about the same as not squib kicking did imo. I really feel it was the Defensive play calling the 13 sec and not anything executed poorly or not. With 13 on the clock only needing a FG along with all of their TO's, I was/still am baffled at Defense called.

 

3 time outs is main thing for me, made no sense the D falling that far back in what certainly seemed like prevent to me. When considering not only the QB we were defending, he also had his time outs. In that situation it's no question to stay with the same D you've played all along imo

[ArtVandalay]

It was his call.  With 13 seconds they called a TO before each play KC ran,  McD got the team in and formulated a plan with the staff.  It was 100% his call he is the Head Coach.

 

If he not making the call there that's an even bigger issue.

[Nitro]

Coaches in the NFL whether they win or lose do not tell the truth of their decision process.  Nature of the beast.   Funny thing is when the become commentators, they open up.   

[Niagara Dude]

4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

First of all, whatever you think of McDermott and Frazier, they are both men of character and integrity.  It is and should be the highest priority to maintain that.

 

Second, I expect that prospective employers are going to pay far more attention to what's said in private and in interviews than to what's said in a press conference.  There are probably a dozen guys who have some idea what actually went on, on the sidelines, in the last couple minutes of the game - coaching assistants, AV guys, trainers, players.  All these guys know people who know people on other teams.

 

Bottom line, useless and counterproductive notion.

 

Besides - how do we know that in fact McDermott DIDN'T weigh heavily into the defensive play calling in the last 2 minutes?  We've seen him on "mic'd up" sessions talking to the defensive captains during time outs and he's acknowledged weighing in at times before.

 

 

I'm not sure about "the corner there is supposed to play inside leverage". 

 

Erik Turner has some stuff up in his twitter feed

 

 

Why the free release from Kelce,  Sean & Frazier screwed up as bad as you could in the most critical time of the game.  The Hill pass was not much different,  wide open and no resistance at the line.  By the way the Bills could have just tackled one of the two on both plays and only receive a 5 yard penalty,  that is within the  new rules.  On both play Mahomes gets the ball out fast and they still only had 3 sec left,  had he have to hold on to the ball they would have run out of time even with timeouts.  Stupid coaching and now we watch the Chiefs go to another Super bowl

[Nitro]

Just now, ArtVandalay said:

It was his call.  With 13 seconds they called a TO before each play KC ran,  McD got the team in and formulated a plan with the staff.  It was 100% his call he is the Head Coach.

 

If he not making the call there that's an even bigger issue.

Tasker and Brown on OBL stated they run those scenarios at the beginning of every practice.  McD admitted that execution was lacking on the kick off and the 13 second sequence  Frazier and McD put in the work and the players are suppose to execute. 

[Patrick Duffy]

26 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Yeah, but they also do not know what happened on those plays, and will hear Fraziers side of it still.  We don't know if it was Frazier or if the players poorly executed what was intended.  

 

Just saying, they are not going to give up on Frazier over that if they felt he was the right guy.  Anyone in the NFL knows its never a single persons fault.  

Sorry, just wanted to add regarding my response....all game Bills D played to keep KC from the big play. They certainly picked the worst time to go away from that imo

 

 

3 minutes ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

Yeah 100% agree regarding the Frazier talk. Just saying the defense called during that 13 sec factored about the same as not squib kicking did imo. I really feel it was the Defensive play calling the 13 sec and not anything executed poorly or not. With 13 on the clock only needing a FG along with all of their TO's, I was/still am baffled at Defense called.

 

3 time outs is main thing for me, made no sense the D falling that far back in what certainly seemed like prevent to me. When considering not only the QB we were defending, he also had his time outs. In that situation it's no question to stay with the same D you've played all along imo

 

[jkeerie]

Frazier, I believe, wanted the Chicago job.  It looks like Ryan Pole from KC will be hired as their next GM.  I don't believe Frazier is under consideration by the Bears for HC.  I believe second interviews are Quinn and Caldwell.  

[Billzgobowlin]

There is a very real chance that playcalling wasn't the issue and execution was.  

[Alphadawg7]

4 minutes ago, jkeerie said:

Frazier, I believe, wanted the Chicago job.  It looks like Ryan Pole from KC will be hired as their next GM.  I don't believe Frazier is under consideration by the Bears for HC.  I believe second interviews are Quinn and Caldwell.  

 

Yeah I think the same.  From what I have seen and heard, it seems the only place that really had any traction was Chicago in terms of interest in Frazier.  And now it seems the GM they are bringing has his eyes set on those other 2 like you mentioned.  

 

I would like to see a change at DC personally, but if Frazier doesn't get the HC offers, I assume he is going to be back unfortunately.  I want to see what another DC can do with Edmunds this year as well.  We have some decisions to make, and I think a lot of the issues with Edmunds could be tied to how he is used.  I would like to see him used in a more aggressive role, the way Parsons is used in Dallas, and see how he responds.