Buffalo716 Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, NewEra said: I don’t think he has any on offense. He had 6 his rookie year and 2 the following year. None the next 2 years and 2 this season. Like you said though, he hasn’t had many touches on O. i don’t think he should have a full load, but I think he should’ve been getting a minimum of 3-4 plays a game where he’s the #1 option, running or receiving and the. Another 5-10 where he’s in motion as a decoy. The opposing D has to account for his speed. Absolutely he should have a package Anytime you have to account for somebody on offense it's a positive 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 5 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: I think he loves Buffalo and will re-sign. I think all he needs to hear from McDermott is that he will be a regular rotational player at least. There seemed to be some tension from McKenzie's end after the benching but things seem good now. Eh I mean he's a professional who basically lost his role playing I definitely sensed disappointment but I didn't sense any true professional tension I've lost my starting job before.. definitely was angry.. maybe I gave the coach a cold shoulder for a day But there is a reason in there .. and it's usually to push a player to a new height Sometimes you need to push some buttons to get results 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 3 hours ago, Special K said: Let's make McKenzie the Bills Tyreek Hill instead of the scout team Tyreek Hill!! It’s happening right before our eyes. McKenzie will be a significant part of offense through the SB 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 2 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: I don't think it's that many since he got here ... Maybe 1 or 2 But he also took 40 plus returns.. and only had 20 catches this season So he has a lot more chance to put it on the carpet while returning . McDermott did say it was an issue in practice... And it's hard to give somebody a full load when they are fumbling in practice Did McD actually say that McKenzie was fumbling in practice on KR/PR? Or at all? I had actually seen other people saying "he had issues in practice" but when I asked how that was known, I didn't ever see an answer. Someone - think it was @Shaw66 - talked about being at a game watching warm-ups, and how McKenzie was body-catching the ball. Even if he's not fumbling, if people are telling him "this is how you need to catch the ball" and he's not listening and reverting to bad habits, that's got to change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 35 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Did McD actually say that McKenzie was fumbling in practice on KR/PR? Or at all? I had actually seen other people saying "he had issues in practice" but when I asked how that was known, I didn't ever see an answer. Someone - think it was @Shaw66 - talked about being at a game watching warm-ups, and how McKenzie was body-catching the ball. Even if he's not fumbling, if people are telling him "this is how you need to catch the ball" and he's not listening and reverting to bad habits, that's got to change. Yes, I was the one who commented about the body catching. I was so surprised when I first saw it that I watched three or four more reps. Diggs had people intentionally giving him balls he had to reach for, and he clearly was practicing using his hands. McKenzie was getting easier balls to catch, and he caught most or all against his body. I've complained about using him on returns, because a turnover on those plays is the most damaging play in football. And he flubbed another a couple of weeks ago, which is why Hyde started returning. When you think about it, it just doesn't matter, relatively speaking, how big the returns are - you get very few long returns, and a fumble is much worse than an occasional return. So, I wouldn't have him back there any more. However, he's become an important part of the offensive attack. The Bills have been featuring his speed, and i think it's evident that McKenzie is a problem for defenses. When he's on the field, he could run out of the backfield, run the sweeps, catch swing passes, and run routes downfield. As much as I've grumbled about him and his shortcomings, I think he's important to the offense now. Will he be back next season? I don't know. The reality is that rosters in the NFL turn over pretty quickly, and I think we should expect to see some turnover this off-season. Oline has already been reshaped, Dline will lose some people, other positions likely will see some change, too. It's just in the nature of the game. McKenzie certainly could be a victim. He's been a contributor, but it might be time for him to move on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 The way Josh’s been running why not throw him in there on the scout team as Hill for a series or 2? 🤔 (Yes I know, we are in full-on Chuck Norris can do anything territory here with Josh) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybrew1 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 A few months ago I was making lists of things the Bills need now I'm wondering how in the world will we be able to keep: McKenzie, Wallace, Phillips, Bates and Neal? LOL! Football is weird. It truly is.... it'd be great if we could keep them. Go Bills! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 5 hours ago, BillnutinHouston said: "Not a crazy idea..." Not a crazy idea if Hill was going to be double covered but single covered no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Has McKenzie ever run a go route? I don’t recall him going deep even thought you’d think he could get 4 or 5 steps on most dbs… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Did Levi say anything about Beasley being on the scout team ? If the Chiefs have a slow white guy that runs 5 yard outs and drops passes, then runs off the field yelling at his coach, we are definitely covered ! 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 1 minute ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said: Did Levi say anything about Beasley being on the scout team ? If the Chiefs have a slow white guy that runs 5 yard outs and drops passes, then runs off the field yelling at his coach, we are definitely covered ! Did that really happen, the yelling at MCD thing? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 6 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Maybe McKenzie can be used more like Hill here. 6 hours ago, NewEra said: Agreed. I was so confused to why they just stopped using him in the playoffs last year and the first 3/4 of this season for the most part. Up until the 2nd patriot game he had 11 targets (7 catches) and 6 rushes. That’s a ridiculously low number of touches for someone with his ability. I’ve been saying it all year, he needs to be part of the offense as well as a long term part of this franchise. He’s everything you want in a player minus the fumbles. Maybe they were trying to keep him fresh for the playoffs? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 5 hours ago, NewEra said: the pats have 2.5M in cap space. he’s going to get a “huge money offer”? I think you have a strange definition of huge money offer. I don’t see him signing with the pats. Little to no chance imo. If the patriots have trouble becoming a SB contender i think it will be hard for them to sign players because the patriot way isnt fun for most players. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 McKenzie has one awesome game and we’re like omg! I still don’t know what his future is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 5 hours ago, london_bills said: Hopefully mckenzie got a raise mid season, such an important player No such thing, (unless there are performance metrics that are built into the contract) they get their raises or paycuts when the contract is up or renogotiated 5 hours ago, Chicken Boo said: I wouldn't re-sign here if I were him. He is criminally underutilized. he will if he wants multiple Superbowls Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 20 minutes ago, london_bills said: Did that really happen, the yelling at MCD thing? Yes. It was in the @BADOLBILZ thread but it looks like they took the video down. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 14 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: No such thing, (unless there are performance metrics that are built into the contract) they get their raises or paycuts when the contract is up or renogotiated he will if he wants multiple Superbowls I understand wanting to win, but they're also professionals. They want to play and get paid as well. I'm sure Isaiah sees himself as more than just a gadget guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Chicken Boo said: I understand wanting to win, but they're also professionals. They want to play and get paid as well. I'm sure Isaiah sees himself as more than just a gadget guy. Right , but my point was mid season raises dont happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 20 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Maybe McKenzie can be used more like Hill here. Maybe they were trying to keep him fresh for the playoffs? I don’t think they wanted to keep him fresh, maybe more along the lines keeping him off tape and out of the opposing DCs game plans. If we used him starting week one, like last year, there’s more opportunity for opposing DCs to figure out how to stop him. Last year, we didn’t use him when the real bullets started flying in the playoffs. It seemed like our opponents defended his plays better as the year went on.. No one has really stopped him yet this year yet. He’s done work since being implemented 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 27 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said: Yes. It was in the @BADOLBILZ thread but it looks like they took the video down. Nah. It's still on there. Page 12. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Let's Go Buffalo Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 McKenzie definitely needs to be utilized more in the offense. He's gotten more touches the last few games, and that has to continue to happen and hopefully increase from here on out. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
letsgoteam Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 7 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Anyone want to clue in the coaching staff? I know its been better lately, but dang alot of fans have been calling for this all season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 6 hours ago, ColoradoBills said: If he continues playing well he will be back in Buffalo on a 3 year deal next season. 3,4,5 million for the 3 years ($12M total) gets it done IMO. I don't see him wanting to leave and I see his best football is still in front of him. He’ll get more than that from some team. In fact, I bet he pulls in at least 6 million a year. My bet is that he ends up with the Chargers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearNorth Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Shaw66 said: [snip] which is why Hyde started returning[snip]. ?Why does having our likely defensive MVP this year returning kicks scare the *%#$ out of me. All we need is a headhunting gunner trade 15 yards for laying the wood to arguably our best defender. Edited January 21, 2022 by BearNorth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 58 minutes ago, BearNorth said: ?Why does having our likely defensive MVP this year returning kicks scare the *%#$ out of me. All we need is a headhunting gunner trade 15 yards for laying the wood to arguably our best defender. Watch Hyde. He gives himself up. He doesn't take hits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Watch Hyde take one for 6. He has before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 21, 2022 Author Share Posted January 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Mat68 said: Watch Hyde take one for 6. He has before. Almost did on Saturday but got tripped up by friendly fire 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 14 hours ago, Beast said: He’ll get more than that from some team. In fact, I bet he pulls in at least 6 million a year. My bet is that he ends up with the Chargers. It's true some team might do that but only 33 WRs in the league make $6M a year or more. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/average/wide-receiver/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 17 hours ago, BearNorth said: ?Why does having our likely defensive MVP this year returning kicks scare the *%#$ out of me. All we need is a headhunting gunner trade 15 yards for laying the wood to arguably our best defender. I'm glad I'm not the only one 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 I hope that Dabol has some plays for Lil dirty in this game the Bills will need all hands on deck for this one & his speed & change of direction will be hard for the Chiefs to match as it is with Hill . Lil Dirty could be the Bills secret weapon in this game !! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 meh, Levi knows a LOT of matchup problems.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 On 1/20/2022 at 1:46 PM, JohnBonhamRocks said: Definitely similarly twitchy. Our offense is much more versatile with McKenzie regularly involved. He’s a difference maker for us he makes our offense borderline unstoppable. All that pre snap movement he does puts the opposing defense in a bind forces them to pause for just a extra split second at the snap which makes a huge difference. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 3 hours ago, T master said: I hope that Dabol has some plays for Lil dirty in this game the Bills will need all hands on deck for this one & his speed & change of direction will be hard for the Chiefs to match as it is with Hill . Lil Dirty could be the Bills secret weapon in this game !! Use to live in Lyndonville Bill ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 On 1/20/2022 at 8:13 PM, Let's Go Buffalo said: McKenzie definitely needs to be utilized more in the offense. He's gotten more touches the last few games, and that has to continue to happen and hopefully increase from here on out. Especially if the Chiefs plan on playing tight man coverage all game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalosouth Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 Let's hope Mckenzie does some similar damage tonight. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, T master said: Use to live in Lyndonville Bill ... Me too. MANY years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 McKenzie, it turns out, does not make an adequate T Hill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: McKenzie, it turns out, does not make an adequate T Hill. His speed is unreal. It's like a cheat code on Madden. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 1 minute ago, Big Turk said: His speed is unreal. It's like a cheat code on Madden. The one play where he jogged past our sprinting Safeties (who had the angle on him) was unreal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: McKenzie, it turns out, does not make an adequate T Hill. I'm sure whoever played Mahomes or Kelce on the scout team weren't adequate either.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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