Why Cole or Isaiah?

[TFBillsfan]

Could see them restructuring Cole but would prefer having both weapons. Regarding the cap, have to believe Star, Hughes, Addison and Butler won’t be on the roster next year. Extend or resign, Diggs, Levi and Williams at OG. 
 

Adding a stud OG would help this OL greatly. Needs then are DT, CB, RB and depth at TE and OT. Go get your top FA and then be aggressive in the draft as there will only be few opportunities for rookies to compete for.

[HamSandwhich]

Just now, No Place To Hyde said:

Yes...good was literally the word I used. 

Was it? I must be seeing something else, I think he was a better than average to top 5 slot receiver in Dallas. 

[dgrochester55]

Hopefully Beasley will restructure, it seems that many other Bills have been willing to do this recently.   With his current price and the needs ot the team going into the next season, he may be a necessary price cut otherwise.

[TBBills]

Cole is missing too many teeth now.

[NewEra]

31 minutes ago, HamSandwhich said:

No I disagree, there is a diatribe against Cole mainly because he says things people think he ought not and they want to burn him at the stake for it. Pathetic in my opinion. 

He was actually pretty good in Dallas 

Yeah, for sure.  There are a bunch of fans that feel that way.  I just feel that, when it comes to the Beane, money will be the biggest factor in his decision 

[HamSandwhich]

Just now, NewEra said:

Yeah, for sure.  There are a bunch of fans that feel that way.  I just feel that, when it comes to the Beane, money will be the biggest factor in his decision 

Fair enough. 

[97bills]

2 hours ago, Warcodered said:

Sad fact of the NFL is Josh is at some point going to be throwing to a completely different cast of characters because everyone he's throwing to right now will of retired a good stretch before him, not to mention the guys blocking for him.

Yep and players like diggs don’t come around often, dude is a great route runner so glad we traded for him 

[Just in Atlanta]

37 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 Your reply seems pretty shortsighted and condescending, but let's break it down. 

 

One we have a viable replacement for, the other we don't. One is in his prime, age & ability wise, the other will be 33 before the draft. One is considered one of the best in the league, the other is not.

 

Also one is 9th in receiving yards and tied for 6th in receiving TDs. The other is 47th in receiving yards and tied for 153th in receiving TDs. McKenzie has found the end zone more times this year than Beasley with 1/3 of the touches Beasley has had. 

 

When you have to start paying your QB you have to make tough choices like this. Though I personally don't see this as a tough choice.

Comparing a slot receiver to Diggs is not logical, hence my (yes) condescending remark. Again, this is not an either or argument nor should it be. 

But since you brought up stats, let's do that. Among SLOT receivers, Beasley is:

No. 3 in receptions. 
No. 5 in reception yards.

 

Not bad. 

 

He is reliable still, has a knack of finding the soft spot in the zone and plays tough. 

[BigDingus]

18 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

So sick of fans saying we should get rid of Beasley and keep McKenzie.

 

Here is an idea , keep them both and play them at the same time on some plays.

 

Why get rid of a good player when you can get rid of the worst player on the team, when the offseason comes.

 

And this goes for all positions.

 

 

 

Can't believe 2 people downvoted you.

 

Yesterday proved why you keep multiple good players at the same position when you can! Injuries happen, COVID happens, suspensions happen... "Next man up," is often thrown out, but that often just means "pray for the best & hope they don't bomb!"

In this case, we KNOW they won't bomb, don't have to expect the worst, and know they're capable of high production without setting back the team. 

 

Getting rid of one of them kills that luxury. You're back to gambling on full time availability & hopes the replacements don't handicap the team. When they're both healthy, you then have even MORE options & ways to attack an opponent! You don't intentionally negate that blessing. 

 

If you lose one, it better be because they chose to leave... or some team with a ton of cap space threw the bank at them. 

[T master]

18 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Beasley will likely be a cap casualty if he doesn’t retire. I appreciate all he’s done for this team and hope they can find a way to hang on to him. 

 

Sander will definitely be gone next year i believe so there will be extra money to keep the both of them .

[LyndonvilleBill]

55 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

It's almost like people on here are reactionary and prisoners of the moment? Mac had the game of his career and people immediately think that is repeatable every game. Beasley has shown to be a much more consistent player and deserves to get back into the lineup. But Mac should be used more too. I would say give Sanders less snaps as the WR4 and give more of those snaps to Mac. Beasley has still been fairly productive this season and Josh has a high level of comfort with him.

 I am a Big Lil Dirty fan and have always thought he had more in him than we've been allowed to see. Although I think McKenzie can repeat good games if given the chance, I still like having Cole's experience available coming down the stretch and in the playoffs. Given Beasley's age and being dinged a bit lately, I am really glad to have McKenzie. Gives Cole time to get healthy and be ready to go or to totally step in if needed. I'll leave the question of Cole OR McKenzie open until the offseason. The one negative I have with Lil Dirty is his TD dance/celebration needs major improvement.😁

 

 

[716er]

32 minutes ago, Just in Atlanta said:

But since you brought up stats, let's do that. Among SLOT receivers, Beasley is:

No. 3 in receptions. 
No. 5 in reception yards.

 

Curious where you found stats ranking slot receivers. I was looking for some last night. 

[MAJBobby]

Ok If Cole adjusts his number to say 2M or 3M he can stay. Otherwise he can go. 

[BillMafia716ix]

I don’t see Bease leaving. Buffalo resurrected his career and why would he leave playing with one of best QB’s in the NFL. Hell def restructure 

[JohnNord]

19 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

So sick of fans saying we should get rid of Beasley and keep McKenzie.

 

Here is an idea , keep them both and play them at the same time on some plays.

 

Why get rid of a good player when you can get rid of the worst player on the team, when the offseason comes.

 

And this goes for all positions.

 

 

I’m all for it but next year the Bills are tight against the cap and can save money by cutting Beasley, which they could use to re-sign McKenzie and maybe another player.  
 

 

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

53 minutes ago, Just in Atlanta said:

Comparing a slot receiver to Diggs is not logical, hence my (yes) condescending remark. Again, this is not an either or argument nor should it be. 

But since you brought up stats, let's do that. Among SLOT receivers, Beasley is:

No. 3 in receptions. 
No. 5 in reception yards.

 

Not bad. 

 

He is reliable still, has a knack of finding the soft spot in the zone and plays tough. 

 

 I'm sure those numbers are true, but how many slot guys are getting the number of targets he gets? 101(T27th in the league) in 14 games.

 

His longest catch since October is 15 yards, his biggest game 64 yards, his 1st down catches are way down this year, his yards per catch is the lowest of his career, he only has 1 TD(Lowest since his rookie year). That's against some good and bad defenses. IMO yesterday showed it isn't play calling, McKenzie just tore it up against a top 3 passing defense.

 

We'll see what happens, but I think we're going to see a youth movement at WR2 & WR3 next year and rightfully so.

[Dablitzkrieg]

I don't think it is a bad idea to have both next year. 

[ColoradoBills]

I personally think Cole's fate for next season will depend on his performance in the playoffs.

[MAJBobby]

Here is what McKenzie Brings that Beasley no longer can. 
 

 

[Franchiseneedsme]

I think IF the online is going to play like they did yesterday I want Diggs/Davis on the outside  and Makenzie in the slot. And same with Knox in on 4 wr sets.  Davis is better than Sanders at this point. If he's in yesterday he would've had is usual 4 catch 69+ yards and another TD.  Beasley is huge if we need someone to win off the line and catch a 3rd and 3 when Josh is under quick pressure. But if the line holds up Diggs, Davis, Mckenzie, and knox are the offenses best option. Mckenzie adds to team speed and scheme. No Def can stop that if Josh has time. 

Edited December 27, 2021 by Franchiseneedsme

[Buffalo Barbarian]

On 12/26/2021 at 8:25 PM, pennstate10 said:

Beasley still has reliable hands and gets separation in zone. 
 

but he’s lost a step or two, doesn’t separate consistently in man, has become a team nuisance, and costs about 5x as much as mckittrick. NFL cap is a zero sum game. You can’t have everything you want. 

 

He separates just fine , he still gets open and fights for first downs, they actually have to throw it to like in Miami, Washington and Tampa.

 

 

On 12/26/2021 at 8:27 PM, 716er said:

 

In 2022 Cole shouldn't be penciled in as a starter. 

 

guess we'll find out

 

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

On 12/26/2021 at 8:30 PM, billsbackto81 said:

Isaiah really showed me something today. He's not as shifty in the slot as Beasley but his separation and speed create more YAC than Cole.

 

He does but as i said no reason both cant be on the field at the same time.

 

 

22 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Other things being equal I agree with you

But

We’re going to need to find cap space from somewhere

 

 

 

 

He can be restructured along with star and cutting Ford and Feliciano and Sanders will be gone. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

7 hours ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 Love Beasley, but his numbers have been declining the last 2 months. After playing the Dolphins on 10/31 he was averaging 62 ypg, since then he's averaged 34.

 

 McKenzie has the same number of TDs & 100 yard games as Beasley with 78 less targets.

 

You mean like in the Tampa?

 

Hes not declining its all in how Dabol game plans but when we feature the slot guys this team does a lot better.

 

Like was done in NE with Welker and edleman.

 

 

[716er]

28 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

He can be restructured along with star and cutting Ford and Feliciano and Sanders will be gone. 

 

Good point - Sanders is out next year too, though Beane will likely go for another vet for a one year deal to round out the WR corps. Though would Beane do the same next year now that Davis has established himself? Not sure there.

 

One point my father made today that I have not thought of - the Bills are now in a position of strength when it comes to luring in free agent WRs. Buffalo has one of the best QBs in the league who is going to sling it all over the field. If Beane makes a competitive offer, odds are the WR he is going after is going to want to play with the best QB to increase their odds of having a big year and making more money down the road. 

 

Makes me curious who Beane would make an offer to. He's shown he is not scared to go after big names to play with Allen (ie Antonio Brown, Diggs). Now that he got his guy, though, is he done big game hunting there?

Edited December 28, 2021 by 716er

[Buffalo Barbarian]

6 minutes ago, 716er said:

 

Good point - Sanders is out next year too, though Beane will likely go for another vet for a one year deal to round out the WR corps. Though would Beane do the same next year now that Davis has established himself? Not sure there.

 

One point my father made today that I have not thought of - the Bills are now in a position of strength when it comes to luring in free agent WRs. Buffalo has one of the best QBs in the league who is going to sling it all over the field. If Beane makes a competitive offer, odds are the WR he is going after is going to want to play with the best QB to increase their odds of having a big year and making more money down the road. 

 

Makes me curious who Beane would make an offer to. He's shown he is not scared to go after big names to play with Allen (ie Antonio Brown, Diggs). Now that he got his guy, though, is he done big game hunting there?

 

I dont see them going big game hunting but i do hope we improve the interior of both lines. I think we are good at WR right now, although im still peeved about not going after Ertz, stud TE who went for peanuts

 

 

[Punching Bag]

On 12/26/2021 at 8:34 PM, BillsFanForever19 said:

Why? Because he's getting old, beat up, and has been largely ineffective this season. Not to mention his being fined 6 digits for habitually not following league rules (which could have contributed to other issues with this team) and continues to be a giant distraction, going out of his way to publicly feed the media fodder. When we needed him the most, his "personal choice" made him unavailable to us.

 

Actually he proved that we did not need him the most for we won.

 

And he may not even have COVID-19 standard and my have Omicron which is very contagious even though to those vaccinated.

It is possible a lot of people who are not tested have it and are asymptomatic.

Some get it, fight it off and then no longer test.

 

It would be nice if the NFL would give more info such as:   Beasley suspended due to test showing following variants: .xxx, xxx,  xxx but they won't.

 

[Just in Atlanta]

To make this simple, I’ll let you figure out which of these players is which sandwich.

 

My go-to sandwich is a pastrami on rye.

 

Yesterday, I had a meatball sub.

 

It was delicious.

 

I enjoyed it more than the pastrami on rye.

 

I must never eat a pastrami on rye again.

 

 

 

[17islongenough]

Just now, Just in Atlanta said:

To make this simple, I’ll let you figure out which of these players is which sandwich.

 

My go-to sandwich is a pastrami on rye.

 

Yesterday, I had a meatball sub.

 

It was delicious.

 

I enjoyed it more than the pastrami on rye.

 

I must never eat a pastrami on rye again.

 

 

 

Would you stop eating pastrami on rye if meant saving a few million dollars

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

1 hour ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

You mean like in the Tampa?

 

Hes not declining its all in how Dabol game plans but when we feature the slot guys this team does a lot better.

 

Like was done in NE with Welker and edleman.

 

 

 

 That's his best game in 2 months. 9 catches for 64 yards, 7.1 Avg; 0 First Down catches & no TDs. His yards in the other games since October 33, 15, 23, 46, 11 & 35. He doesn't have a single First Down catch in his last 5 games.

 

 He doesn't score and isn't even getting any First Downs. I like him, but I think it's time to move on....like make McKenzie the starter immediately. Him and Gabe, time to get younger at the WR positions opposite of Diggs.

[billieve420]

On 12/26/2021 at 8:10 PM, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

Get rid of somebody else, you dont get rid of a pretty good player because another is better after the catch. Beasley has come up big for us and gotten many first downs. Id get rid of Stevenson before Beasley.

 

 

 

Yawn

 

 

Won’t happen because Stevenson is on cheap rookie contract. Both lines need upgrading and if you can do it by going cheaper with McKenzie while not losing much FO has to consider it in the offseason.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

On 12/26/2021 at 8:04 PM, Buffalo Barbarian said:

So sick of fans saying we should get rid of Beasley and keep McKenzie.

 

Here is an idea , keep them both and play them at the same time on some plays.

 

Why get rid of a good player when you can get rid of the worst player on the team, when the offseason comes.

 

And this goes for all positions.

 

 

It’s not about getting rid of anyone for me.

 

But it’s this Coaching staff and their Holy Trinity rule of Diggs, Sanders and Beasley to where Gabe Davis and Isaiah McKenzie have to sit on the bench and watch those three.

 

Sorry, but it’s been evident all season that Beasley has lost a step and it’s also evident that this offense is at its best with pre-snap motion.

 

This staff looks stupid for not using McKenzie until they were forced to in Week 16.

 

And they did this last year after the Dolphins game in Week 17. He scores 2 TDs and they just took him straight out of the offense for the Playoff run. 
 

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

4 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

Here is what McKenzie Brings that Beasley no longer can. 
 

 

Looks like McKenzie primarily lined up at the Y receiver position which is Coles primary position. 

 

McKenzie shows alot of versatility in that you can line him up at the Z position as well.

 

I would bring Cole as a backup for the Y in 2022 and start McKenzie at the Y.

 

But I doubt Cole will want to be a backup and with a pay cut as well

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

You mean like in the Tampa?

 

Hes not declining its all in how Dabol game plans but when we feature the slot guys this team does a lot better.

 

Like was done in NE with Welker and edleman.

 

TBH, I do think Beasley has fallen off a good bit this year.  I think he's not as fast and not as quick - of course I could be influenced by his play after the Spearing in the Miami game, perhaps he was quicker before that.

 

But watching McKenzie, I thought it was noticeable that he ran his routes far more quickly than Beasley does.

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

21 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

It’s not about getting rid of anyone for me.

 

But it’s this Coaching staff and their Holy Trinity rule of Diggs, Sanders and Beasley to where Gabe Davis and Isaiah McKenzie have to sit on the bench and watch those three.

 

Sorry, but it’s been evident all season that Beasley has lost a step and it’s also evident that this offense is at its best with pre-snap motion.

 

This staff looks stupid for not using McKenzie until they were forced to in Week 16.

 

And they did this last year after the Dolphins game in Week 17. He scores 2 TDs and they just took him straight out of the offense for the Playoff run. 
 

 

It reminds me of when they kept playing Gore even though it was evident after the first 4-5 games he began declining quickly and Singletary was doing very well.

 

[purple haze]

On 12/26/2021 at 8:04 PM, Buffalo Barbarian said:

So sick of fans saying we should get rid of Beasley and keep McKenzie.

 

Here is an idea , keep them both and play them at the same time on some plays.

 

Why get rid of a good player when you can get rid of the worst player on the team, when the offseason comes.

 

And this goes for all positions.

 

 

Because Beasley costs more and they need money to improve other areas of the team they aren’t as strong in or to extend players that are part of their nucleus for the next few years.  McKenzie is younger, faster and won’t cost near as much.

 

It ain’t personal.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

1 hour ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

Looks like McKenzie primarily lined up at the Y receiver position which is Coles primary position. 

 

McKenzie shows alot of versatility in that you can line him up at the Z position as well.

 

I would bring Cole as a backup for the Y in 2022 and start McKenzie at the Y.

 

But I doubt Cole will want to be a backup and with a pay cut as well

I don’t care what Cole wants.

 

Come back at vet minimum or you’re out of here.

 

At this point you offer zero big play ability.

 

Finding guys who give you 8.5 yards per reception and no run after the catch are not the key to the any offense. 
 

He’s been a loudmouth this year and has fallen off. 
 

Isaiah McKenzie was better yesterday than all but maybe one of your games this season.

 

This Coaching Staff deserves criticism for not figuring out how to give McKenzie more touches. He showed them in the Jets game that a few touches leads to touchdowns, he showed the same thing Week 17 last year.

 

And it never seems to matter to McDermott. It’s more important to get Taiwan Jones on the field, or get Reggie Gilliam 6 snaps.

1 hour ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

It reminds me of when they kept playing Gore even though it was evident after the first 4-5 games he began declining quickly and Singletary was doing very well.

 

Amen man, that was the worst and such a boat anchor that dragged that team down.

 

Frank Gore was beyond shot and instead of Singletary shining against Houston, it was Frank Gore for 8 wasted carries.

 

The Bills have done a poor job with McKenzie despite him showing production in next to no role in this offense. 

[Ray Stonada]

I just hope the Bills ride with McKenzie and Davis as the starters for the playoff run. At this point Beasley and Sanders don’t look anywhere near as dynamic.

 

Start the guys who produce the most. Teams respond well to that.

 

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

18 hours ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 That's his best game in 2 months. 9 catches for 64 yards, 7.1 Avg; 0 First Down catches & no TDs. His yards in the other games since October 33, 15, 23, 46, 11 & 35. He doesn't have a single First Down catch in his last 5 games.

 

 He doesn't score and isn't even getting any First Downs. I like him, but I think it's time to move on....like make McKenzie the starter immediately. Him and Gabe, time to get younger at the WR positions opposite of Diggs.

 

Doesnt get first down!?!? Thats just wrong, he constantly fights for first downs , he doesnt get a ton of yak yards but he will get 3 or 4 yards to get that first down.

He also had big games against Washington and Miami and he had four other games were he was solid.  Most of Beasley 's production depends on if hes targeted or not, cant score or have a lot of receptions if the ball isnt thrown his way.

 

Again the whole point of this thread isnt to say who is better but that we should keep both.

 

 

[WotAGuy]

While we are scheming ways to play players that play the same position, let’s get Trubisky out there with Josh. They can both be in the shotgun. No telling who gets the snap!

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

1 hour ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

Doesnt get first down!?!? Thats just wrong, he constantly fights for first downs , he doesnt get a ton of yak yards but he will get 3 or 4 yards to get that first down.

He also had big games against Washington and Miami and he had four other games were he was solid.  Most of Beasley 's production depends on if hes targeted or not, cant score or have a lot of receptions if the ball isnt thrown his way.

 

Again the whole point of this thread isnt to say who is better but that we should keep both.

 

 

 

Beasley had 53 first downs last year in 15 games, this year in 14 games he has 32. That's a big drop-off. Last year he had 967 yards, this year 640, that's also a big drop-off. TDs down from 4 last year ti 1 this year 

 

Also most of Beasley's production was in the first half of the year, but his numbers are way down since the end of October. Case in point he has 179 yards in his last 5 games(That includes the Tampa game).

 

 That's what happens to aging vets they start the year off great and then their numbers drop like a rock in the 2nd half of the year. It's happening to Sanders also, their years have been identical, good 1st half of the year, with little since. It's literally happening to 2 of our 3 starting WRs, yet Gabe & McKenzie come in and have no problem producing in the same offense.

 

 So do I believe they abandoned the slot position since the beginning of November until last week? Or is age and the hits he's taken throughout his career starting to catch up to Beasley, has he lost a step or two?

 

 The offense was far more dynamic Sunday than it's been in quite a while and McKenzie had a ton to do with that. It's time to get younger at WR, the offense just looks better when Gabe & McKenzie are on the field.