What happened on 4th down?

[Ramza86]

As I saw it live...why didnt Allen just throw it to Bease? He got the separation and it would have been a 1st if not a walk in TD.

 

I was so pissed.

 

So Allen knew it was a blitz and it was man coverage...so he assumed that 41 would be locked up against Bease....of course 41 barely covers him and watches Allen and plays the ball thrown elsewhere. 

 

EDIT: Just to clarify, I believe Allen made the right read presnap. The safety made a nice play on Allens eyes because of the blitz. I just wish he had another split second to just see Bease and go for it.

Edited December 7, 2021 by Ramza86

[zevo]

I literally just texted a friend this...was bease not wide open across the middle?

 

[SoCal Deek]

Simple answer: Josh panicked 

[zevo]

he would have walked in the endzone

 

 

[ALLEN1QB]

With the wind I thought he was going to get a ton of passes thrown his way very surprised it did not work out like that

[Your Brown Eye]

He had his mind made up before the play, how else could you explain that? Beasley was wide open, like he was wide open for a game winning TD versus the Titans

[MAJBobby]

Allen went with Davis. With the way the wind was blowing left to right it is a better throw with the football going into the wind. The Davis or Sanders throw was a TD if not for a good play from the DB falling off Beasley. 
 

the throw to Beasley would have continued to carry toward the right sideline just like the throw to Diggs a bit earlier. That is why Allen chose Davis or Sanders whoever was in the endzone forget the number now. 
 

all plays have progression. The first read was Sanders or Davis which was Open so you take it. Because of the easier throw in the weather. 
 

I just wish we didn’t have a coward coaching staff scared of the wind. Isn’t that why they told us they drafted the big arm big handed athletic QB was because of games like last night?

Edited December 7, 2021 by MAJBobby

[Meatloaf63]

5 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Allen went with Davis. With the way the wind was blowing left to right it is a better throw with the football going into the wind. The Davis or Sanders throw was a TD if not for a good play from the DB falling off Beasley. 
 

the throw to Beasley would have continued to carry toward the right sideline just like the throw to Diggs a bit earlier. That is why Allen chose Davis or Sanders whoever was in the endzone forget the number now. 
 

all plays have progression. The first read was Sanders or Davis which was Open so you take it. Because of the easier throw in the weather. 
 

I just wish we didn’t have a coward coaching staff scared of the wind. Isn’t that why they told us they drafted the big arm big handed athletic QB was because of games like last night?

If they would have let him throw in the first half like they had to in the second half this is a different story. Same as last year, 1st game they were scared to let him throw and we barely squeezed it out. Add in the sackless choice if not going for two you have what we got…

Edited December 7, 2021 by Meatloaf63

[BuffaloRebound]

How many 4th and 14’s do you expect to convert?  The pass rush was closing in on him.  1st and 2nd down on that drive was where the game was lost. 

[HappyDays]

What happened is that the players around Allen repeatedly failed to the point that he was asked to convert a 4th and 14 against the best defense in the league with a free rusher coming at him in heavy winds. And some fans actually want to try and analyze that play as if it means anything.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

3 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

How many 4th and 14’s do you expect to convert?  The pass rush was closing in on him.  1st and 2nd down on that drive was where the game was lost. 

Yeah, gotta love pissing downs away like the first down run to Moss, who by the way shows no ability to read and bounce outside.

[BarleyNY]

I legit could not tell who was the intended target.  It was either very underthrown to the wrong WR or way off target/late to the correct one.

Just now, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

Yeah, gotta love pissing downs away like the first down run to Moss, who by the way shows no ability to read and bounce outside.

So frustrating to see those yards left on the field. 

[JoshAllin]

I'm also wondering why they never hit the clutch bease when the games on the line

[MAJBobby]

3 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said:

If they would have let him throw in the first half like they had to in the second half this is a different story. Same as last year, 1st game they were scared to let him throw and we barely squeezed it out. Add in the sackless choice if not going for two you have what we got…

Agree on my opinion McD regressed. My fear came true with all his talk about the run game in the offseason worried me that we would see Conservative in game McD not the 2021 in game McD and that is what we are seeing. 
 

not to mention you have a QB that is an absolute weapon with his legs in the redzone and yet those runs are gone. Why? Is it because you are trying to protect your investment?  And you do that by taking away some of his game?  So conservative. 
 

all the Bills do not have an offensive identity is somewhat correct. But that is because the HC doesn’t want everything to go through Allen. 
 

if I remember right his halftime notes to the reporter “we cannot rely on Josh’s arm to win this game we need to run better” or something along those lines. My statement to that is WHAT? You have an absolute Stud at QB, you identified that in the draft. Developed it to where you say maybe about what’re his yearly floor is last season. And in the biggest game of the season you handcuff that weapon. 
 

I still think we make the playoffs. But this season has exposed McD and Daboll for that matter in their coaching issues. 

10 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

How many 4th and 14’s do you expect to convert?  The pass rush was closing in on him.  1st and 2nd down on that drive was where the game was lost. 

The game was lost in the head of the coaches 

[RobbRiddick]

It's absolutely crap to lose that way and it looks like the season is spiralling but all they have to do now is beat the Bucs and then go full on ape s**t in the Pats rematch.

 

I doubt that happens though.

 

Truth is it's not worth being too upset. They had a chance, at home, to make a statement and they got beat by a team who passed it 4 times. It's their own fault

[Big Turk]

36 minutes ago, Ramza86 said:

As I saw it live...why didnt Allen just throw it to Bease? He got the separation and it would have been a 1st if not a walk in TD.

 

I was so pissed.

 

So Allen knew it was a blitz and it was man coverage...so he assumed that 41 would be locked up against Bease....of course 41 barely covers him and watches Allen and plays the ball thrown elsewhere. 

 

It would have been a TD to Davis...dude just made a good play coming off Beasley to make the play. Sometimes it happens. Should never have come down to that.

[First Round Bust]

I was in the car listening to the Bills radio and Eric Wood (who odes a great job overall) mentioned safety blitz - middle was open that is what Josh likely read and locked-into as he was short on time with the blitz and Pats defender dropped a bit deeper into the middle and batted it...

Edited December 7, 2021 by First Round Bust

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Josh being Josh. Never ever takes the higher percentage play. Beasley was wide open and it was a shorter throw with no need to arc it in. Maybe it’s not a TD, but it’s damn well a first and goal. 

[LDD]

30 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Allen went with Davis. With the way the wind was blowing left to right it is a better throw with the football going into the wind. The Davis or Sanders throw was a TD if not for a good play from the DB falling off Beasley. 
 

the throw to Beasley would have continued to carry toward the right sideline just like the throw to Diggs a bit earlier. That is why Allen chose Davis or Sanders whoever was in the endzone forget the number now. 
 

all plays have progression. The first read was Sanders or Davis which was Open so you take it. Because of the easier throw in the weather. 
 

I just wish we didn’t have a coward coaching staff scared of the wind. Isn’t that why they told us they drafted the big arm big handed athletic QB was because of games like last night?

This is exactly what happened.  If you look at the replay from the pocket, which they showed last night, Allen throws the ball before the breaks expecting the safety to follow Beeze.  He didn't and your point about the wind is also correct.  Lots of failures last night.  Josh Allen wasn't one of them. 

[DD4Bills]

52 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

Yeah, gotta love pissing downs away like the first down run to Moss, who by the way shows no ability to read and bounce outside.

+1 on this right here. On 1st & Goal from the 6, if he bounces outside he walks into endzone. Instead he cuts back in and right into the arms of the D...and since none of our RBs can break a tackle, it's now 2nd & Goal from the 6 (followed by a sack, followed by an incomplete. followed by a missed FG)

[CincyBillsFan]

31 minutes ago, LDD said:

This is exactly what happened.  If you look at the replay from the pocket, which they showed last night, Allen throws the ball before the breaks expecting the safety to follow Beeze.  He didn't and your point about the wind is also correct.  Lots of failures last night.  Josh Allen wasn't one of them. 

Bingo.  It was 4th down and Allen was almost immediately under heavy pressure.  The DB made a smart play there.  The throw folks wanted Allen to make to Beasley was low percentage because of the wind.  The wind would have made it a much more difficult throw to accurately complete. If the DB doesn't fall off Beasley it's a TD to Davis.

 

 

[dave mcbride]

44 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

It would have been a TD to Davis...dude just made a good play coming off Beasley to make the play. Sometimes it happens. Should never have come down to that.

It would have fallen short. If you watch the replay from behind the LOS, that ball is set to die at around just past the goal line. And it was behind Davis too. 

5 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Bingo.  It was 4th down and Allen was almost immediately under heavy pressure.  The DB made a smart play there.  The throw folks wanted Allen to make to Beasley was low percentage because of the wind.  The wind would have made it a much more difficult throw to accurately complete. If the DB doesn't fall off Beasley it's a TD to Davis.

 

 

Watch it again from the angle behind the LOS. That ball ain't getting to Davis given his depth in the end zone. 

[PromoTheRobot]

1 hour ago, Ramza86 said:

As I saw it live...why didnt Allen just throw it to Bease? He got the separation and it would have been a 1st if not a walk in TD.

 

I was so pissed.

 

So Allen knew it was a blitz and it was man coverage...so he assumed that 41 would be locked up against Bease....of course 41 barely covers him and watches Allen and plays the ball thrown elsewhere. 

Allen didn't see some open receivers, probably because he was running for his life.

[Pags24]

All out blitz, pressure on Josh...it was a tough throw but if he actually makes a great throw to Davis he could've lofted it over the undercutting DB.  Josh under-threw and shorted it, had no chance. 

[Virgil]

At the time of throw, the defender who was batted the ball down was chasing Beasley. He kept his eyes on Allen and broke off once he saws where Allen was throwing.  He choose Davis and the other defender made the play. 

[BillsFanSD]

56 minutes ago, LDD said:

This is exactly what happened.  If you look at the replay from the pocket, which they showed last night, Allen throws the ball before the breaks expecting the safety to follow Beeze.  He didn't and your point about the wind is also correct.  Lots of failures last night.  Josh Allen wasn't one of them. 

I'm legitimately baffled at how people don't understand this.  The announcers went on and on about how the safety came off Beasley to come back into the passing lane for Davis.  It's not like anybody had to carefully break down the all-22 to see this -- it was obvious in real time and called out by the broadcasters.

[msw2112]

47 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

It would have fallen short. If you watch the replay from behind the LOS, that ball is set to die at around just past the goal line. And it was behind Davis too. 

Watch it again from the angle behind the LOS. That ball ain't getting to Davis given his depth in the end zone. 

 

I agree.  The throw was to Davis, but was rushed because Allen had a guy in his face.  The ball would have been behind Davis, even if the DB didn't get a hand on it.  If Allen had time, the throw would have had a chance.  That said, it was 4th and 14, so the defense knew we were throwing the ball and brought pressure.  And why was it 4th and 14?  A wasted run into the line on 1st down that hadn't worked all game (and never works) and a stupid penalty.

Edited December 7, 2021 by msw2112

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

What happened is that the players around Allen repeatedly failed to the point that he was asked to convert a 4th and 14 against the best defense in the league with a free rusher coming at him in heavy winds. And some fans actually want to try and analyze that play as if it means anything.

MVP’s pull rabbits out of hats. We lose these types of games all year.

[Haslett_Stomp]

6 minutes ago, msw2112 said:

 

I agree.  The throw was to Davis, but was rushed because Allen had a guy in his face.  The ball would have been behind Davis, even if the DB didn't get a hand on it.  If Allen had time, the throw would have had a chance.  That said, it was 4th and 14, so the defense knew we were throwing the ball and brought pressure.  And why was it 4th and 14?  A wasted run into the line on 1st down that hadn't worked all game (and never works) and a stupid penalty.

 

Those two sentences perfectly summarize the Bills' 2021 season.

[Roundybout]

5 minutes ago, FireChans said:

MVP’s pull rabbits out of hats. We lose these types of games all year.

 

"Josh can't be MVP until he bends reality like Dr. Strange" I mean come on dude

[FireChans]

Just now, BillsEnthusiast said:

 

"Josh can't be MVP until he bends reality like Dr. Strange" I mean come on dude

You are welcome to think he will win the MVP this year. But he won’t.

[PaoloBillsFanFromItaly]

He missed a read.

It happens, end of story.

[HappyDays]

9 minutes ago, FireChans said:

MVP’s pull rabbits out of hats. We lose these types of games all year.

 

He pulled one out of his hat on the previous play and Knox didn't come down with it. I don't really care if he actually wins MVP or not. With an average replacement we would have no offense.

[dorquemada]

2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Simple answer: Josh panicked 

 

Yup.  For a couple years he was a great pressure QB.  I don't know what happened, but he simply isn't a good pressure QB any more. Did they coach it out of him?  He holds onto the ball way too long and takes at least 2-3 incredible stupid sacks each game.  Add to that the increasingly errant downfield throws and I think I'd probably find a new QB coach and spend the whole offseason getting Josh back to being Josh.

[SoCal Deek]

People…come on! Josh blew it. The throw has to be to the middle of the field. It was WIDE open! 

[dorquemada]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

He pulled one out of his hat on the previous play and Knox didn't come down with it. I don't really care if he actually wins MVP or not. With an average replacement we would have no offense.

 

Good news for you.  He's not going to be MVP.   I'm not sure why anyone who has watched him over hte last 2 months would even think that outside of the hype machine telling us how good he is.  He's regressed something awful this year.  I don't think it's all or even mostly on him. The roster is dreadful outside of a few players, coaching sucks, and the bounces just arent going our way.  Like i said after the Colts game, oh well, there's always last year!

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

35 minutes ago, FireChans said:

MVP’s pull rabbits out of hats. We lose these types of games all year.

That’s the real point here..

26 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

He pulled one out of his hat on the previous play and Knox didn't come down with it. I don't really care if he actually wins MVP or not. With an average replacement we would have no offense.

As opposed to the scoring juggernaut we’ve got now. That lone 14 yard TD drive was masterful. 

[Brandon]

1 hour ago, Pags24 said:

All out blitz, pressure on Josh...it was a tough throw but if he actually makes a great throw to Davis he could've lofted it over the undercutting DB.  Josh under-threw and shorted it, had no chance. 

 

Putting any air under passes thrown in that direction was a pretty tall order. 

[Pags24]

1 minute ago, Brandon said:

 

Putting any air under passes thrown in that direction was a pretty tall order. 

I agree, that's why I said it was a tough throw and he needed to make a great throw to complete it.

[sven233]

Allen said in his presser that the ball just died on him in the wind.  And you can see it happen when you go back and watch it.  The ball just didn't get there and it allowed the safety to make a play.  That said, on a normal day, that play is there and has a chance for sure.  Davis had leverage and it the ball has more juice on it, there's definitely a chance.  That said, I wanted him to go to Bease there.  We didn't need the TD, but if he goes there, he may have had it.  Worst case I think he gets the first down.  But whatever.  It happens.  There are so many other things that led to this loss.  This was way down the list.