McDermott Era Should End!

[HOUSE]

You guys would shoot Santa Claus  AFTER he delivers the goodies

[Governor]

It’s either clean house or watch Josh leave. I feel sick for Josh today. This team is horrible and he deserves a supporting cast on a better organization.

2 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

This team has a top 3 QB and is not going to make the playoffs. McDermott should be fired. Beane did nothing at the trade deadline to help this flawed team.

They won’t be fired but both should go. 

Beane definitely has to go. We can’t fire coaches and keep the guy who can’t find talent. No coach could win with this roster.

[AmishRifle]

The sentiment that we should fire the head ball coach is ridiculous.  
 

I think a strategic shift in our offensive system is required.    We have no clear offensive identity.  We can’t run the ball effectively and have no balance.  I think a Shanahan style offense needs to be installed.  Run to set up play action and bootleg.  

[Mango]

I think Beane is the bigger culprit here. We have spent 3 first and/or second round draft picks in two drafts on DE and they got worked around the edges today.

 

OL leaves a lot to be desired at a high price tag. 

[Seoulofstone]

2 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Do you really believe McDermott is the coach to win a SuperBowl? He burned a challenge on a QB sneak that no one from either sideline could see the player or the ball. 
If it is 100% on the players, then is Beane culpable in this mess? Other teams made moves to get better at the trade deadline. Bills didn’t make a move with obvious issues at TE, DT, RB, and OG. 
This team was a SuperBowl pick. If they don’t make the playoffs then is anyone held accountable? Or do you just give McD another year? How many years ? First I thought McDermott was Dungy with Tampa. Now I’m thinking he is at best Marty Schottenheimer.  

 

 McD has led the Bills to 3 playoffs in 4 years, A team that hadn't made the playoffs for 17 years. Every year he produces a top 10 defence despite a lack of elite individuals. They along with the patriots have a superior pass defence that many teams would kill for. McD has now beaten every team in the AFC except the Browns. In the NFC every team except the Panthers, Eagles and Cardinals.

 

  He and Beane have fixed a bad cap situation brought young players into the team and haven't sold their soul for a better chance at the superbowl like the Rams. Something that will likely hurt their roster for years to come. But he makes a bad challenge and you want to replace him without any suggested alternative plan? 

 

 We lost a tight game to an in-form division rival in atrocious weather conditions which favoured their ultra-conservative style. That is all.

[Seoulofstone]

11 minutes ago, Trogdor said:

He is the head coach and it all falls on him. That's his staff under performing. That's his rotating defensive line getting pushed around and eat a big chunk of the salary cap. That's his team unprepared and undisciplined. That's how being the boss works, he isn't a coordinator anymore. Also, did you forget the Colts?

 

 He will take responisibility. He always does for losses. But it cuts both ways. If you want to crucify him for every loss then does he deserve ALL the credit for every win? When the Bills win you don't see him talking himself up. He praises the players. That is good leadership.

 

 The D-line is overpaid for its output but it IS an intergral part of an elite overall unit across the NFL. I mean they aren't bottom third of the league here. Did you forget that Star and Tremaine didn't play in that Colts game?

 

 You're scapegoating and missing how this team has been transformed almost miraculously during the McD era. Because you're upset about one narrow loss.

[Governor]

19 minutes ago, Mango said:

I think Beane is the bigger culprit here. We have spent 3 first and/or second round draft picks in two drafts on DE and they got worked around the edges today.

 

OL leaves a lot to be desired at a high price tag. 

Yup. He’s had enough time. He totally whiffed on 2 RB’s and numerous others. It’s time to reboot right now. As a longtime fan, the way this team is built is torturous to watch. They’re like Polian’s Colts who were also soft and worthless until Dungy came and slightly improved the defense, and squeaked out a SB win against a bad team. That’s not who we should be emulating.

 

Tampa is going to mutilate this team and then we’ll see people getting fired.

 

The Tremaine Edmunds experiment is over and yielded atrocious results.

Edited December 7, 2021 by Governor

[Mango]

18 minutes ago, Seoulofstone said:

 

 McD has led the Bills to 3 playoffs in 4 years, A team that hadn't made the playoffs for 17 years. Every year he produces a top 10 defence despite a lack of elite individuals. They along with the patriots have a superior pass defence that many teams would kill for. McD has now beaten every team in the AFC except the Browns. In the NFC every team except the Panthers, Eagles and Cardinals.

 

  He and Beane have fixed a bad cap situation brought young players into the team and haven't sold their soul for a better chance at the superbowl like the Rams. Something that will likely hurt their roster for years to come. But he makes a bad challenge and you want to replace him without any suggested alternative plan? 

 

 We lost a tight game to an in-form division rival in atrocious weather conditions which favoured their ultra-conservative style. That is all.

What if I told you that the Bills OL and DE were among the highest paid in the entire NFL despite the fact that the DL has gotten 5 top 100 picks since Beanes arrival?

 

Then on top of all of that, the Bills are projected to only have $9 in cap space in 2022 (per spotrac).

 

Our cap situation and production on money spent is really bad at the moment and should be a major worry for every fan. 

 

 

 

Edited December 7, 2021 by Mango

[Trogdor]

6 minutes ago, Seoulofstone said:

 

 He will take responisibility. He always does for losses. But it cuts both ways. If you want to crucify him for every loss then does he deserve ALL the credit for every win? When the Bills win you don't see him talking himself up. He praises the players. That is good leadership.

 

 The D-line is overpaid for its output but it IS an intergral part of an elite overall unit across the NFL. I mean they aren't bottom third of the league here. Did you forget that Star and Tremaine didn't play in that Colts game?

 

 You're scapegoating and missing how this team has been transformed almost miraculously during the McD era. Because you're upset about one narrow loss.

He doesn't take responsibility though. It's always we didn't perform and not that he didn't get then ready or have a good plan. When has he ever admitted that they don't even try to adjust? They aren't transformed, we had one great year, and it shows now. The first playoff year they performed as well as a few drought years and then an awful one after. Now we're back to a middle of the road team. Sustained success would be transformed, and clearly they aren't there yet. 

[Seoulofstone]

25 minutes ago, Mango said:

What if I told you that the Bills OL and DE were among the highest paid in the entire NFL despite the fact that the DL has gotten 6 top 100 picks since Beanes arrival?

 

Then on top of all of that, the Bills are projected to only have $9 in cap space in 2022 (per spotrac).

 

Our cap situation and production on money spent is really bad at the moment and should be a major worry for every fan. 

 

 

 

 

  You're talking i suppose about individual production? Because the defence and Offense are both top 10 units. Every team in the NFL that has a franchise QB (and some that don't) are tight to the cap especially after the freeze. I can agree that players like Trent Murphy and Vernon Butler have been hugely overpaid. So yes, loyalty and over investment in players who have let them down has happened.

 

But again collectively the units are successful So perhaps the decision making deserves the benfit of the doubt?

 

 Meanwhile for the first time in a long time the Bills are holding on to their successful draft picks. Extending them. Fazing out older players. This is good roster management. Its not flashy (do we want to be like the Rams?) but teams like the Ravens have been doing it like this for years.

Edited December 7, 2021 by Seoulofstone

[Governor]

7 hours ago, BeastMaster said:

Mark my words: this team will NEVER win a superbowl with McDermott as the coach. 

 

You can keep him and be a playoff team, or you can try to find the guy that has the coaching mind to truly match up against the top coaches you face and must defeat to get the trophy.

 

I know what I would do. Unfortunately, I think management will stay staus quo.

 

 

Frazier totally sucks too. There’s a reason why no teams wanted to hire him. He never gets it done when it matters.

[MarkyMannn]

I am ALL IN on firing McD today! Then Kim & Terry can hire someone good like they always do😲

[Seoulofstone]

19 minutes ago, Trogdor said:

He doesn't take responsibility though. It's always we didn't perform and not that he didn't get then ready or have a good plan. When has he ever admitted that they don't even try to adjust? They aren't transformed, we had one great year, and it shows now. The first playoff year they performed as well as a few drought years and then an awful one after. Now we're back to a middle of the road team. Sustained success would be transformed, and clearly they aren't there yet. 

 

   Oh you were expecting them to be in the playoffs the year that they cleared the cap and were expected to finish with the #1 overall pick? Nice to see you have reasonable expectations. I hope you are ashamed of yourself when they make the playoffs. 

 

  To say that they aren't transformed since McD came  is insane. They have a franchise QB. Top 10 Offense and Defence. This year when they get to the playoffs it will be 4 of 5 years after a 17 year wait. Absolutely nothing transformative there.

Edited December 7, 2021 by Seoulofstone
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[hondo in seattle]

8 hours ago, Wizard said:

There was absolutely no reason that the Bills should have lost this game! For this reason, the Pegula’s need to clean out some of the coaching leadership.

 

The odds of screwing up so many times in a row in a game is probably a million to one. That comes down to poor coaching and players not executing. When players screw up and coaches can not adjust, then this means that McDermott’s coaching ceiling has already been reached. He and his staff are average despite the team’s history

 

Great Coach gets 10-14 points in the situation below.  Good coach gets 6 to 7 points. Replaceable coach gets 0-3 points. 

 

2x’s in the last 6 minutes the Patriots gift wrapped two very doable red zone touchdown opportunities. And, Allen gets sacked, an idiot TE false start, a missed field goal, and passing the ball when running could have led to more manageable play calling rather than 3rd and long and 4th and 14 situations.

 

No adjustments…means no Confidence!

The team lost at home with the best fans, better receivers, and quarterback, unbelievable opportunities to win, and the defense knowing in advance that 95% of the team’s plays would be runs. Mac Jones may have set a record in the last 40 years with 19 pass yards! In other words, our defensive line knew what was coming and the Hoodie decided to be completely one dimensional knowing the Bills could do nothing about it!!!

 

Winning Culture

Yes, there was wind and stats were not going to be as big tonight. The Bills had every reason to win and own the division. It was blanking Monday Night Football. The team had this game circled all season. No amount of clapping, rah rah, or “process” makes up for fumbling the game away.
 

Bad coaching, players aren’t executing, and we can’t build our offense or defense with underwhelming line play, time management issues, and not getting the ball from a 30 million dollar QB not getting the ball to Diggs or a line not capable of digging in and getting 10 yards on the ground with some old-fashion tough running.

 

Ceiling has been reached..new voices

A weaker AFC, Derrick Henry going down, the Chiefs inconsistencies and Ravens, and the inability to beat playoff caliber teams, execute at key times, and the lack of consistency on the lines means this is McDermott’s ceiling.

 

Time for Bills to make big changes!

 

 

 

 

 

McDermott lost 14-10 against a HOF coach with a strong squad in a game where the weather strongly favored the opponent.  

 

Yep.  Seems like grounds for instant termination.  

 

And I'm sure if the Bills had scored a TD on that last drive to win the game, Kraft would have fired Belichick.  

[zevo]

McD is a stable coach...nothing more nothing less. He makes terrible in game decisions...the challenge and the other wasted timeout was unacceptable.

 

[Greg S]

Neither he or Beane are getting fired. Three playoff appearances in 4 years. 7-5 this year in the playoff mix. I get the frustration but even if they miss they will get another shot at it next season. If things don't go well in 2022 then maybe changes could come.

[Billsatlastin2018]

1 hour ago, HOUSE said:

You guys would shoot Santa Claus  AFTER he delivers the goodies

Let us know when ANY Bills HC has ever delivered!

 

Bring us up to speed here!

[Dr. Who]

1 hour ago, HOUSE said:

You guys would shoot Santa Claus  AFTER he delivers the goodies

We do not want to be Philly. Stop this crap.

[LabattBlue]

Maybe it takes more than being a supposed “motivator/leader of men” in order to be a great NFL HC.  
 

Exhibit A…not knowing you are NEVER going to win a spot challenge on a QB sneak into a mass of humanity. 

[DCofNC]

I’ve said it time and time again, they have Marv 2.0 in McClappy.  That’s Marv Lewis, we are in for a decade of wasted players if we keep him.

[Mango]

1 hour ago, Seoulofstone said:

 

  You're talking i suppose about individual production? Because the defence and Offense are both top 10 units. Every team in the NFL that has a franchise QB (and some that don't) are tight to the cap especially after the freeze. I can agree that players like Trent Murphy and Vernon Butler have been hugely overpaid. So yes, loyalty and over investment in players who have let them down has happened.

 

But again collectively the units are successful So perhaps the decision making deserves the benfit of the doubt?

 

 Meanwhile for the first time in a long time the Bills are holding on to their successful draft picks. Extending them. Fazing out older players. This is good roster management. Its not flashy (do we want to be like the Rams?) but teams like the Ravens have been doing it like this for years.

 

You mentioned that Beane dug us out of cap hell, or something similar. Our two weakest links on the roster are also our two highest paid units in both cash and draft capital. 

White washing the lack of production of the OL and/or DL with "we have a top 10 offense and a top 10 defense" is relatively useless. The defense is good. But our production from our DL given our investment is bad. Josh Allen is good, our OL is not top 5, but we pay them like they are. All teams have issues, that is fair. But we have invested heavily in our issues and they are still not up to par.

[nucci]

after every loss someone mentions everyone needs to be fired

[bigduke6]

im not on the fire McD bus yet.   our coordinators are upsetting me tho.   we seem to either make no adjustments or make them waaaay tooooo late to matter.   thats poor and a huge problem.     this team is set up to play one way on offense and defense.    that is also a problem.     youre gonna run into teams that take what u love to do away,  and if u cant adjust to it youre gonna get alot of Ls.    

 

D is in light nickel every play,  so they get run on.

 

O is a spread team that cant run,  so in poor weather or against good pass D teams,  they cant score.

 

you either figure it out,  or get figured out.   right now feels like our team has been figured out.  time to adjust.

[BuffaloRebound]

3 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

You mentioned that Beane dug us out of cap hell, or something similar. Our two weakest links on the roster are also our two highest paid units in both cash and draft capital. 

White washing the lack of production of the OL and/or DL with "we have a top 10 offense and a top 10 defense" is relatively useless. The defense is good. But our production from our DL given our investment is bad. Josh Allen is good, our OL is not top 5, but we pay them like they are. All teams have issues, that is fair. But we have invested heavily in our issues and they are still not up to par.

Spot on.  

[cDAVIS]

Yeah let's get rid of him and go back to a crappy culture with a team that will never be competitive. Let's get Rex back! Seriously man what do you expect? Look what he's done while he's here. Look at the entire AFC right now. Fire all coaches except belicheat I guess.

[Evian]

McDermott is fine. It is amazing though that a former wrestler  has such a soft team. This team lacks toughness. 

 

A win in Tampa will turn everything around. They beat Tampa and get a little swagger and they might not lose again this year.

Edited December 7, 2021 by Evian

[Evian]

Just now, ScottLaw said:

My guess is they get killed in Tampa. 

 

Not me. I think they beat Tampa and don't lose again this year. They are just a little off. I think a big win is all they need to right the ship.

[Coffeesforclosers]

These threads are insane.

[Doc]

27 minutes ago, nucci said:

after every loss someone mentions everyone needs to be fired

 

It's stupid, isn't it?

[4BillsintheBurgh]

I think realistically Bobby Johnson has a chance to go. I wouldn't mind seeing a more veteran coach come in who could also help coordinate the run game. We are in a position of strength because we are a contender, better available coaches will want to come here if given the choice.

[Billsflyer12]

I have personally never said McD should or more importantly will be fired.  I have said that I don’t think he will ever win a Super Bowl as head coach of the Bills.  Knowing that he won’t be fired, and we have another years more of being good not great is the toughest part.

Edited December 7, 2021 by Billsflyer12

[The Frankish Reich]

44 minutes ago, Mango said:

The defense is good. But our production from our DL given our investment is bad.

Looks like Star pitched a shutout last night. No tackles. I don't want to be a "boxscore scout." So I'll leave it to the All 22 reviewers to show me how he occupied two Pats linemen most of the night, allowing Tremaine Edmunds to be the run stuffer we always knew he could be.  

36 minutes ago, cDAVIS said:

Yeah let's get rid of him and go back to a crappy culture with a team that will never be competitive. Let's get Rex back! Seriously man what do you expect? Look what he's done while he's here. Look at the entire AFC right now. Fire all coaches except belicheat I guess.

I don't want to see him fired for exactly these reasons.

But what I want or don't want to see doesn't matter. The Bills' turnaround under McD has bought him at least one more season, but realistically only one more season. It's hard to see this team advancing to the AFC Championship again. If that doesn't happen (particularly if they blow it and don't make the playoffs at all), it's one step back instead of one step forward to the Super Bowl. And coaches on teams considered to have "the most talented roster in the conference" don't last long unless their teams play like that's true.

Edited December 7, 2021 by The Frankish Reich

[Nihilarian]

9 hours ago, Man with No Name said:

mcdermott is much better than daboll. McD is not BB, but nobody is. This is like steelers fans wanting tomlin to get the ax. great idea, but who out there is better? 

The thing about Tomlin is... that he has had Big Ben for his entire time as the Steelers head coach. Nobody behind Ben worth a darn too.

 

Tomlin is noted to be a good defensive mind and they usually have a decent defense. Not this season and they are fading on both sides of the ball. they found the right RB but their line is poor.

 

 

In Buffalo this all comes down to the offense being bad almost all season against teams they should beat. How in the world does a cover 2 shell defense stop this much talent on offense for so many games? Suddenly the Bills can't score points.

 

I keep going back to the 6 points scored against Jacksonville with the 30th ranked defense and the Bills just keep going with the same old, same old because they can beat the Jets along with some other bad teams.

 

Something changed somewhere in Buffalo on offense since last seasons playoff games. In 2020 after destroying the Patriots 38-9 IN New England, beating Miami 56-26 week 17. They slow down against the Colts 27-24 in a WC game and only score 10 offensive points against the Ravens. 

 

That first game of the 2021 season in a 16-23 loss to the Steelers...

[NoHuddleKelly12]

9 hours ago, Einstein said:

I won’t go that far, but he has proven to be a poor game day coach.

 

That challenge was inexcusable and was never going to work.

Cost us an important timeout.

I honestly thought he called that to give his D a breather from getting trucked—IIRC, that was on a FG drive?

[BuffaloRebound]

I’d say the 1st Act of the McDermott era needs to end.  He’s earned a 2nd Act and the right to re-tool this team from a soft one to one that can win in the trenches.  The defense only needs a couple minor tweaks.  The offense needs a philosophy change.  

[Coffeesforclosers]

28 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

I’d say the 1st Act of the McDermott era needs to end.  He’s earned a 2nd Act and the right to re-tool this team from a soft one to one that can win in the trenches.  The defense only needs a couple minor tweaks.  The offense needs a philosophy change.  

 

I've made my peace with this year being whatever it turns out to be.  It's up to McBeane to make choices that determine whether this is the end of something or the start of something.  The faults in this team are obvious.  We got so wrapped up in this new era of football that we can't run the ball, and we can't stop the run.  On its own, that's just a cliche. 

 

But we're soooooo bad at it that teams can  drop 7 or 8 into coverage AND get home with 3 or 4 rushers AND defend the run at the same time.  And that's how you waste all this skill position talent and Josh's rookie deal years.  At minimum, the OL personnel and coaching need an overhaul, and Daboll needs to go out behind the woodshed.

 

Edited December 7, 2021 by Coffeesforclosers

[zow2]

This is one of those "Be careful what you wish for" threads.

 

Do Not fire Sean McDermott.  Do not run him outta town.

 

Is he perfect? no.  Is anyone perfect?  He has created the culture in Buffalo that has turned around the entire franchise.  He's a good coach that players respect.  Will McD have to fire some assistants?  Probably, eventually.  Will he have to convene with Brandon Beane in the offseason to figure out a proper vision forward for this football team?  Yes, absolutely.   But it's dumb to suggest firing him and another club would hire him in a nanosecond.

[Toyo321]

12 hours ago, GETTOTHE50 said:

Im over the mcdermott era too.

 

He just hasn't had it from the get-go this season. Its very strange.

 

He cant make adjustments. Its embarrassing.

 

Why are you going to defer and go 3 and out at the start of the half? Hes been deferring all season and this is what has happened more times than not.

 

Secondly, the belichick wasnt playing chess, if he was, then it was the equivalent of making a pon move 1 space down the board. He didnt use queen, bishop, rooks, or horse.

 

He literally just ran the ball. He did this before in 2008 when Matt Cassel threw the ball a whopping 8x. It was the same script.

 

Yet McDermott couldnt prepare for it on a long week. I cant even get into his game management skills.

 

Its very sad, and perplexing.

He needs to go.

Wish we could get Frank Reich.  McD is not even on Frank's level, Frank actually can game plan when McD can't.  I would swap coaches with Indy in a NY minute.

Edited December 7, 2021 by Toyo321

[PromoTheRobot]

End? No. But he's done some real damage to the locker room the last few weeks.

[Gisele]

3 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Looks like Star pitched a shutout last night. No tackles. I don't want to be a "boxscore scout." So I'll leave it to the All 22 reviewers to show me how he occupied two Pats linemen most of the night, allowing Tremaine Edmunds to be the run stuffer we always knew he could be.  

I don't want to see him fired for exactly these reasons.

But what I want or don't want to see doesn't matter. The Bills' turnaround under McD has bought him at least one more season, but realistically only one more season. It's hard to see this team advancing to the AFC Championship again. If that doesn't happen (particularly if they blow it and don't make the playoffs at all), it's one step back instead of one step forward to the Super Bowl. And coaches on teams considered to have "the most talented roster in the conference" don't last long unless their teams play like that's true.

Yeah.  Holy crap Tremaine sucked last night.