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[Big Blitz]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

This one says 24 mph gusts but 7 mph winds mostly at night.  I'm on a laptop watching my son watch another kid on youtube playing a game that he has and I bought....he would rather watch someone else play it.  

 

 

Yea forecast matches - 40 mph gusts during the day Monday. 

 

7 days away this will change.  

 

 

Saying 24 mph gusts at night.  

Edited November 30, 2021 by Big Blitz

[Jauronimo]

7 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

This one says 24 mph gusts but 7 mph winds mostly at night.  I'm on a laptop watching my son watch another kid on youtube playing a game that he has and I bought....he would rather watch someone else play it.  

These kids have all been cucked by their vidya games and its weirdest thing ever.  I just got my original NES back and the only way I'm watching another man play Duck Hunt on my old Nintendo is if he tapes my eyes open after he kills me.  Also he will need to figure out how to get the gun to work.  It doesnt work on modern TVs.  

[Jrb1979]

15 minutes ago, Success said:

 

I appreciate your belief in him, but he doesn't play against Dak or Brady.

 

And man, was Brady off that game.  I don't know if it was nerves or BB knowing him so well - but that game is probably a blowout 9x out of 10.  The Pats scored 17 points - saying he went "toe to toe w/ Brady" kind of glosses over that.

 

He really hasn't proven anything, except for efficiency & accuracy in an offense where he's not asked to do much, and that is designed specifically for what he does well.  He has faced almost zero adversity in the NFL to this point. And he is protected as well as just about any other QB in the league.  I can't believe the time he has in the pocket when I watch some of those games. 

 

He wins that's all that matters. Remember it's hard to win in this league. 

[Success]

1 minute ago, Jrb1979 said:

He wins that's all that matters. Remember it's hard to win in this league. 

 

Belichick wins.  I haven't seen Mac pull even one game out on his own yet.

 

[PatsFanNH]

15 minutes ago, Success said:

 

I appreciate your belief in him, but he doesn't play against Dak or Brady.

 

And man, was Brady off that game.  I don't know if it was nerves or BB knowing him so well - but that game is probably a blowout 9x out of 10.  The Pats scored 17 points - saying he went "toe to toe w/ Brady" kind of glosses over that.

 

He really hasn't proven anything, except for efficiency & accuracy in an offense where he's not asked to do much, and that is designed specifically for what he does well.  He has faced almost zero adversity in the NFL to this point. And he is protected as well as just about any other QB in the league.  I can't believe the time he has in the pocket when I watch some of those games. 

 

Against the Cowboys, a better D,  they scored 29 points AND he rebounded right after throwing a pick 6. 
 

also the protection has happened since the last 5-6 games before that he was getting hit hard and often. 

[Royale with Cheese]

5 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

These kids have all been cucked by their vidya games and its weirdest thing ever.  I just got my original NES back and the only way I'm watching another man play Duck Hunt on my old Nintendo is if he tapes my eyes open after he kills me.  Also he will need to figure out how to get the gun to work.  It doesnt work on modern TVs.  

Why are you playing an original NES when there’s MarioKart on the Nintendo Switch?

 

[Jrb1979]

5 minutes ago, Success said:

 

Belichick wins.  I haven't seen Mac pull even one game out on his own yet.

 

He's still a rookie. 

[Success]

4 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Against the Cowboys, a better D,  they scored 29 points AND he rebounded right after throwing a pick 6. 
 

also the protection has happened since the last 5-6 games before that he was getting hit hard and often. 

 

Dallas was probably his best game.

 

I'm not saying he hasn't been impressive. But he's been impressive for a rookie who is being perfectly coached & set up to succeed.  As I've said, I think 4 of the 5 QB's selected first in that draft would likely be doing the same.

 

The hype is over the top, but it might pan out.  WAY too many pronouncements that this is the best QB from that draft.  Allen's draft would have been ranked completely differently from how it is now in years 1 or 2.

 

Jones has great protection & is never asked to carry the team, or be much more than efficient in a short passing game.

 

[Big Turk]

28 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

 

24 mph winds with gusts up to 40 mph??

 

 

Fml

 

 

That is per my AccuWeather app

 

It's still a long way out...nothing will be meaningful weather wise until about Saturday.

 

Weather.com only has 11 mph winds for the game tho FYI

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

28 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

 

24 mph winds with gusts up to 40 mph??

 

 

Fml

 

 

That is per my AccuWeather app

cool. So yet another game rendered totally unwatchable by the weather. Going to be 9-6 score. And people like this? 

[Big Turk]

4 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

He's still a rookie. 

 

I like McD's record against rookie QBs playing them the first time.

Just now, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

cool. So yet another game rendered totally unwatchable by the weather. Going to be 9-6 score. And people like this? 

 

There is nothing like this on weather.com. Way too early to make any sort of definitive predictions of the weather for the game until at least Saturday.

 

[Jrb1979]

2 minutes ago, Success said:

 

Dallas was probably his best game.

 

I'm not saying he hasn't been impressive. But he's been impressive for a rookie who is being perfectly coached & set up to succeed.  As I've said, I think 4 of the 5 QB's selected first in that draft would likely be doing the same.

 

The hype is over the top, but it might pan out.  WAY too many pronouncements that this is the best QB from that draft.  Allen's draft would have been ranked completely differently from how it is now in years 1 or 2.

 

Jones has great protection & is never asked to carry the team, or be much more than efficient in a short passing game.

 

That's what you want out of a rookie QB. 

 

 

[SirAndrew]

7 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

It's still a long way out...nothing will be meaningful weather wise until about Saturday.

 

Weather.com only has 11 mph winds for the game tho FYI

Not saying wind isn’t possible, but accuweather always seems to overestimate wind speeds from my experience with it. 

[Success]

6 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

That's what you want out of a rookie QB. 

 

 

 

Where did I say it isn't?

 

Because he's playing this way as a rookie doesn't mean it's a natural trajectory to franchise QB, league MVP & HOF.

 

This might be as good as he gets. Which is actually what scouts basically said about him - most pro ready, lowest ceiling.

 

[MasterStrategist]

Same key issues go focus on:

1. Finishing drives with points, preferably TDs.  Would it surprise people that we crossed the 50-yd line 7 times! against the Jags, and only came away with 2 FGs.  Our offensive struggles haven't been moving the ball, its finishing with scores "consistently" and not stalling at the 35-45 yard line of opponents.

2. Win the turnover battle.  We need to play turnover-free on offense, NE is coached well to punch/strip the ball.  Then on defense, NE offense has also done a great job of scoring points/moving the ball, so we need to be opportunistic and keep them to FGs if anything.

3. Stay balanced on offense.  Run/pass, but also with formations, and taking timely shots downfield.  

4. Penalties have been drive killers for us, on both sides of the ball.  Need to stay disciplined and not give cheap yards.

5. Play with intensity and energy.  Need to set the tone early and keep the fans engaged/loud throughout.

 

Go Bills! 

[PatsFanNH]

16 minutes ago, Success said:

 

Dallas was probably his best game.

 

I'm not saying he hasn't been impressive. But he's been impressive for a rookie who is being perfectly coached & set up to succeed.  As I've said, I think 4 of the 5 QB's selected first in that draft would likely be doing the same.

 

The hype is over the top, but it might pan out.  WAY too many pronouncements that this is the best QB from that draft.  Allen's draft would have been ranked completely differently from how it is now in years 1 or 2.

 

Jones has great protection & is never asked to carry the team, or be much more than efficient in a short passing game.

 

Allen’s  class was a weak class for QB. None was considered good year one, Mayfield had a few good games and Jackson had success but to this day people knock his QB play. But first 2 years the class was probably considered a Bust with Allen and Lamar being the only two ok QBs.

[Augie]

6 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Allen’s  class was a weak class for QB. None was considered good year one, Mayfield had a few good games and Jackson had success but to this day people knock his QB play. But first 2 years the class was probably considered a Bust with Allen and Lamar being the only two ok QBs.

 

Worse than EJ’s year?

 

Not every year is 1983, though in general it’s getting easier to find QB’s I think for a lot of reasons. 

 

I wouldn’t want to be QB needy going into this draft. 

[MasterStrategist]

2 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Allen’s  class was a weak class for QB. None was considered good year one, Mayfield had a few good games and Jackson had success but to this day people knock his QB play. But first 2 years the class was probably considered a Bust with Allen and Lamar being the only two ok QBs.

Hmm...I would say it was an equivalent QB class at the time.  Mayfield/Darnold/Allen were all 1st overall pick candidates at various points leading up to the draft.  Rosen was even highly thought of by some evaluators.  

 

In terms of performance, Mayfield has a historic rookie season.  Probably borderline top 5 of all time.  Mac Jones, IMO, is having a similar season so far.  

 

Josh's class had 2 MVP candidates, him and Jackson, and a solid QB in Mayfield.  Rosen, Darnold are busts.  

 

Will Jones' class be similar?  Maybe in year 1 it will have similarities. 

[Success]

17 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Allen’s  class was a weak class for QB. None was considered good year one, Mayfield had a few good games and Jackson had success but to this day people knock his QB play. But first 2 years the class was probably considered a Bust with Allen and Lamar being the only two ok QBs.

 

They might say the same about Mac's class in a few years.

 

I think Jones is so hyped right now that it's much more likely he'll end up disappointing to an extent.  But maybe not.  Who knows.

 

 

Edited November 30, 2021 by Success

[PromoTheRobot]

2 minutes ago, Success said:

 

They might say the same about Mac's class in a few years.

 

Glad you think Allen is ok.

 

People overate every draft class of QBs 

[RiotAct]

48 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Allen’s  class was a weak class for QB. None was considered good year one, Mayfield had a few good games and Jackson had success but to this day people knock his QB play. But first 2 years the class was probably considered a Bust with Allen and Lamar being the only two ok QBs.

I was actually  thinking about this last night during the SNF game.

You have two guys (Allen and Jackson) you can build a franchise around, one decent QB (Mayfield), and two busts in Rosen and Darnold.

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, MasterStrategist said:

Same key issues go focus on:

1. Finishing drives with points, preferably TDs.  Would it surprise people that we crossed the 50-yd line 7 times! against the Jags, and only came away with 2 FGs.  Our offensive struggles haven't been moving the ball, its finishing with scores "consistently" and not stalling at the 35-45 yard line of opponents.

2. Win the turnover battle.  We need to play turnover-free on offense, NE is coached well to punch/strip the ball.  Then on defense, NE offense has also done a great job of scoring points/moving the ball, so we need to be opportunistic and keep them to FGs if anything.

3. Stay balanced on offense.  Run/pass, but also with formations, and taking timely shots downfield.  

4. Penalties have been drive killers for us, on both sides of the ball.  Need to stay disciplined and not give cheap yards.

5. Play with intensity and energy.  Need to set the tone early and keep the fans engaged/loud throughout.

 

Go Bills! 

 

NE just got gashed for nearly 300 rushing yards by a TEN team missing Henry...we should be able to run on them somewhat

Edited November 30, 2021 by Big Turk

[sven233]

1 hour ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

 

24 mph winds with gusts up to 40 mph??

 

 

Fml

 

 

That is per my AccuWeather app

 

I know the poor weather hasn't worked to our advantage yet, but if the winds are up, this may be the game where we can take advantage of it a bit.  Unlike a lot of the national media, I am not ready to crown Mac as the 2nd coming quite yet.  I am not sure he has the arm to beat people deep and until he proves he can do that consistently, I am not going to believe it.  So if the winds are up, I am stacking the box to shut down their running game and I am squatting on every route under 15 yards.  I'll take my chances with forcing him to beat us over the top.  If he can do that with our safeties in the wind and the cold, more power to him, but he is not beating us by dinking and dunking like he has all year.  I'm not sure what our coaching staff's philosophy will be, but this is how I would do it.

[PatsFanNH]

6 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

NE just got gashed for nearly 300 rushing yards by a TEN team missing Henry...we should be able to run on them somewhat

Very true, don’t forget they also only scored 13 points.  So ball security will be key for both teams.

7 minutes ago, sven233 said:

 

I know the poor weather hasn't worked to our advantage yet, but if the winds are up, this may be the game where we can take advantage of it a bit.  Unlike a lot of the national media, I am not ready to crown Mac as the 2nd coming quite yet.  I am not sure he has the arm to beat people deep and until he proves he can do that consistently, I am not going to believe it.  So if the winds are up, I am stacking the box to shut down their running game and I am squatting on every route under 15 yards.  I'll take my chances with forcing him to beat us over the top.  If he can do that with our safeties in the wind and the cold, more power to him, but he is not beating us by dinking and dunking like he has all year.  I'm not sure what our coaching staff's philosophy will be, but this is how I would do it.

You do know wins and rain works both ways right? Yes Allen has the arm but his accuracy would be an issue and well I’d say poor weather works worse for the Bills game plan than the Pats who will rely on our line to bully your D line.  

[Jeffbigalls]

2 hours ago, Success said:

 

I appreciate your belief in him, but he doesn't play against Dak or Brady.

 

And man, was Brady off that game.  I don't know if it was nerves or BB knowing him so well - but that game is probably a blowout 9x out of 10.  The Pats scored 17 points - saying he went "toe to toe w/ Brady" kind of glosses over that.

 

He really hasn't proven anything, except for efficiency & accuracy in an offense where he's not asked to do much, and that is designed specifically for what he does well.  He has faced almost zero adversity in the NFL to this point. And he is protected as well as just about any other QB in the league.  I can't believe the time he has in the pocket when I watch some of those games. 

 

1 out of 10 times might be a blow out, without the weather Tampa bay probably wins by 7 max

Jc Jackson playing great ball

 Allowing a 35.8 QB rating in coverage thru 12 games 

[Big Turk]

10 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Very true, don’t forget they also only scored 13 points.  So ball security will be key for both teams.

You do know wins and rain works both ways right? Yes Allen has the arm but his accuracy would be an issue and well I’d say poor weather works worse for the Bills game plan than the Pats who will rely on our line to bully your D line.  

Yes...thanks to Tennessee acting like they were playing hot potato with the ball on those runs...

19 minutes ago, sven233 said:

 

I know the poor weather hasn't worked to our advantage yet, but if the winds are up, this may be the game where we can take advantage of it a bit.  Unlike a lot of the national media, I am not ready to crown Mac as the 2nd coming quite yet.  I am not sure he has the arm to beat people deep and until he proves he can do that consistently, I am not going to believe it.  So if the winds are up, I am stacking the box to shut down their running game and I am squatting on every route under 15 yards.  I'll take my chances with forcing him to beat us over the top.  If he can do that with our safeties in the wind and the cold, more power to him, but he is not beating us by dinking and dunking like he has all year.  I'm not sure what our coaching staff's philosophy will be, but this is how I would do it.

 

After watching him put everything he had into that ball last week that cleared the LB fingertips by inches and was caught about 30 yards downfield, I think his arm is suspect.  It was a great throw but if you watched him throw that ball he put his entire body into it...

 

That was a ball Allen could have thrown flat footed and got it there.

[CincyBillsFan]

Damn, the Bills can't get back to practice soon enough.  I mean hear we are arguing over what the weather will be like in Buffalo, in DECEMBER, a week ahead of time.  We might as well be arguing about how many fat angels can dance on the head of a pin for all the good it will do us.

 

 

 

 

 

[Putin]

1 hour ago, PatsFanNH said:

Allen’s  class was a weak class for QB. None was considered good year one, Mayfield had a few good games and Jackson had success but to this day people knock his QB play. But first 2 years the class was probably considered a Bust with Allen and Lamar being the only two ok QBs.

Allen and Lamar the only two “Ok” Qb’s ???? 
Why don’t you F your self !!!! 

Edited November 30, 2021 by Putin

[Success]

6 minutes ago, Putin said:

Allen and Lamar the only two “Ok” Qb’s ???? 
Why don’t you F your self !!!! 

 

I read it that way at 1st too, but I don't think that's how he meant it. He's saying after 2 years of that class, and what it was generally considered (not  his own opinion).

 

Classes like that - and like the current one - can't really be judged for at least 2-3 years, imo. Sometimes longer. QB's end up in a variety of situations, and so many are projects.  Lance could end up the best from this class for all we know.

 

[Big Turk]

10 minutes ago, Putin said:

Allen and Lamar the only two “Ok” Qb’s ???? 
Why don’t you F your self !!!! 

 

Allen's floor is Mac Jones ceiling.

[LEBills]

1 hour ago, PatsFanNH said:

Allen’s  class was a weak class for QB. None was considered good year one, Mayfield had a few good games and Jackson had success but to this day people knock his QB play. But first 2 years the class was probably considered a Bust with Allen and Lamar being the only two ok QBs.

lol your response to us saying that Mac may not be the best QB in a couple years is to say that 2018 was a weak QB class for the first two years? That no one was good out of the gate? Pretty weak

 

Lamar won like 7 games in a row his first year to make the playoffs. By year two, Lamar won MVP and Allen made the playoffs. That’s really good. Not to mention Mayfield broke the rookie QB passing TD record.
 

By year 3, Mayfield, Josh and Lamar all made and won playoff games. Josh got to the AFCCG and was second in MVP voting. 
 

I get you are trying to say that Mac is doing things other rookie quarterbacks haven’t recently (untrue) in their rookie year. I don’t blame you, but you are at best forgetting that other rookie QBs have done as well or better recently. And some have fallen off after that good start. 
 

Can’t wait for Monday

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

42 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Very true, don’t forget they also only scored 13 points.  So ball security will be key for both teams.

You do know wins and rain works both ways right? Yes Allen has the arm but his accuracy would be an issue and well I’d say poor weather works worse for the Bills game plan than the Pats who will rely on our line to bully your D line.  

I don’t mean this to prove a point I’m just genuinely curious how many bills games you have watched this season…pretty decent chance pats get stonewalled running the football from what we have seen so far this year when we’re playing at full strength. Our linebacker depth is questionable and missing edmunds and star was devastating against the colts. Somehow this bills defense is #1 in a lot of metrics and criminally underrated and overrated all at the same time 😂. A lot of Henry’s yards came on that one long run with all the holds in the titans game…what they really hurt us with is the play action passing game because we had the unfortunate displeasure of facing aj brown and Julio jones lol I don’t think they’ve been healthy in the same game any other time it seems like.  I think we’ll know more about who has the edge when we get the injury report. Seems like we got forced into playing nickel all game against the colts since we lost edmunds and would rather have a decent extra db on the field than a terrible linebacker…I doubt that will happen schematically next week. Not to mention Stars backup at DT was playing with a bum knee.  Bottom line…I think people are trying to extrapolate way too much from those two individual games we have had and the titans offense is a couple tiers above the pats offense when healthy 

[atlbillsfan1975]

3 hours ago, Success said:

 

I appreciate your belief in him, but he doesn't play against Dak or Brady.

 

And man, was Brady off that game.  I don't know if it was nerves or BB knowing him so well - but that game is probably a blowout 9x out of 10.  The Pats scored 17 points - saying he went "toe to toe w/ Brady" kind of glosses over that.

 

He really hasn't proven anything, except for efficiency & accuracy in an offense where he's not asked to do much, and that is designed specifically for what he does well.  He has faced almost zero adversity in the NFL to this point. And he is protected as well as just about any other QB in the league.  I can't believe the time he has in the pocket when I watch some of those games. 

 

Great points. Remember,  McVay was able to mask Jared Goff for a couple of seasons. Time will tell the true story of Jones. 

[buffblue]

1 hour ago, RiotAct said:

I was actually  thinking about this last night during the SNF game.

You have two guys (Allen and Jackson) you can build a franchise around, one decent QB (Mayfield), and two busts in Rosen and Darnold.

The 2018 qb draft is turning out about as expected imo, in terms of legit star players.

 

Drafting qb's has always been a crapshoot, but it would be highly unusual for more than 2 franchise guys to come out of a single draft. There's only been a handful of great years (ex 1983, 2004) that have produced more.

 

It's just like this past year where 5 guys were drafted in the 1st. More time is obviously needed for things to shake out, but I would be surprised if any more than 2 turn out to be difference-makers.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

2 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

People overate every draft class of QBs 

Yea that’s true…it’s really more about how you respond once defensive coordinators learn your tendencies than instant success anyway. If Mac finishes the season strong he could be the real deal. I can’t shake the feeling that they are the 2020 Miami dolphins but they could certainly prove me wrong (I hope they don’t 😂) tua was managing the games well and their defense was coming up with huge turnovers left and right. two bills drive was in a constant state of panic right around this time of the year much like we are now lol then they had a huge game against us with a trip to the playoffs on the line and we absolutely obliterated them so badly that their fans still complain we ran up the score 

[atlbillsfan1975]

30 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Allen's floor is Mac Jones ceiling.

100%
and that poster is still working off the narrative that Allen is inaccurate. 
But hey, let’s have other team’s fans post on a Bills board, as long as they are passive aggressive it’s ok. 

[Joe Ferguson]

[Putin]

11 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson said:

Dooooon’t  hit me 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Uh-Oh - Bill Belichick effusively praising Josh Allen.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/bill-belichick-showers-bills-quarterback-josh-allen-with-praise/ar-AARg1cF

 

Typically when Belichick praises ya, it means he thinks he owns your soul.

[Locomark]

I hope Mac Jones gets rattled early and we build a lead and then his simple timing routes all go awry. The kid throws a very timing based offense and some of those throws he tossed over the middle against the weak Titans secondary would have been easy pick bait by 49,23,21. I see this being a typical BB dump off to backs game.