Tre White knee injury UPDATE: Out for the Season Notification top of page 1

[YoloinOhio]

3 minutes ago, noacls said:

Tore both of my acl, walked off field both times. Does not mean anything 

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Edited November 26, 2021 by YoloinOhio

[727Bills]

If it is an acl tear I'd be more worried he never returns to pre injury form.  

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, 727Bills said:

If it is an acl tear I'd be more worried he never returns to pre injury form.  

 

That only tends to be a factor with guys who are very reliant on explosive speed. That isn't really Tre's game, so if it is indeed an ACL then unless he has complications arising I would expect he will be fine long term. 

[ProcessTruster]

Looks like we are going to find out all about Dane Jackson now.   Bills do play a lot of zone, plus I assume the offense will carry the team anyway.   As the offense goes, this team goes.    Give me a better run defense and a high scoring offense; that is probably most important.   If CBs become an issue and Zone D increases, maybe McD goes to more pressure on the QB to compensate.    One guy going down won't kill the D; there are options. 

[Livinginthepast]

44 minutes ago, 727Bills said:

If it is an acl tear I'd be more worried he never returns to pre injury form.  

As good as Trey is, has he ever got back to his smothering coverage form of his first two seasons? Maybe I'm completely off with this observation but it seems that he lost a step from that level last year and in some games this year.  Obviously still an all pro overall.  Whats most important about Tre is the respect that teams show to him by 2nd guessing throwing his way. Losing that buffer might be deadly for this defense unless someone steps up.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[GunnerBill]

40 minutes ago, Livinginthepast said:

As good as Trey is, has he ever got back to his smothering coverage form of his first two seasons? Maybe I'm completely off with this observation but it seems that he lost a step from that level last year and in some games this year.  Obviously still an all pro overall.  Whats most important about Tre is the respect that teams show to him by 2nd guessing throwing his way. Losing that buffer might be deadly for this defense unless someone steps up.

 

Yes you are off with that observation. This season his yards per completion given up are their lowest ever at 9.9 and he has given up zero touchdowns. He is absolutely elite, a better player  now than he was in 18 or 19 and sadly irreplaceable.

Edited November 26, 2021 by GunnerBill

[H2o]

Anyone who thinks this defense will be BETTER losing a 1st Team All-Pro CB doesn't understand the game of football whatsoever. Our depth is not great in the first place. You think we struggled against the run before? Wait until we're having to compensate by extending more help in coverage. If he's out for an extended period then we may not even make the playoffs. We have the Pats twice, Tampa, and the Panthers with a healthy Christian McCaffrey (at the moment). A 9-8 record is not getting you in this year, if we somehow lose those four. We needed to remain healthy to make run and it doesn't seem to be on our side considering what happened last night. Think about if we run into KC in the playoffs now. Or Tennessee if they have a healthy Julio and AJ Brown. Pittsburgh with Harris on the ground along with Claypool, Johnson, Friermuth, and Washington. Cincy (if they get in) with Mixon to pound the rock on the ground along with Chase, Boyd, and Higgins. We're just not gonna match up well anymore with a lot of the contenders from either conference. 

[Coach Tuesday]

Just now, H2o said:

Anyone who thinks this defense will be BETTER losing a 1st Team All-Pro CB doesn't understand the game of football whatsoever. Our depth is not great in the first place. You think we struggled against the run before? Wait until we're having to compensate by extending more help in coverage. If he's out for an extended period then we may not even make the playoffs. We have the Pats twice, Tampa, and the Panthers with a healthy Christian McCaffrey (at the moment). A 9-8 record is not getting you in this year, if we somehow lose those four. We needed to remain healthy to make run and it doesn't seem to be on our side considering what happened last night. Think about if we run into KC in the playoffs now. Or Tennessee if they have a healthy Julio and AJ Brown. Pittsburgh with Harris on the ground along with Claypool, Johnson, Friermuth, and Washington. Cincy (if they get in) with Mixon to pound the rock on the ground along with Chase, Boyd, and Higgins. We're just not gonna match up well anymore with a lot of the contenders from either conference. 

Agreed.  Tre out = curtains.

 

Injuries happen.  The frustrating part is that corner and guard depth were obvious problem areas during OTAs and the Bills talked themselves out of doing anything to address it.

[Sundancer]

5 hours ago, Joe Ferguson said:

Nope. I'm actually going to double down. This Bills defense will actually get better if or when Tre is out the rest of the year. Tre wasn't exaclty playing lights out against the Titans & Colts when  they scored a lot of points on us.

 

Well, there’s a bad take for everything I guess. 

 

I’m going to say the Bills run game will improve if they lose Allen. Who’s with me? 

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

After Josh this is the injury we can afford the least.  Not only is it our poorest depth position but Tre is also the best player on the team and coincidentally one of the energy/glue guys at the same time.

 

BUT.

 

But it doesn't mean we're cooked, like a lot of you are saying.  If the Eagles can rally to win the SB with Nick Foles (Nick Foles!) at QB how can we be eliminated by having to play a backup CB or two?  Hurts our chances.  Doesn't end them.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

Started looking at some veteran FA corners last night just to see what’s out there. This is going to suck but you can’t just throw away the whole season. Levi is pretty solid. I personally would take my chances moving Taron Johnson outside for the rest of the season. We already know he’s good and I can’t imagine finding anyone better at this stage of the season. I’d play Levi and Johnson on the outside and use Neal in the slot. There are a few guys you can sign that have been decent in the past but nobody overly impressive. Obviously still hope for the best with Tre but you can’t just say the season is over. There are still a lot of really good players on this defense. Certainly more then most if not all of the other AFC teams.

Edited November 26, 2021 by Brianmoorman4jesus

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

1 hour ago, ProcessTruster said:

Looks like we are going to find out all about Dane Jackson now.   Bills do play a lot of zone, plus I assume the offense will carry the team anyway.   As the offense goes, this team goes.    Give me a better run defense and a high scoring offense; that is probably most important.   If CBs become an issue and Zone D increases, maybe McD goes to more pressure on the QB to compensate.    One guy going down won't kill the D; there are options. 

 

I'm not so sure about that.  Could be Cam Lewis instead.  Based on who's active on the 53, you'd assume it would be Jackson.  But Lewis has played better than Jackson IMO when he has seen the field.  May start with a combo of Jackson, Lewis, and Neal and see who looks the best.

[Max Fischer]

1 hour ago, Livinginthepast said:

As good as Trey is, has he ever got back to his smothering coverage form of his first two seasons? Maybe I'm completely off with this observation but it seems that he lost a step from that level last year and in some games this year.  Obviously still an all pro overall.  Whats most important about Tre is the respect that teams show to him by 2nd guessing throwing his way. Losing that buffer might be deadly for this defense unless someone steps up.

Tre is having an outstanding season. Fans want picks and perfection, but his mere presence makes the rest of the team incredibly difficult to play against. Without Tre, the rest of the team has to cover far more ground, which significantly changes its aggressiveness and makes them far more vulnerable.  

[CSBill]

Time for Dane Jackson and Cam Lewis to step up. No, neither is T White, but both are capable. Here is their opportunity. And i would suspect we'll see more zone, at least to their side, than we have.

 

Edited November 26, 2021 by CSBill

[HOUSE]

13 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Started looking at some veteran FA corners last night just to see what’s out there. This is going to suck but you can’t just throw away the whole season. Levi is pretty solid. I personally would take my chances moving Taron Johnson outside for the rest of the season. We already know he’s good and I can’t imagine finding anyone better at this stage of the season. I’d play Levi and Johnson on the outside and use Neal in the slot. There are a few guys you can sign that have been decent in the past but nobody overly impressive. Obviously still hope for the best with Tre but you can’t just say the season is over. There are still a lot of really good players on this defense. Certainly more then most if not all of the other AFC teams.

 

I had a wild Goose but he ran away 😬

 

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Edited November 26, 2021 by HOUSE

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

2 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

 

I used to have a Wild Goose 😬

That guy was never going to matter IMO. If he had to play we were in serious trouble. This team has championship aspirations. I need guys that you can win in the playoffs with. Levi and Johnson give you that look. Then deal with the slot.

[SCBills]

People talking about corners that need to step up, but this DL needs to show they can take over games.   They are the main thing that can help minimize the loss of Tre.  
 

If Bryant and/or Ankou impressed, keep them active along with Star, so we can make sure teams aren’t able to get 5+ yards per run.  Keeps teams in longer passing downs and allows us to keep safeties out of the box.  Then hope Ed Oliver continues his emergence, because Colts game aside, he’s been dominating.  

[TheyCallMeAndy]

ACL tear would be awful for a CB, I think he’ll still have a long career but you wonder if the move to Safety would come earlier than normal if it is in fact a tear.

[HOUSE]

1 minute ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

That guy was never going to matter IMO. If he had to play we were in serious trouble. This team has championship aspirations. I need guys that you can win in the playoffs with. Levi and Johnson give you that look. Then deal with the slot.

 

EJ Gaines is still out there , 29 years old and 2 bad knees

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

16 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Started looking at some veteran FA corners last night just to see what’s out there. This is going to suck but you can’t just throw away the whole season. Levi is pretty solid. I personally would take my chances moving Taron Johnson outside for the rest of the season. We already know he’s good and I can’t imagine finding anyone better at this stage of the season. I’d play Levi and Johnson on the outside and use Neal in the slot. There are a few guys you can sign that have been decent in the past but nobody overly impressive. Obviously still hope for the best with Tre but you can’t just say the season is over. There are still a lot of really good players on this defense. Certainly more then most if not all of the other AFC teams.

 

I see your logic but I disagree.  I do think Taron Johnson is probably the player on the roster most capable of filling Tre's shoes but you're still getting 70% of the perimeter CB while suddenly vacating the Nickel CB slot where Taron excels and replacing him with a 70% as good product, creating two problems rather than the one.  

[hondo in seattle]

1 minute ago, SCBills said:

People talking about corners that need to step up, but this DL needs to show they can take over games.   They are the main thing that can help minimize the loss of Tre.  
 

If Bryant and/or Ankou impressed, keep them active along with Star, so we can make sure teams aren’t able to get 5+ yards per run.  Keeps teams in longer passing downs and allows us to keep safeties out of the box.  Then hope Ed Oliver continues his emergence, because Colts game aside, he’s been dominating.  

 

The DL has already shown what they can do: pressure the QB a good amount of the time.   They're not going to suddenly get better and "take  over games" because Tre's out.  

 

Statistically, we've had the 2nd best D in the league.  Without Tre, it'll get somewhat worse but it won't become bad.  

 

Let's hope it's good enough we still win ball games.  The O has to get more consistent.  

[Playoffs?]

1 minute ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

The DL has already shown what they can do: pressure the QB a good amount of the time.   They're not going to suddenly get better and "take  over games" because Tre's out.  

 

Statistically, we've had the 2nd best D in the league.  Without Tre, it'll get somewhat worse but it won't become bad.  

 

Let's hope it's good enough we still win ball games.  The O has to get more consistent.  

Agree on all points. The Tre loss will be enormous for this team… but what scares me more than not having him on the field is that we’re one more CB injury away from panic button. CB depth is an issue for us. Now we’re one down, and unfortunately that one is probably our most significant loss on D. 

[BillsSbSoon]

Moving taron outside isnt really an option imo...we would be left with a big hole at nickel corner. And not only that but taron is one of our best blitzers, thats gone if you move him outside. Were going to have to roll with what we have and its a massive loss

Edited November 26, 2021 by BillsSbSoon

[billsfanmiamioh]

6 hours ago, Joe Ferguson said:

Nope. I'm actually going to double down. This Bills defense will actually get better if or when Tre is out the rest of the year. Tre wasn't exaclty playing lights out against the Titans & Colts when  they scored a lot of points on us.

You sir, need your head examined. 

[Arkady Renko]

3 hours ago, noacls said:

Tore both of my acl, walked off field both times. Does not mean anything 

When I tore my ACL same thing.  Fine moving in a straight line, cutting is when my knee would give out.  It gives lateral stability. 

[SCBills]

Has the team said anything?  Typically reports around ACL tears are “team fears….”, they usually know when they test it, and the MRI ends up being confirmation. 
 

 

Edited November 26, 2021 by SCBills

[BarleyNY]

7 hours ago, Buffalo619 said:

Just from watching it. He walked off. I’m no doctor but didn’t look too bad. 

Walking after is not a significant sign.  In my younger days I fought full contact taekwondo.  My roommate and I were both fighting and he walked up to me at a tournament after an early bout and said he was done.  He looked fine and was walking fine.  I thought he lost his first match (which would’ve been a surprise).  He’s just said “no, my knee.”   Completely torn ACL.  No pain at all afterward, just when it tore.  He showed me how loose it was, so it was obvious something was really wrong with it.

 

So while I am hoping for the best for Tre, a complete ACL tear looks like the  likely situation.  I hope that it’s not worse than that (additional damage).  If that is what it is, then best wishes for him to be fully recovered by week 1 next season.  Other than Allen, Tre is probably tied with Diggs as the second most important player on this team.  This sucks and it’s going to hurt. 

[LDD]

2 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Has the team said anything?  Typically reports around ACL tears are “team fears….”, they usually know when they test it, and the MRI ends up being confirmation. 
 

 

Right, I thought we would know by now. 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

25 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

 

EJ Gaines is still out there , 29 years old and 2 bad knees

EJ is waiting for us to call; sign him; and then he can steal our money for playing 2 quarters.

[HOUSE]

Tick, tick , tick

 

[BillsFanSD]

I know that injuries are random and can happen to anybody -- hell just ask any Saints fan.  But man, we knew CB depth was a problem for years and just didn't address it.  I love Beane, but this seems like a roster management error.

[Back2Buff]

The Bills have been playing with fire for years with no CB depth.  They have been incredibly lucky, but yet again, this is all on Beane.

[RobbRiddick]

2 minutes ago, Back2Buff said:

 this is all on Beane.

 

Yes, the man is just terrible isn't he. Someone fire him and bring back Buddy Nix 

[BarleyNY]

19 minutes ago, Playoffs? said:

Agree on all points. The Tre loss will be enormous for this team… but what scares me more than not having him on the field is that we’re one more CB injury away from panic button. CB depth is an issue for us. Now we’re one down, and unfortunately that one is probably our most significant loss on D. 

You’re correct, but I feel like maybe we should be hitting that panic button right now. The depth of players who can cover is pretty nonexistent.  Coming in we had Milano and Edmunds at LB, Poyer and Hyde at safety and Tre, Wallace and Johnson at CB.

 

I am not a Neal fan.  He might be next man up, but I think that will be a problem.  The other options are Jackson and then Lewis.  Or a signing.  Of those I think Jackson might be the best option so that Johnson can stay in the slot.  Otherwise it’s Johnson moving outside and Neal as a third safety with one of our three safeties taking the slot WR.  Ugh.  I don’t love shuffling multiple players around. 

[oldmanfan]

6 minutes ago, Back2Buff said:

The Bills have been playing with fire for years with no CB depth.  They have been incredibly lucky, but yet again, this is all on Beane.

What in the hell are you talking about.  Jackson then Lewis.  I’m sorry they don’t have another AllPro lined up.  No team does.

[Sundancer]

9 minutes ago, BillsFanSD said:

I know that injuries are random and can happen to anybody -- hell just ask any Saints fan.  But man, we knew CB depth was a problem for years and just didn't address it.  I love Beane, but this seems like a roster management error.

 

How many problems can he address? This team was in utter shambles 4 years ago. 

[BarleyNY]

3 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said:

 

Yes, the man is just terrible isn't he. Someone fire him and bring back Buddy Nix 

Yes, because people saying that Beane made a mistake (including some of us that s pointed out this exact issue in the off-season) is the same thing as us calling for his firing or saying he’s terrible at his job.  Such weak sauce here. 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

40 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

 

EJ Gaines is still out there , 29 years old and 2 bad knees

I saw that lol I can’t see is getting involved with him again. I saw Prince was out there. He’d probably be worth a look.

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

What in the hell are you talking about.  Jackson then Lewis.  I’m sorry they don’t have another AllPro lined up.  No team does.

Yea, I’m not going to get on Beane for CB depth like I have our OL situation.

 

For one, most teams that have a top flight corner, don’t have another one out there with him…. We actually do, in case people forgot, he just plays in the slot.  
 

The second point, we’re a heavy zone team.. that minimizes the need for elite shut down corners on the field.   
 

While not ideal, I do believe that if there’s any position McDermott/Frazier can scheme competent play from… it’s in the secondary (especially with Hyde/Poyer back there).