Gisele Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 League officials are changing the outcome of games. Congress may need to look at this. 4 3 1 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleSammy Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 It won't be long until you see the gambling houses including "will an official's call determine the outcome of the game" as one of the selections in their same game parlay betting options. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eee1776 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 YES. At first I blamed bad officals but now I blame greed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sbucholz Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 As sports gambling takes a hold with the proliferation of online sites and betting options,it's just a matter of time before the integrity of sports is severely compromised. Factor in the " new" taunting rule that has been emphasized this year that nobody quite seems to understand and the environment is ripe for corruption and surprises. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwater10 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Gisele said: Congress may need to look at this. From Robert Kraft's personal suite? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Gisele said: League officials are changing the outcome of games. Congress may need to look at this. Yes. That is the answer. Bring in federal government to address poor officiating. WTF. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, BTB said: Yes. That is the answer. Bring in federal government to address poor officiating. WTF. Yes because Congress is a beacon of integrity. 10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayboy54 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, BTB said: Yes. That is the answer. Bring in federal government to address poor officiating. WTF. This is not poor officiating. It is the blatant fixing of games. This is exactly why gambling was never allowed around pro sports... until now. (see Pete Rose) Now we have let the cat out of the bag, so to speak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 1 minute ago, clayboy54 said: This is not poor officiating. It is the blatant fixing of games. This is exactly why gambling was never allowed around pro sports... until now. (see Pete Rose) Now we have let the cat out of the bag, so to speak. Stop it. The games aren’t fixed. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Gisele said: League officials are changing the outcome of games. Congress may need to look at this. While I don't think Congress should get involved it's getting hard to blame the bizarre officiating seen in almost EVERY NFL game as simple incompetence. It really seems like they pick a team to call a run of penalties on at key moments. And since so many of the penalties are subjective (roughing the passer, taunting, pass interference) or happen on almost every play (illegal contact & holding) when they choose to throw the flag is key here. Last night I saw one of the worst taunting penalties called on Chicago that I've seen this year. While this new penalty is bad enough they called it on guy for starring at the Pittsburgh bench from HALF A FIELD away. Whats next brain implants to catch players thinking bad thoughts about someone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 Knowing Congress, many of them have probably invested in online gambling companies so their reaction to this problem may be slightly delayed. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 (edited) Organized crime or hell just greedy organizations of any kind, globally, have an awful lot of people to "influence" to push the desired outcome of these games. "Hey, I see you've got three kids nearing college age...and boy, college is *so* expensive..." or "those gambling debts are piling up...shame you're behind on that mortgage because of them..." Just friends helping friends you know. If you were on the officiating crew or hell, the ENTIRE officiating crew, and you were smart, you could have a family member set up some shell corp or LLC and run your gambling for you, depositing the winnings into an account the NFL couldn't trace back to you. The Corp./LLC does something legitimately, sells used tractor parts whatever, on Ebay, who cares. Then, after your retirement, under IRS regulations, said family member simply "gifts" you money annually from said company or the company purchases real estate with it which they later transact to you for $1. Of course it's *your* gambling money the whole time, but neatly laundered through various legitimate business opportunities. As a crew, I wouldn't fix the outcome of the games because that'd attract too much scrutiny, but I'd be interested in the prop bets and spreads. Edited November 9, 2021 by dpberr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 57 minutes ago, LittleSammy said: It won't be long until you see the gambling houses including "will an official's call determine the outcome of the game" as one of the selections in their same game parlay betting options. It doesn't already? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 Just now, dpberr said: Organized crime or hell just greedy organizations of any kind, globally, have an awful lot of people to "influence" to push the desired outcome of these games. "Hey, I see you've got three kids nearing college age...and boy, college is *so* expensive..." or "those gambling debts are piling up...shame you're behind on that mortgage because of them..." Just friends helping friends you know. If you were on the officiating crew or hell, the ENTIRE officiating crew, and you were smart, you could have a family member set up some shell corp or LLC and run your gambling for you, depositing the winnings into an account the NFL couldn't trace back to you. The Corp./LLC does something legitimately, sells used tractor parts whatever, on Ebay, who cares. Then, after your retirement, under IRS regulations, said family member simply "gifts" you money annually from said company or the company purchases real estate with it which they later transact to you for $1. Of course it's *your* gambling money the whole time, but neatly laundered through various legitimate business opportunities. As a crew, I wouldn't fix the outcome of the games because that'd attract too much scrutiny, but I'd be interested in the prop bets and spreads. The tinfoil hat association approves of this post. 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsflyer12 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 15 minutes ago, BTB said: The tinfoil hat association approves of this post. We now live in a tinfoil country. Conspiracies now don’t need to true, just enough people need to believe they are to be destructive. This narrative for the NFL will only get worse. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 (edited) 41 minutes ago, BTB said: Stop it. The games aren’t fixed. Prove it. Because there is more than enough to show it the other way. Edited November 9, 2021 by MAJBobby 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayboy54 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, BTB said: Stop it. The games aren’t fixed. I am convinced that the outcomes are heavily influenced in advance. If you don't want to call this "fixed" then fine. Edited November 9, 2021 by clayboy54 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 30 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Prove it. Because there is more than enough to show it the other way. Really? Where is the proof? Have refs been arrested or fired for fixing games? Any national reports written about this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 I don't have proof of anything but these officials don't make a lot of money and with gambling now encouraged by the league, it's not difficult to believe refs can be made some cash offers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 Are you guys under the impression that gambling on the NFL is a new thing? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 2 hours ago, Gisele said: League officials are changing the outcome of games. Congress may need to look at this. Which gambling sites do the league own? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gisele Posted November 9, 2021 Author Share Posted November 9, 2021 Sorry. Soros is a major stockholder in Draftkings. He doesn't have much influence over anything in the US. My bad. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 yikes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 The NFL, their officials and the element of advertising and gambling has been corrupted for years. It's refreshing to finally see more and more people acknowledging this reality. Advertising and gambling revenue can be steered in any direction from any game. Refs used to be better at disguising it, but seeing Corrente last night screw up may have exposed them. We've experienced more flags and bad calls this year than ever. It won't be long when gambling kiosks are available inside stadiums. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 3 hours ago, JoPoy88 said: Which gambling sites do the league own? Boom is the name of the Robert Kraft/Adam Schefter book. https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/ny-adam-schefter-robert-kraft-gambling-20210923-o5r72a27fjbjdkzhijjocdqbyi-story.html NFL approved Gambling Sites (official NFL partners): https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-announces-agreements-with-four-approved-sportsbook-operators#:~:text=NEW YORK -- The National,for the 2021 NFL season. The first 3 sites to partner: https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-announces-tri-exclusive-sports-betting-partners Plans to allow gambling inside of the stadium: The new NFL-NFLPA collective bargaining agreement takes the league through 2030 and paints a picture of a future with owners and players profiting off bets placed by gamblers at sportsbooks inside stadiums. Some of the gambling revenue split by owners and players could be based on the outcome of wagers, defined in the CBA as "the aggregate net difference between gaming wins and losses https://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/28930507/new-cba-allows-owners-players-cash-stadium-sportsbooks So the league may not own any sites but it is certainly already profiting off of the partnership, will directly make more or less money dependent on betting outcomes, and has a team owner and league mouthpiece that own a site. It really isn't difficult to see that this is a troubling development. When the team owner is the same team that has been caught cheating multiple times, it makes me uneasy to say the least. When there are literal billions of dollars at stake, I think it would be more naive to think everything is on the up and up than not. Remember it doesn't have to be league wide. It can be single official. All it takes is 1 person to be influenced to create doubt in the entire system. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, section122 said: Boom is the name of the Robert Kraft/Adam Schefter book. https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/ny-adam-schefter-robert-kraft-gambling-20210923-o5r72a27fjbjdkzhijjocdqbyi-story.html NFL approved Gambling Sites (official NFL partners): https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-announces-agreements-with-four-approved-sportsbook-operators#:~:text=NEW YORK -- The National,for the 2021 NFL season. The first 3 sites to partner: https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-announces-tri-exclusive-sports-betting-partners Plans to allow gambling inside of the stadium: The new NFL-NFLPA collective bargaining agreement takes the league through 2030 and paints a picture of a future with owners and players profiting off bets placed by gamblers at sportsbooks inside stadiums. Some of the gambling revenue split by owners and players could be based on the outcome of wagers, defined in the CBA as "the aggregate net difference between gaming wins and losses https://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/28930507/new-cba-allows-owners-players-cash-stadium-sportsbooks So the league may not own any sites but it is certainly already profiting off of the partnership, will directly make more or less money dependent on betting outcomes, and has a team owner and league mouthpiece that own a site. It really isn't difficult to see that this is a troubling development. When the team owner is the same team that has been caught cheating multiple times, it makes me uneasy to say the least. When there are literal billions of dollars at stake, I think it would be more naive to think everything is on the up and up than not. Remember it doesn't have to be league wide. It can be single official. All it takes is 1 person to be influenced to create doubt in the entire system. I get you and am aware of the NFL’s various partnerships with gambling organizations. And yes, the partnerships could in theory open up additional doors for possible fixing/other malfeasance. I was just taking issue with the title of the thread since I hadn’t heard of the league actually owning a betting site. 3 hours ago, Gisele said: Sorry. Soros is a major stockholder in Draftkings. He doesn't have much influence over anything in the US. My bad. Lol. How did we get to George Soros? Did your tinfoil hat blow away in the wind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 3 hours ago, GoBills808 said: Are you guys under the impression that gambling on the NFL is a new thing? I think it's the proliferation of online gambling sites/apps and NFL partnerships. That's certainly drawn more attention to it for me. Gambling has always been a thing, but the NFL so publicly embracing the gambling industry is a new thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 5 hours ago, Sbucholz said: As sports gambling takes a hold with the proliferation of online sites and betting options,it's just a matter of time before the integrity of sports is severely compromised. Factor in the " new" taunting rule that has been emphasized this year that nobody quite seems to understand and the environment is ripe for corruption and surprises. Honestly it’s probably already a lot worse than we all realize. But this should make it a lot worse. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 4 hours ago, clayboy54 said: I am convinced that the outcomes are heavily influenced in advance. If you don't want to call this "fixed" then fine. Predetermined has a much nicer sound to it than fixed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 3 hours ago, Gisele said: Sorry. Soros is a major stockholder in Draftkings. He doesn't have much influence over anything in the US. My bad. JFC. Soros owned about a quarter of one percent of Draftkings. And he sold all of that about a year ago. But please don’t let that stop you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 Speaking just for myself, I’ve never bought in to conspiracy theories. But Something is definitely amiss here. Officiating has always been arbitrary and suspect. But not like this entire year. I get it that holding happens every play -and it’s a perfect alibi/cover for influencing the outcome. But the level of absolute ridiculousness has reached a new apex! Seriously, in little league, there are occasions where a fan/parent is asked to help officiate and the proud parent does their level best to be fair. That’s actually BETTER than what we’re experiencing in the NFL today. When you combine this with ever improving video review capability, the lunacy ramps up another level! I’m good with stepping down on taunting though. I’m so old -How old Are you Chandler?- I remember no one doing this and not even celebrating scoring. Just drop the ball in the endzone and jog to the bench where you get a couple handshakes or ‘attaboys’ from teammates for doing what’s expected of you. This, I’d welcome the return of. But the clown show we’re witnessing each week and Every game is so atrocious, it screams of another force at play. jmo. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 This book made the rounds when it came out.. https://www.amazon.com/Interference-Organized-Influences-Professional-Football/dp/068808303X 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullim4 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 47 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: I think it's the proliferation of online gambling sites/apps and NFL partnerships. That's certainly drawn more attention to it for me. Gambling has always been a thing, but the NFL so publicly embracing the gambling industry is a new thing. This is where I'm at. The NFL is raking in millions from betting partnerships and related advertising. It's in their best interest to keep these partners happy. This is not para-mutuel betting where the operator takes a fixed commission - the profitability of these gambling partners is tied to the results of the games. Officiating in particular is shrouded in secrecy - we don't get to hear the mics, don't get to hear conversations between on-field officials and 345 Park Ave on replays. Why can't the NFL be more transparent here? There's no reason, aside from perhaps some embarrassing "Just give it to 'em" one-liners, that the NFL cannot be more transparent when it comes to officiating. It's one thing to have gambling restricted to Vegas and perhaps the Indian casinos. It's quite another to promote it via ads on TV and in the stadiums, and thus have to manage a relationship with a partner to "keep them happy". I have no idea whether games are fixed or not -- the problem is that the NFL has established next to no transparency to show they are being ethical and responsible. The average NFL fan sees poor officiating and draws the conclusion that the game's fixed. Sadly, there's little evidence to either confirm or deny that assertion, so the speculation persists. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 On 11/9/2021 at 10:13 AM, BTB said: Really? Where is the proof? Have refs been arrested or fired for fixing games? Any national reports written about this? Sure watch the Ref from Monday hip check the player then flag the player. You mean a 18B corporation cannot control the Media? See the WFT. Only casualty was the Raiders coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 No thanks to Congress looking at this issue. I remember when they “investigated” baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 I mention this all the time here, but big time soccer all over the world has had problems with fixed games and corruption from officials, etc. As to why anyone thinks the NFL would be immune to that type of thing is beyond me. I'm not saying it is fixed--I'm saying it very well could be fixed at some point and it is definitely something to keep an eye on. If and when it actually happens, I will certainly not be surprised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 The officiating has basically ruined this once great game for me. I watch the Bills as a loyal dedicated fan, but I do not watch the rest of the NFL anywhere near as passionately as I used to. I'd rather do something else than watch the NFL nowadays, which is a far cry from where I used to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 8 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Sure watch the Ref from Monday hip check the player then flag the player. You mean a 18B corporation cannot control the Media? See the WFT. Only casualty was the Raiders coach. The contact wasn't the source of that flag. He was reaching for his flag and had his hand on the flag prior to the contact with the player. The player said something to some one IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 On 11/9/2021 at 9:30 AM, GoBills808 said: Are you guys under the impression that gambling on the NFL is a new thing? Paul Tagliabue and every NFL Commissioner before him feared gambling could destroy the league. https://www.si.com/nfl/talkoffame/nfl/tagliabue-fears-gambling-threatens-nfl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 On 11/9/2021 at 8:53 AM, BTB said: Yes. That is the answer. Bring in federal government to address poor officiating. WTF. Well when you involve gambling, yes. It's fraud at the highest level possible. You'd think with gambling going mainstream right now that officials would be under intense scrutiny with no room for error, for the exact scenario above. I have no clue how this is happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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