Has NFL "ownership" of gambling sites corrupted the league

[JoPoy88]

2 hours ago, Gisele said:

League officials are changing the outcome of games.  Congress may need to look at this.  

Which gambling sites do the league own?

[Gisele]

Sorry.  Soros is a major stockholder in Draftkings.  He doesn't have much influence over anything in the US.  My bad.

[GoBills808]

yikes

[LABILLBACKER]

The NFL, their officials and the element of advertising and gambling has been corrupted for years. It's refreshing to finally see more and more people acknowledging this reality. Advertising and gambling revenue can be steered in any direction from any game. Refs used to be better at disguising it, but seeing Corrente last night screw up may have exposed them. We've experienced more flags and bad calls this year than ever. It won't be long when gambling kiosks are available inside stadiums. 

 

 

 

 

[section122]

3 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

Which gambling sites do the league own?

 

Boom is the name of the Robert Kraft/Adam Schefter book. https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/ny-adam-schefter-robert-kraft-gambling-20210923-o5r72a27fjbjdkzhijjocdqbyi-story.html

 

NFL approved Gambling Sites (official NFL partners): https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-announces-agreements-with-four-approved-sportsbook-operators#:~:text=NEW YORK -- The National,for the 2021 NFL season.

 

The first 3 sites to partner: https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-announces-tri-exclusive-sports-betting-partners

 

Plans to allow gambling inside of the stadium: The new NFL-NFLPA collective bargaining agreement takes the league through 2030 and paints a picture of a future with owners and players profiting off bets placed by gamblers at sportsbooks inside stadiums. Some of the gambling revenue split by owners and players could be based on the outcome of wagers, defined in the CBA as "the aggregate net difference between gaming wins and losses 

 

https://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/28930507/new-cba-allows-owners-players-cash-stadium-sportsbooks

 

So the league may not own any sites but it is certainly already profiting off of the partnership, will directly make more or less money dependent on betting outcomes, and has a team owner and league mouthpiece that own a site.  It really isn't difficult to see that this is a troubling development.  When the team owner is the same team that has been caught cheating multiple times, it makes me uneasy to say the least.  When there are literal billions of dollars at stake, I think it would be more naive to think everything is on the up and up than not.  Remember it doesn't have to be league wide.  It can be single official.  All it takes is 1 person to be influenced to create doubt in the entire system. 

[JoPoy88]

4 minutes ago, section122 said:

 

Boom is the name of the Robert Kraft/Adam Schefter book. https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/ny-adam-schefter-robert-kraft-gambling-20210923-o5r72a27fjbjdkzhijjocdqbyi-story.html

 

NFL approved Gambling Sites (official NFL partners): https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-announces-agreements-with-four-approved-sportsbook-operators#:~:text=NEW YORK -- The National,for the 2021 NFL season.

 

The first 3 sites to partner: https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-announces-tri-exclusive-sports-betting-partners

 

Plans to allow gambling inside of the stadium: The new NFL-NFLPA collective bargaining agreement takes the league through 2030 and paints a picture of a future with owners and players profiting off bets placed by gamblers at sportsbooks inside stadiums. Some of the gambling revenue split by owners and players could be based on the outcome of wagers, defined in the CBA as "the aggregate net difference between gaming wins and losses 

 

https://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/28930507/new-cba-allows-owners-players-cash-stadium-sportsbooks

 

So the league may not own any sites but it is certainly already profiting off of the partnership, will directly make more or less money dependent on betting outcomes, and has a team owner and league mouthpiece that own a site.  It really isn't difficult to see that this is a troubling development.  When the team owner is the same team that has been caught cheating multiple times, it makes me uneasy to say the least.  When there are literal billions of dollars at stake, I think it would be more naive to think everything is on the up and up than not.  Remember it doesn't have to be league wide.  It can be single official.  All it takes is 1 person to be influenced to create doubt in the entire system. 

I get you and am aware of the NFL’s various partnerships with gambling organizations. And yes, the partnerships could in theory open up additional doors for possible fixing/other malfeasance. I was just taking issue with the title of the thread since I hadn’t heard of the league actually owning a betting site.

3 hours ago, Gisele said:

Sorry.  Soros is a major stockholder in Draftkings.  He doesn't have much influence over anything in the US.  My bad.

Lol. How did we get to George Soros? Did your tinfoil hat blow away in the wind?

[LeGOATski]

3 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

Are you guys under the impression that gambling on the NFL is a new thing?

I think it's the proliferation of online gambling sites/apps and NFL partnerships. 

 

That's certainly drawn more attention to it for me.

 

Gambling has always been a thing, but the NFL so publicly embracing the gambling industry is a new thing.

[BarleyNY]

5 hours ago, Sbucholz said:

As sports gambling takes a hold with the proliferation of online sites and betting options,it's just a matter of time before the integrity of sports is severely compromised. Factor in the " new" taunting rule that has been emphasized this year that nobody quite seems to understand and the environment is ripe for corruption and surprises.

Honestly it’s probably already a lot worse than we all realize.  But this should make it a lot worse. 

[frostbitmic]

4 hours ago, clayboy54 said:

I am convinced that the outcomes are heavily influenced in advance. If you don't want to call this "fixed" then fine.

Predetermined has a much nicer sound to it than fixed.

[BarleyNY]

3 hours ago, Gisele said:

Sorry.  Soros is a major stockholder in Draftkings.  He doesn't have much influence over anything in the US.  My bad.

JFC.  Soros owned about a quarter of one percent of Draftkings.  And he sold all of that about a year ago.  But please don’t let that stop you. 

[Chandler#81]

Speaking just for myself, I’ve never bought in to conspiracy theories. But Something is definitely amiss here. Officiating has always been arbitrary and suspect. But not like this entire year. I get it that holding happens every play -and it’s a perfect alibi/cover for influencing the outcome. But the level of absolute ridiculousness has reached a new apex! Seriously, in little league, there are occasions where a fan/parent is asked to help officiate and the proud parent does their level best to be fair. That’s actually BETTER than what we’re experiencing in the NFL today. When you combine this with ever improving video review capability, the lunacy ramps up another level!

 

I’m good with stepping down on taunting though. I’m so old -How old Are you Chandler?- I remember no one doing this and not even celebrating scoring. Just drop the ball in the endzone and jog to the bench where you get a couple handshakes or ‘attaboys’ from teammates for doing what’s expected of you. This, I’d welcome the return of. But the clown show we’re witnessing each week and Every game is so atrocious, it screams of another force at play.

 

jmo.

[TPS]

This book made the rounds when it came out..

https://www.amazon.com/Interference-Organized-Influences-Professional-Football/dp/068808303X

 

[sullim4]

47 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

I think it's the proliferation of online gambling sites/apps and NFL partnerships. 

 

That's certainly drawn more attention to it for me.

 

Gambling has always been a thing, but the NFL so publicly embracing the gambling industry is a new thing.

 

This is where I'm at.

 

The NFL is raking in millions from betting partnerships and related advertising.  It's in their best interest to keep these partners happy.  This is not para-mutuel betting where the operator takes a fixed commission - the profitability of these gambling partners is tied to the results of the games.

 

Officiating in particular is shrouded in secrecy - we don't get to hear the mics, don't get to hear conversations between on-field officials and 345 Park Ave on replays.  Why can't the NFL be more transparent here?  There's no reason, aside from perhaps some embarrassing "Just give it to 'em" one-liners, that the NFL cannot be more transparent when it comes to officiating.

 

It's one thing to have gambling restricted to Vegas and perhaps the Indian casinos.  It's quite another to promote it via ads on TV and in the stadiums, and thus have to manage a relationship with a partner to "keep them happy".

 

I have no idea whether games are fixed or not -- the problem is that the NFL has established next to no transparency to show they are being ethical and responsible.  The average NFL fan sees poor officiating and draws the conclusion that the game's fixed.  Sadly, there's little evidence to either confirm or deny that assertion, so the speculation persists.

[MAJBobby]

On 11/9/2021 at 10:13 AM, BTB said:

Really? Where is the proof?  Have refs been arrested or fired for fixing games? Any national reports written about this?   

Sure watch the Ref from Monday hip check the player then flag the player. You mean a 18B corporation cannot control the Media?  See the WFT. Only casualty was the Raiders coach. 

[SirAndrew]

No thanks to Congress looking at this issue. I remember when they “investigated” baseball. 

[Nextmanup]

I mention this all the time here, but big time soccer all over the world has had problems with fixed games and corruption from officials, etc.

 

As to why anyone thinks the NFL would be immune to that type of thing is beyond me.

 

I'm not saying it is fixed--I'm saying it very well could be fixed at some point and it is definitely something to keep an eye on.

 

If and when it actually happens, I will certainly not be surprised.

 

 

[njbuff]

The officiating has basically ruined this once great game for me.

 

I watch the Bills as a loyal dedicated fan, but I do not watch the rest of the NFL anywhere near as passionately as I used to.

 

I'd rather do something else than watch the NFL nowadays, which is a far cry from where I used to be. 

[Nextmanup]

8 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Sure watch the Ref from Monday hip check the player then flag the player. You mean a 18B corporation cannot control the Media?  See the WFT. Only casualty was the Raiders coach. 

The contact wasn't the source of that flag.  He was reaching for his flag and had his hand on the flag prior to the contact with the player.  The player said something to some one IMO.

 

 

[Motorin']

On 11/9/2021 at 9:30 AM, GoBills808 said:

Are you guys under the impression that gambling on the NFL is a new thing?

 

Paul Tagliabue and every NFL Commissioner before him feared gambling could destroy the league. 

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/talkoffame/nfl/tagliabue-fears-gambling-threatens-nfl

[BillsShredder83]

On 11/9/2021 at 8:53 AM, BTB said:

Yes. That is the answer.  Bring in federal government to address poor officiating. WTF.  

Well when you involve gambling, yes. It's fraud at the highest level possible.

 

You'd think with gambling going mainstream right now that officials would be under intense scrutiny with no room for error, for the exact scenario above. I have no clue how this is happening.