since79 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 On a clear challenge in the first half, he holds the flag and calls a time out. Maybe to give his guys a look or hopes the Refs take another look. After the time out, no challenge. If your wasting a time out there throw the flag.You lose, you lose a time out, same outcome. Later on D we take a time out and the announcers are shocked. Gave the refs a chance to look at a judgment call. Get the ball back with little time in the half. Boy could we have used the time outs. He has no problem calling defensive timeouts. Very predictable that he will do it and may times the other team converts as a result. If someone can look into this i would like to know our success rate in stopping a team after a defensive time out. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 1 minute ago, since79 said: On a clear challenge in the first half, he holds the flag and calls a time out. Maybe to give his guys a look or hopes the Refs take another look. After the time out, no challenge. If your wasting a time out there throw the flag.You lose, you lose a time out, same outcome. Later on D we take a time out and the announcers are shocked. Gave the refs a chance to look at a judgment call. Get the ball back with little time in the half. Boy could we have used the time outs. He has no problem calling defensive timeouts. Very predictable that he will do it and may times the other team converts as a result. If someone can look into this i would like to know our success rate in stopping a team after a defensive time out. Not completely the same as if you don't win the challenge, you lose one that could be used later. Having said that, do agree if you're going to call the TO may as well throw the flag, but do lose something. Was it the Bills maybe 10 years ago, similar situation, team called a TO, then threw the flag and challenged. Lost the challenge, so now lost two TO's plus a challenge attempt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 I thought you were going to say his inability to address the running game or Oline for the past 2 years........oh, and his misuse of TO's suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Not accepting that holding penalty to take them out of field goal range was odd. I understand the percentages that the kicker won't make it but put some faith in your pass defense to make sure. 3 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
since79 Posted November 7, 2021 Author Share Posted November 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Sweats said: I thought you were going to say his inability to address the running game or Oline for the past 2 years........oh, and his misuse of TO's suck. That would be on Bean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 He sucks 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan1 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Spot on. McDermott is shaky on game day, but the Media loves him so he gets a pass.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Not taking the holding penalty was moronic imo. so was taking a timeout, and not challenging. mcDermott has blown many challenges this year! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan1 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 yes the here kick a field goal i dont care was not smart. back em up and trust your defense. cmon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 20 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: He sucks Ah yes this evergreen post after a loss. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan1 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 a loss to the worst team in football. you left that part out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
since79 Posted November 7, 2021 Author Share Posted November 7, 2021 1 minute ago, ScottLaw said: He’s too defensive centric…. Everything about this team is….. The investment in the defensive line is just ridiculous…. Not enough to help the offense. That’s part of my point. Has no problem calling defensive timeouts. Yet tentative with an offensive challenge. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 31 minutes ago, since79 said: On a clear challenge in the first half, he holds the flag and calls a time out. Maybe to give his guys a look or hopes the Refs take another look. After the time out, no challenge. If your wasting a time out there throw the flag.You lose, you lose a time out, same outcome. Later on D we take a time out and the announcers are shocked. Gave the refs a chance to look at a judgment call. Get the ball back with little time in the half. Boy could we have used the time outs. He has no problem calling defensive timeouts. Very predictable that he will do it and may times the other team converts as a result. If someone can look into this i would like to know our success rate in stopping a team after a defensive time out. At the end of the day the Bills defense gave up 9 points against a terrible defense. Timeouts on defense are the least of this teams issues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 McD was out coached by Urban Meyer. LMAO 1 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 Quote There's two kinds of coaches, them that's fired and them that's gonna be fired. - Bum Phillips Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 The run up to the line and try to draw them Offside on 3rd-short is getting old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 18 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: He sucks Sarcasm? Or do you REALLY think that he sucks? he surely sucked yesterday. He does not suck as an nfl coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 17 hours ago, ScottLaw said: He’s too defensive centric…. Everything about this team is….. The investment in the defensive line is just ridiculous…. Not enough to help the offense. Well I think something that is clear is we need a physical mismatch on the outside. We are back to the smurf Wide Receivers who can't separate. WGR talks about the deep ball, we haven't had a deep ball since 2018 with Robert Foster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsflyer12 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, NewEra said: Sarcasm? Or do you REALLY think that he sucks? he surely sucked yesterday. He does not suck as an nfl coach. Can we say he may be overrated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 1 minute ago, Billsflyer12 said: Can we say he may be overrated? No. He didn't have a great day yesterday, you can say that. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 18 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: He sucks 3 playoff appearances in 4 years say otherwise. Beane and McDermott aren't going anywhere anytime soon. Besides do you trust the Pegula's to find a better GM/HC? You see what they have done with the Sabres the last 10 years or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 Can you clarify the defensive timeout statement? Are you saying the other team often converts after McDermott's defensive timeout, and then in your next sentence ask someone to look up whether teams often convert after McDermott's defensive timeouts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 18 hours ago, ScottLaw said: He’s too defensive centric…. Everything about this team is….. The investment in the defensive line is just ridiculous…. Not enough to help the offense. Yep he went overboard not addressing O Line till round 3. We had to let go Darryl Johnson because we had so many D lineman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 1 minute ago, Billsflyer12 said: Can we say he may be overrated? I don’t think he’s overrated. I think he’s a very good coach and is still learning how to become a better coach. I thought yesterday was one of his worst performances, if not his worst. I put the regression of our offense on our OL (or lack thereof) and Daboll. When our opponent (with a terrible D) sells out to stop the pass for an entire game, our OC has to figure out a way to score more than 6 points. I don’t put that on McD. I put that on Daboll and Beane. Penalties and dropped passes were untimely to say the least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 18 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Not accepting that holding penalty to take them out of field goal range was odd. I understand the percentages that the kicker won't make it but put some faith in your pass defense to make sure. To me, at that point in the game I had zero issue with that call. I think it had less to do with being confident in the defense and more about what was happening in the game at that time. There were phantom calls being made on players not even suited up. Yellow flags everywhere. So you move them back and then what? Phantom hands to the face? Pass interference? Unsportsmanlike conduct? Either way auto 1st down and drive stays alive. Or, force a rookie kicker to try a very long FG. This same guy went on to miss 3 straight kicks from the same basic area on 1 play (with penalties sprinkled in...shocker). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 The TO & no challenge I didn't get. That was a clear catch was it not? What was I missing there? As for running up to the line on 3rd & short, Brady seemed to always run the play, especially if a qb sneak. Should have done that (and certainly vs. Tennessee too), forget scanning the the field. They needed a foot and if snapped immediately to Allen he would have gotten it that game. Add to that their red-zone (inside the 5 has been awful). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 I was screaming at my TV when he called his first timeout in the 4th quarter on 4th and forever. It was obvious you would need that timeout if you didn’t get the 4th down (which was extremely likely). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 21 hours ago, since79 said: On a clear challenge in the first half, he holds the flag and calls a time out. Maybe to give his guys a look or hopes the Refs take another look. After the time out, no challenge. If your wasting a time out there throw the flag.You lose, you lose a time out, same outcome. Later on D we take a time out and the announcers are shocked. Gave the refs a chance to look at a judgment call. Get the ball back with little time in the half. Boy could we have used the time outs. He has no problem calling defensive timeouts. Very predictable that he will do it and may times the other team converts as a result. If someone can look into this i would like to know our success rate in stopping a team after a defensive time out. He usually does it to see how the O sets up and make them go to a different set or play. It does seem they convert an awfully lot after timeouts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 21 hours ago, since79 said: On a clear challenge in the first half, he holds the flag and calls a time out. Maybe to give his guys a look or hopes the Refs take another look. After the time out, no challenge. If your wasting a time out there throw the flag.You lose, you lose a time out, same outcome. Later on D we take a time out and the announcers are shocked. Gave the refs a chance to look at a judgment call. Get the ball back with little time in the half. Boy could we have used the time outs. He has no problem calling defensive timeouts. Very predictable that he will do it and may times the other team converts as a result. If someone can look into this i would like to know our success rate in stopping a team after a defensive time out. All I could find was a study on 4th down success after a timeout. The summary of the project: when it comes to all fourth downs overall, there is no evidence that calling a timeout helps the offense in a statistically significant manner. footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2019/timeouts-and-fourth-downs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 20 hours ago, MAJBobby said: McD was out coached by Urban Meyer. LMAO Yup, that's really the big takeaway here. Urban Meyer is Rex Ryan without the charm. McD does not get a pass. I'm starting to think he;s a better coach at getting to .500 with a lousy team than getting to .750 with good one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 20 hours ago, ScottLaw said: He’s too defensive centric…. Everything about this team is….. The investment in the defensive line is just ridiculous…. Not enough to help the offense. This team was built to beat the Chefs, and our biggest problem there was lack of a pass rush. So that got fixed and this D is Lights Out. Next year OL will be #1 priority. Who knew that KC would suck out loud this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 Left a lot to be desired. One of his poorest games since he got here, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 Before that 4th and 16, did we call a timeout - and if we did, did we have 3 at the time? I was at the game and can't remember exactly what went on there. If so, why? I understand the 4th and 16 is big, but you made it so the game hinged on a 4th and 16. Otherwise we can force a stop, punt and then have 50 seconds with no timeouts to get into FG range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jukester Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 The guy is a good coach but on game days, he’s always been suspect with use of timeouts and calling challenges . This year he has added declining a lot of penalties to stay in 3rd/4th down instead of pushing teams back further, which has been really odd and frustrating Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 6 minutes ago, SCBills said: I was at the game My condolences. To the point of this thread: McD had a lousy, no-good, terrible, awful day. He was bad. Daboll was bad. Nobody on offense looked prepared. It was a complete "throw the film in the trash" sort of affair. McD needs to be better and I'm guessing he knows that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
since79 Posted November 8, 2021 Author Share Posted November 8, 2021 3 hours ago, GoBills808 said: Can you clarify the defensive timeout statement? Are you saying the other team often converts after McDermott's defensive timeout, and then in your next sentence ask someone to look up whether teams often convert after McDermott's defensive timeouts? In this game the circumstance was Jax 3rd and 7 with 1:51 on clock. We call a time out, and Jax converts a 28yrd prayer for a first down. My question was, to get a success stat would be enlightening. It seems that this may backfire equally as much as it is successful. I guess I will have to go through game logs to quantify. Just figured others may have already thought of this or may have easier access. Thanks for asking. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsflyer12 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 McD seems to have regressed as a coach. Is he a better coach now then he was 2-3 years ago, hell even a year ago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr Almighty Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 22 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Not accepting that holding penalty to take them out of field goal range was odd. I understand the percentages that the kicker won't make it but put some faith in your pass defense to make sure. This bothered me too at the time and as it turns out, it could of been the difference in the game, if the D gets them to punt or turn it over 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fasteddie Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 On 11/7/2021 at 6:03 PM, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Not completely the same as if you don't win the challenge, you lose one that could be used later. Having said that, do agree if you're going to call the TO may as well throw the flag, but do lose something. Was it the Bills maybe 10 years ago, similar situation, team called a TO, then threw the flag and challenged. Lost the challenge, so now lost two TO's plus a challenge attempt. I do remember it happening. I was thinking it was Marrone, but there is a long list of idiots that could have done that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 On 11/7/2021 at 4:26 PM, ScottLaw said: He’s too defensive centric…. Everything about this team is….. The investment in the defensive line is just ridiculous…. Not enough to help the offense. Did you watch any games last season? Pretty much all offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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