starrymessenger Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Billsfan1972 said: You're not allowed to state that (or maybe just I'm not). Teef where are you to complain about this one?????? I think its just you. Teef? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Billsfan1972 said: As I've said the Bills offense just looks a little off. Early on many wanted to claim Diggs #'s were down due to Sanders arrival, but that is not the case. Elite receivers get their touches passes and catches every week & seldom a drop off, but Diggs' #'s are way down. 2020 7.94 catches/game 95.94 yards/gm 7 100 yard games 2021 6 cathces/gm 71.87 yards/gm 1 100 yard game. Kupp, Lamb, Adams & others are all doing well. Only Hopkins (slightly injured) seems to have seen their #'s down this season. Want to see Diggs putting up 2020 #'s soon..... No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 (edited) When the dreaded R word (regression) was discussed in the offseason, some misunderstood it. Specifically, statistical regression is not necessarily a bad thing. While it can mean a downturn in statistical production for a given player, it can be a GOOD thing for the offense as a whole. Diggs is the perfect example. Statistically, he has not been as productive this season as he was last season. HOWEVER, Emmanuel Sanders presents a giant upgrade so far over what John Brown was last year. A big chunk of Diggs' targets and catches are going to Sanders. This is a good thing for the offense as a whole. Besides, Diggs is on pace for about 90 catches and 1100 yards. A downturn from last year? Sure. Still a very good season for a WR? Absolutely. Edited November 2, 2021 by Logic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 (edited) No. /Thread Edited November 2, 2021 by Big Turk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted November 2, 2021 Author Share Posted November 2, 2021 6 minutes ago, Logic said: When the dreaded R word (regression) was discussed in the offseason, some misunderstood it. Specifically, statistical regression is not necessarily a bad thing. While it can mean a downturn in statistical production for a given player, it can be a GOOD thing for the offense as a whole. Diggs is the perfect example. Statistically, he has not been as productive this season as he was last season. HOWEVER, Emmanuel Sanders presents a giant upgrade so far over what John Brown was last year. A big chunk of Diggs' targets and catches are going to Sanders. This is a good thing for the offense as a whole. Besides, Diggs is on pace for about 90 catches and 1100 yards. A downturn from last year? Sure. Still a very good season for a WR? Absolutely. Brown was injured half the season, but their #'s were pretty much the exact same. And yes I like Sanders. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 I mean Stef is probably not going to lead the league in catches and yards this season but even at this pace he is going to have over 100 catches and over 1100 yards. It is hardly time to panic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted November 2, 2021 Author Share Posted November 2, 2021 Just now, GunnerBill said: I mean Stef is probably not going to lead the league in catches and yards this season but even at this pace he is going to have over 100 catches and over 1100 yards. It is hardly time to panic. Not panicking, was throwing (yes a pun) something out there, as he has like the offense just looked off (as I've stated)...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Billsfan1972 said: Not panicking, was throwing (yes a pun) something out there, as he has like the offense just looked off (as I've stated)...... WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? Until you explain that, all you're doing it meaningless bitching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 Diggs might have lesser numbers but part of that is Sanders playing well. The offense is #1 in points per game right now and Diggs is doing well, just not dominant. Not a worry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said: I do not do Fantasy.... Stating an OPINION.... Top receivers have not seen production drop & Diggs' #'s down 25%.... #'s don't lie. Well you know what they say about opinions Here are the plain BOLD facts 2020 passing yards for the Bills after 7 games 1958 yards(addition error) 2021 passing yards after 7 games 1934 yards https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2020.htm So even though there was an error in addition the Bills are still in relatively the same position despite #14's drop in production Edited November 2, 2021 by JMF2006 addition error I think I missed one of the 274 yd games 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 As stated before, teams are blanketing Diggs. That's freeing up other targets. That, and our offensive line (which I'm starting to dub "The Turnstyle") isn't allowing enough time for Diggs to break free. Numbers are just numbers. Gotta dig deeper to find the reasons. The more interesting narrative is that despite lower numbers Diggs isn't bringing the drama, as many Vikings fans asserted he would. He's bought into The Process. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted November 2, 2021 Author Share Posted November 2, 2021 50 minutes ago, JMF2006 said: Well you know what they say about opinions Here are the plain BOLD facts 2020 passing yards for the Bills after 7 games 1684yards 2021 passing yards after 7 games 1934 yards https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2020.htm At least get it right..... 1958 in 2020 after 7 (included a putrid 122 vs. KC)..... So yep they're way behind 2020😜 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 2 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said: As I've said the Bills offense just looks a little off. Early on many wanted to claim Diggs #'s were down due to Sanders arrival, but that is not the case. Elite receivers get their touches passes and catches every week & seldom a drop off, but Diggs' #'s are way down. 2020 7.94 catches/game 95.94 yards/gm 7 100 yard games 2021 6 cathces/gm 71.87 yards/gm 1 100 yard game. Kupp, Lamb, Adams & others are all doing well. Only Hopkins (slightly injured) seems to have seen their #'s down this season. Want to see Diggs putting up 2020 #'s soon..... I literally said this would happen to him and Beasley prior to the season starting. We have too many weapons now, especially with the emergence of Knox. Last year, with Browns injury and Davis a rookie, Allen leaned heavily on Cole and Diggs, especially Diggs. This year, just too many mouths to feed. So no, nothing to see here, it was absolutely inevitable and expected based on the loaded offense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TampaBillsJunkie Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 2 hours ago, BrownNgold said: What round did you draft him in your fantasy league? #2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 3 hours ago, nucci said: No, it's not an issue I endorse this message 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 If you want to make it an issue I’m sure you can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 We might have three 1000 yard WRs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 2 / 3 weeks ago Beasleys #’s we’re down Then look what happened!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl2526 Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 No, I don't think it is an issue. I think it is a combination of the Bills getting more production from Knox, getting more production from Sanders than Brown last season, and also defenses perhaps focusing on taking Diggs away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharky7337 Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 I think the biggest part of it, is if Diggs will remain happy to stay with lower numbers and money potentially. That's the biggest concern I have. I felt like we had a more consistent offense last year when he was more involved, at least in that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 NO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 2 hours ago, JMF2006 said: Well you know what they say about opinions Here are the plain BOLD facts 2020 passing yards for the Bills after 7 games 1684yards 2021 passing yards after 7 games 1934 yards https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2020.htm The Bills have also scored 58 more points through 7 games this season. Not seeing a "problem." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted November 2, 2021 Author Share Posted November 2, 2021 8 minutes ago, Motorin' said: The Bills have also scored 58 more points through 7 games this season. Not seeing a "problem." But the stat posted about passing yards was wrong..... Again was asking about Diggs as his #'s down 25%..... You tell me if 25% is a large decline? To me it is and thus the question. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 It's a long season, and we said the same about Beasley. Eventually we'll need everyone to contribute, and once January comes we need guys fresh and healthy for the stretch run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Billsfan1972 said: But the stat posted about passing yards was wrong..... Again was asking about Diggs as his #'s down 25%..... You tell me if 25% is a large decline? To me it is and thus the question. The Bills are scoring over 8 points more per game this year by spreading the ball around. Last time I checked, the receiving yards of your #1 wr doesn't win games. You are demanding people accept there is a problem. What is your solution? Force the ball to Diggs in double coverage more and stop throwing to the open receiver? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 Overall not a problem. I do wonder if we could get more efficiency with the Gold (rip and liz) calls for WR screens. Miami played a LOT of cover 0 and we used WR screen to counter. It was ok. However at least a couple times (from the Cover 1 breakdown) when we went to beasley on one side, diggs was on the other alone and getting cushion (as you would expect). This is what happened on the TD to Diggs. Middle field open in a cover 0 look and we went his way. I wonder if we could drop the WR screen and throw to Diggs whos gets cushion on the other side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 4 hours ago, thenorthremembers said: Getting a lot more from the Tight End and Number 2 wideout position this year. Its a good thing that we spread the ball around. End the thread. This post sums it up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 After a 127 catch year, defensive coaches are focusing more on taking away Diggs. How dare them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted November 2, 2021 Author Share Posted November 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: After a 127 catch year, defensive coaches are focusing more on taking away Diggs. How dare them. And they too focus on Adams, Kupp & others..... There are 21 receivers ahead of Diggs..... I'm sure he's happy about that. His production is down 25%, another thing I'm sure warms his heart. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 (edited) Diggs is still on pace for 1,200 yards. I'm just not concerned. the team is still winning convincingly. We just have room for improvement... and that's a good thing. Edited November 2, 2021 by transplantbillsfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 52 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: But the stat posted about passing yards was wrong..... Again was asking about Diggs as his #'s down 25%..... You tell me if 25% is a large decline? To me it is and thus the question. 26 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: And they too focus on Adams, Kupp & others..... There are 21 receivers ahead of Diggs..... I'm sure he's happy about that. His production is down 25%, another thing I'm sure warms his heart. All you keep harping on is this 25% number and clearly don't care about context. You have still yet to explain what your point is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 29 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: And they too focus on Adams, Kupp & others..... There are 21 receivers ahead of Diggs..... I'm sure he's happy about that. His production is down 25%, another thing I'm sure warms his heart. balh bhal blah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 20 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: And they too focus on Adams, Kupp & others..... There are 21 receivers ahead of Diggs..... I'm sure he's happy about that. His production is down 25%, another thing I'm sure warms his heart. Diggs had the 6th most receptions in NFL HISTORY. His decrease is because his number was so high the year before. Davante Adams had 18 TD receptions last year. He currently has 3 which is significantly more than a 25% decrease. Do you think there's a guy on the Packers forum saying "Adams TD numbers way down...is this an issue?" I don't. I don't think there's another person on the planet that thinks like you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 The offense isn't a surprise anymore. The ball is being more spread around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibum Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 (edited) Sanders took catches away from everyone. They're still a top 5 WR group in the league. Nothing to see here, only problem is maybe they could have spent Sanders' money and roster spot on a competent Guard instead, and still had a great WR group. Allen will have to figure out how to get Sanders, Diggs, and Beasley each 100 YPG if everyone is going to look great on paper this year. Edited November 2, 2021 by skibum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 5 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said: I do not do Fantasy.... Stating an OPINION.... Top receivers have not seen production drop & Diggs' #'s down 25%.... #'s don't lie. Put a top receiver from one team on a team with another top receiver and see if one or both of their production dips. Thats essentially what happened here. Im not saying we have two #1s but we have a big room of very good targets. There is only one ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 1972 is the guy when he sees a toothpaste commercial and it says “4 out 5 dentists recommended Colgate Total”… He starts thinking “why do people use anything else???? 80% of the dentists recommended it!” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted November 2, 2021 Author Share Posted November 2, 2021 19 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Diggs had the 6th most receptions in NFL HISTORY. His decrease is because his number was so high the year before. Davante Adams had 18 TD receptions last year. He currently has 3 which is significantly more than a 25% decrease. Do you think there's a guy on the Packers forum saying "Adams TD numbers way down...is this an issue?" I don't. I don't think there's another person on the planet that thinks like you. Adams #'s catches and yards are up. Again a stupid comment. But yep TDs are down, so you got me. If GB wasn't scoring in the red zone and Adams not targetted it would be an issue. Anyone here happy when touches and yards down 25%? Hope #'s improve as they are down no it's ands or buts..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: Adams #'s catches and yards are up. Again a stupid comment. But yep TDs are down, so you got me. If GB wasn't scoring in the red zone and Adams not targetted it would be an issue. Anyone here happy when touches and yards down 25%? Hope #'s improve as they are down no it's ands or buts..... What is your solution? Force the ball to Diggs? Double Josh's passing attempts? As explained to you by multiple people, there are more targets for the ball this year but still only one ball. The offense has evolved to not have to rely solely on one receiver. Josh is on pace for the same passing yards he had last season (yes over 16 games not 17). He is also on pace for 38 passing TDs. Last season was 37. The obvious answer is the ball is being more spread around. Diggs 25% down in numbers works out to about 25 yards per game. Its 2 catches per game. Someone else is getting those 2 catches. Its that simple. I don't see this huge problem you are bringing up. Edited November 2, 2021 by Scott7975 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 4 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: 127 catches a season should be the floor for Diggs. it's a common baseline among wrs. 4 hours ago, starrymessenger said: I think its just you. Teef? actually, i like it when he posts. i feel we've just taking our first step into the gold mine that is the head of billsfan1972. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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